Can I use Aero Glass

G

Guest

hello,

I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft
Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB

On an Acer TravelMate Notebook.
I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ?
or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ?

I am using Vista RC2

thank you
 
K

Kerry Brown

Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road
show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm
drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be
supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video
card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero.
 
R

RandyH

F INTEL!!


Kerry Brown said:
Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road
show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm
drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be
supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video
card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero.
Click to expand...
 
J

JW

Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that
the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to
support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for
it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions
using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they
did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for
Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the
chipset.
However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you
were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black
and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV
can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution.
 
R

RandyH

Obviously !...GOSH...

can you tell my how many gigaflops' a nanometer vibrates at?

F INTEL! HAHA
 
K

Kerry Brown

I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The
915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm
driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the
performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated
reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it
was too old. It was a marketing decision.
 
C

Curious

Kerry,
I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that
nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset,
however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the
DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the
driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in
order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with
MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance
penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to
allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset
Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915
chips.
 
G

Guest

Dear chaos29,
There is no doubt that the Windows Vista Aero G.U.I. requires a modern day
processor.
Alas my friend, even with goliath processing power, given your query, we
cannot forget the allmighty video card. Without its' devine black magic, the
virtual world would be, indeed...flat and featureless. And there, dear
Chaos29 lay some of your begile.

We are, "all of us using Vista", simply Beta testers. Nothing more, nothing
less. Technical specifications regarding the processing cababilities of a
personal computer required to run the Vista "Aero Theme", I do not believe
were posted in vague. Choosing to run Xp or Vista at "best appearance or, "if
your pc qualifies?...run Aero theme under Vista?" will absolutely impact your
pc's fundamental and overall performance, sometimes dramatically, regardless
of how big and bad your pc's processor.

Aero is a tiny glimpse into the future, and it is the future that holds the
answers. It is these answers that we most desire. The tech people at
Microsoft know that of us. They manage, through people like us, you and me,
to make our dreams a virtual reality.
In the software world, we (the beta testers) are the forgers' most valuable
tool, the tool that beats out the metal in the shape of our needs.

Given my limited knowledge regarding Vista at this milestone, I herald a big
NO on running Aero on your system. I doubt if it is available in your
preferrences anyway. But, if Aero is an available theme...and you opt to use
it, performance will dramatically decrease. Your system is not well
configured to run Vista with the Aero Theme running. Not enough of what is
needed. You must remember memory!

tac
 
J

JW

From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression
that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the
requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9
onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality
for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005.
I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that
one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the
chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers.
Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing
did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium
specifications.
 
K

Kerry Brown

You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure.
The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason
why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and
he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a
marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what
he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915
wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't.
 
G

Guest

To sum it all up Chaos29,

Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the
graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can
afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically
change/upgrade.
If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO!

The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC
manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy
it.

Mark
 
J

JW

I have a Intel 945GT MOBO with onboard graphics and it runs Vista Aero
Glass. and my NTSC tuner casrd just fine and is capable of running running
1080i programs using an HDTV tuner card.
 
G

Guest

Hi JW,

Your set up sounds awesome and is fine, for now. But we have no idea what
new game, or video needs are coming out in the next 6 months or year. All of
a sudden your 945GT will be obsolete and you cannot upgrade because it is
built into the motherboard.

What I am suggesting is that we get way from built in non changeable and be
modular so we can just pop in a new video card when the old one is obsolete
(or fails). Just like we do with memory, DVD drives, etc. Would this not be a
better approach in the long run?

So I stand by what I stated before, the only way the manufacturers will stop
making things this way is if we stop buying them.

I have a 1 year old Dell Inspiron 6000 with 915gms graphics, and 2 gig of
RAM. It runs very fast, runs Vista better than XP. But of course won't run
glass. Just because of some drivers, and Intel deciding not to support and
"older" product.

My next lap top will be a Sony Vaio with a replaceable video card. Like my
desktop PC.

Mark
 
J

JW

I have an empty PCI-E slot so I can easily upgrade if something unexpected
comes along that reqires functinality I currently do not have.
 
H

Hertz_Donut

I have an HP dv6045nr with 128mb on board graphics and it runs Aero just
fine!

Honu
 
G

Guest

I’m sure you have a great system, but my point is this. If 6 months from now
a new game comes out, or some new application and they require 256 meg of
video memory;

1.You would not be able to run it.
2. You would not be able to upgrade you machine to run it even if you wanted
to.

That’s all I am trying to say, if all PC’s and Laptops had replaceable video
boards you could increase your graphics capabilities without replacing the
motherboard or the machine.

Mark
 
K

Kerry Brown

At last a reason. Previously all I could get out of Intel was the 915
graphics would not be supported but no reason why.
 

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