Can I use my XP Pro on a new PC?

[kurttrail]

Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean
to say MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.

Alias

Or you could call up and say that you upgraded hardware components. MS
has no right to know what hardware components were upgraded.

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[Steve N.]

I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?

John

Yes you can, but save yourself some money and order the PC with no OS
installed.

Steve

 

[John]

I ran into a problem with my notebook and the OEM XP Home.

When I bought my notebook did I buy the OEM XP Home?
If I did infact pay for it Shouldn't I have been given the XP Home Setup.exe
that recognizes my serial number?

I tried to make a Slipstream CD of XP Home and the SP2 and you need the XP
Home Setup.exe to do it.
I tried to use the XP Pro Setup.exe , and I also borrowed a XP Home
Setup.exe, neither would work because my serial number is different.

If I own the OEM of XP Home for my notebook why can't I have a Setup.exe
that recognizes my serial number?
I want the Setup.exe so I can do a clean install.

John

 

[Patti MacLeod]

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You are full of it. Just like saying there might be leprechans, would
be full of it!

Says you. Those who actually DO believe that there ARE leprechans aren't
full of it.......they may be mistaken......but they're not "full of it".
Being "full of it" implies that one is making a conscious effort to mislead.

And a meteor that will kill all life *MAY* drop on the earth in the next
24 hours.

Talk about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY.

As I don't know the PROBABILITY of that occurring, I can only speak of the
POSSIBILITY of it occuring (if I so chose to speak about meteors that will
kill all life). But I thank you for dictating the terms under which I may
phrase what it is that I choose to say. LOL.

There is a possibility that I may be the devil, but the probability is
not all that likely.

LOL!!!!! I guess that would depend upon whom you asked.

Although I do find this discourse vaguely amusing, I realize that it's not
really helping the op with his oq, so I shall move on.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Not true.

Why? Your following sentence indicates that you agree with what I said.

I believe that using what one paid for and using it
for what it was designed for is honest.

As do I. I'm not arguing that, at all. The product that has been
"bought and paid for" is a *license* to use the software in accordance
with the terms specified by the owner of the copyright to the product
(In this particular case, the "design" means only on the first computer
on which the OEM license was installed). I'm glad to see you've finally
seen the obvious.

But not saying what those terms are is *dishonest*. You have to open it to
read it and you are not entitled to a refund if you open it.

That's a patently absurd assertion. The full terms of the license
don't need to be on the outside of the box. Haven't you ever purchased
an automobile? Were the full terms and conditions of the warranty
printed on the hood? Were you even offered a printed paper copy to read
before making the purchase? Haven't you ever been prescribed medicine?
Were all of the possible side-affects and interactions with other
drugs printed on the container? Or was there perhaps a paper insert
inside the container that you discarded without reading? Did your
doctor or pharmacist ensure that you'd read the information before
handing you the drug?

Um, it is not a requirement to search the net for an EULA to buy software.

Any responsible consumer will do the necessary amount of product
research -- no matter what the product, no matter what the type or
medium of research -- to ensure that the product he/she is considering
meets all of his/her needs, and that it can be used in the manner the
purchaser intends.

I have yet to have a store clerk ask me if I read and agreed to
the EULA before he or she would sell it to me.

Is the store clerk your mommy or daddy? If not, maybe you'd better
take along adult supervision the next time you go shopping. If you've
been emancipated from your parents' care, then *YOU*, and only you, are
fully responsible for the consequences of your purchasing decisions.
You really haven't had much exposure to real life, have you? If you
had, you wouldn't insist on having your hand held.

Insisting that people seach the unsearchable MS data base is
unreasonable and supercilious on your part.

Ah, the old straw man fallacy. If the alleged "unsearchable MS data
base" truly were unsearchable, you might have a point. However, the
Microsoft Knowledge base is unsearchable only if one has no access to an
Internet connection. Try going to the obvious starting point,
http://www.microsoft.com, and typing "eula" in the search window.
You'll immediately get at least 100 hits, with the top 5 links directly
pertaining to the question. However, in discussing an OEM license, the
point isn't even relevant. Admittedly, finding the terms of an OEM
license is more difficult. Take the matter up with each individual OEM,
who are all beyond Microsoft's direct control. Thus, it falls back upon
the consumer to take responsibility for his/her own actions and ask the
right questions at the point of sale.

You state it as though it is tecnically impossible and that, my friend, is a
lie and *dishonest*.

I said no such thing. But continue with your self-delusion, if you like.

Um, there you go again with the "thief" nonsense.

What? Was the example too complicated for you?

I paid for the software.

No, you paid for a *license* to use the software under very specific
conditions. You know this. Name one piece of commercial software
manufacturer/vendor that doesn't sell *only* a license to use the
software product. For that matter, name a Linux distro or other "open
source" software product that isn't accompanied by a license.

I
can do what I want with it. The fact that I may be breaching the EULA is not
theft.

Nor did I say it was theft. You really must work on your reading
comprehension. Breaching the EULA is a contract violation, not normally
theft. (Although, come to think of it, it may be that someone's
intentionally buying a software license with the premeditated intent of
violating its license terms might be considered "theft by fraud" in some
jurisdictions. Interesting thought....)

Installing it on another computer is fair use,

Not under the copyright laws of the United States, but I'll concede the
possibility in other countries. "Fair use" is a very narrowly defined
term in American copyright law, and that definition certainly can't be
stretched to cover your claims.




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[Alias]

When you're ready to respond to my post without snipping the hell out of it,
let me know.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Responses posted inline.




Says you. Those who actually DO believe that there ARE leprechans
aren't full of it.......they may be mistaken......but they're not
"full of it". Being "full of it" implies that one is making a
conscious effort to mislead.

LOL! You are fight about leprechan-believers. But I believe did make a
conscious effort to mislead.

As I don't know the PROBABILITY of that occurring, I can only speak
of the POSSIBILITY of it occuring (if I so chose to speak about
meteors that will kill all life). But I thank you for dictating the
terms under which I may phrase what it is that I choose to say. LOL.

Don't know the probability, then you are just bullsh*tting.

LOL!!!!! I guess that would depend upon whom you asked.

Although I do find this discourse vaguely amusing, I realize that
it's not really helping the op with his oq, so I shall move on.

And your misleading words about that MS may know stuff that it says it
can't wasn't really of any help to the OP, but just a lame way to use
FUD to confuse the OP.

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[kurttrail]

When you're ready to respond to my post without snipping the hell out
of it, let me know.

How would he be able to distort your meaning, if he didn't snip you to
hell?

It is the trademark of all the EULA Uber Alles crowd.

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[Patti MacLeod]

Hi John,

Different OEM's provide different recovery "solutions" with the computer
that you purchase. Dell, for instance (and I'm strictly speaking about
Desktop units here, I'm not certain if the same applies to their Notebooks),
supplies an install CD for XP that is very similar, if not identical, to the
retail install CD. Dell's Recovery/Restore/Install (as I don't know exactly
what Dell names it) CD might be able to be used to slipstream SP2 with XP
Home. Compaq computers shipped with XP (and, once again, I'm strictly
speaking about Desktop units........I do not have nor do I work much with
Notebooks) have a Recovery partition on the hard drive (a Recovery CD can be
made by following the instructions in the User Manual)......I believe that
the Recovery partition is a compressed image of the hard drive, and not
similar to a retail install CD. I doubt that one can use Compaq's Recovery
CD that one made in order to slipstream SP2 with XP Home. If you have an
issue with your OEM computer and its OEM operating system, you should
contact the OEM to see if they can resolve that issue.



Regards,

 

[Alias]

How would he be able to distort your meaning, if he didn't snip you to
hell?

It is the trademark of all the EULA Uber Alles crowd.

Why am I not surprised?

Alias

 

[Al Smith]

That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?

How do they know I did it?

They watch, they listen. They know everything.

 

[Winux P]

It's not up to MS John, its' up to you. MS won't charge you, they will not
even know and they don't need to. There are no problems with product
activation or with genuine windows checking system if the same copy of
Windows XP is on different computers, even if there on the same network. No
need to be god or law fearing when it comes to MS's EULA. You don't have to
agree to it and install it. Legal ambiguities spawn from legal
interpretations not necessarily perceived legal breeches. After all if the
worst case scenario occurs, i.e. You're before a magistrate at MSs' behest,
just remember who activated the product for you, and as far as you're
concerned they knew all the details.

In terms of Retail and OEM licences, Microsoft activated my retail copy of
XP (on a second install) on an OEM licence. I accidentally installed my
retail copy on another computer mistaking it for my new OEM copy. Yes they
knew all the details and generated a new install key and activated for me.
Both computers on the same network and no problems with updates or genuine
checks. My OEM copy is still shrink wrapped, when it comes to
re-installation I think I'll make the same mistake again.

By the way MS won't let you.

-Winux P

:I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
: XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting
a
: new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP
Pro
: on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
: using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
: charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
:
: John
:
:

 

[Steve N.]

Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know"
if you're not.

LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
Activation exists.

Steve

 

[Bob I]

Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
reduce/prevent casual copying. Car locks don't assume everone is
dishonest, or do you?

Steve N. wrote:

 

[Alias]

Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
reduce/prevent casual copying.

That's the façade.

Car locks don't assume everone is

dishonest, or do you?

Apples and oranges. PA has caused problems to paying customers. Car locks
don't usually do that. MS assumes you are a pirate/casual copier until you
prove your innocence. How many cars have you had to take back to the dealer
to get activated?

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Same reason you lock your car.

I have the keys to my locks, the lock manufacturer doesn't keep them
from me.

MS holds the keys to lock on my copy of software.

See the f*%cking difference, sh*t-for-brains!

It's been stated that WPA was intended
to reduce/prevent casual copying.

LOL! That is the stated purpose. MS is a proven predatory monopoly,
AND patent and copyright infringer. I don't tend to believe the stated
claims of a company proven to be so disreputable!

Car locks don't assume everone is
dishonest, or do you?

A very poor analogy, as I've already shown.

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[Bob I]

And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

 

[kurttrail]

And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

Really? When did Windows software become a subscription service?

Oh my, are you delusional!

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[Alias]

And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is "OnStar",
a car?

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is
"OnStar", a car?

It is a service mostly to track your car, if stolen.

http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/index.jsp

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