Can I install Windows 98 SE onto new laptop with WinXP as SO

G

Gordon

Nicol12 said:
I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.

Now WHY would you want to go back to Windows 98? XP is sooooooooo much
better in all SORTS of ways, not the least of which is its far superior
memory management.

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G

Guest

I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.
 
B

Bill

I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.

If your PC is like mine IBM has designed certain features that will
only work with the version of OS you got. If you REALLY want to
use Win98 you should contact IBM or visit their web site before
you do anything. USB ports in Win98 were always iffy and wireless
networking was a nightmare.

Bill
Atlanta
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

IBM's customization of Windows XP will not allow the
installation of an older Operating System such as Windows 98.
You'll forfeit IBM Support if you attempt to install it.

If you insist, you'll have to go out and purchase a conventional
"Full Version" of Windows XP, delete your current Windows XP
partition, create two new partitions, format the first partition FAT32 and
install Windows 98. Afterward, you can install your new
copy of Windows XP on the second partition.

Also note that IBM may not offer any Windows 98 drivers necessary
for your IBM laptop. All-in-all, you'll probably wish you hadn't
made the attempt to install Windows 98 as the final result will be
less than satisfactory.

Multibooting with Windows XP: Introduction
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/multiboot.mspx

HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306559&Product=winxp

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| I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
| continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
| message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.
 
T

Tim Slattery

Nicol12 said:
I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.

This is a world-class BAD idea. Many parts of a laptop are
proprietary, and the pre-installed OS comes with the proper drivers
for all the esoteric stuff. Removing all that and downgrading to a
less capable OS pretty much guarantees that you will not be able to
find proper drivers. Doing this will probably leave you with a
crippled computer.
 
M

Malke

Nicol12 said:
I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want
to
continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am
getting a message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.

You've gotten good advice from other posters. If you want Win98,
consider buying Virtual PC 2004. This software will allow you to create
virtual machines running other X86 operating systems. For instance, I
have quite a few older MS operating systems running as virtual machines
with WinXP SP2 as the host.

Otherwise, if it is just that you are uncomfortable with change, you can
make your new XP installation look at lot more like what you are used
to. Just set it to "Classic" mode.

Malke
 
Y

Yves Leclerc

You can not install Windows 98 into XP. Both are operating systems and can
not use the same hard drive partition.
 
L

Lem

With respect to the lack of Win98 drivers from IBM, there may appear to be
Win98se drivers on the IBM site, but they are probably unusable to do a clean
install of Win98se.

I'm just about to do the opposite to the OP's plan (a clean install of WinXP
onto an IBM laptop that has an IBM preinstall of Win98se). As part of my
research on what drivers I'll need, I found an article on the IBM site (doc id
MIGR-40067) that notes the following:

"The drivers and applications that are posted on the IBM ThinkPad device driver
file matrices web site are mostly upgrade versions and as such require an
installed version to upgrade from."

I can deal with this by ensuring that I save my Win98 drivers and then updating
them with the XP updates available from IBM. On the other hand, even though the
IBM site lists various drivers for Win98se/ME, if those files are "upgrade
versions" they'll be useless for the OP, because they will not be complete Win98
drivers.
 
D

Dan

This user may want the same set-up that I have on my desktop PC with a
dual-boot of 98SE and XP PRO. I love 98SE as an old school operating system
and their use of the 9x code that supports MS-DOS as compared to XP PRO which
uses the NT (New Technology) code. 98SE is awesome for older games and
programs. XP PRO is satisfactory for newer games and programs but is not
that great on old school programs. I have not yet tried out DOSBOX for XP
PRO. to see if that would work with my older games but that is a distinct
possibility. In the meantime, 98SE is great because it allows a techie to
get to the innards of the operating system fairly easily. In addition, it
does not have as many services as XP PRO. that would enable a hacker to get
through your system through an inherent weakness in the operating system. I
do not suggest that the user gets a dual-boot computer with this computer.
My reccommendation is that the user if they really want a dual-boot system
then get a customized desktop like I did. My PC is actually a
Falcon-Northwest PC that I have maintained and upgraded through time. I like
it because it has a solid metal case that I can remove the side after taking
out two screws to allow myself to blow compressed air through the computer to
clean it. Also, it is tower and thus allows the ability to upgrade easily.
Also, I connect through the internet through cable but do not use wireless do
to the inherent security issues with wireless computers. Also, I do not use
Bluetooth because that technology can be hacked. I suggest the user do their
research and buy a customized desktop PC that will allow the user to use 98SE
and XP PRO in a dual-boot situation. I have my 98SE operating system which
is a full retail version on one hard drive that has Fat32 with 40 gigabytes
of data while my other drive has an 80 gigabyte hard drive (Both Western
Digital) with an NTFS file system. My PC has served me well for years and I
plan to continue to upgrade it and customize it as I see fit. Yes, I do use
the Classic mode in XP but have found that it still does not meet all my
needs. I have had to use a modified boot.ini to customize it in order to fit
my needs as a computer user. Finally, I am considering adding Linux to my
machine to allow a tri-boot situation and find out what all the fuss and
noise is about Linux. I hope my post is of some use to the original poster
and everyone else and again I do not suggest using your IBM PC for 98SE but
the user has a perfectly valid point of wanting 98SE. Finally, remember that
98 Second Edition support ends on 30 June 2006 and Microsoft is currently
only releasing critical updates through Windows Updates for this operating
system. Thank you and have a great day.

: Nicol12 wrote:
:
: > I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want
: > to
: > continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am
: > getting a message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.
:
: You've gotten good advice from other posters. If you want Win98,
: consider buying Virtual PC 2004. This software will allow you to create
: virtual machines running other X86 operating systems. For instance, I
: have quite a few older MS operating systems running as virtual machines
: with WinXP SP2 as the host.
:
: Otherwise, if it is just that you are uncomfortable with change, you can
: make your new XP installation look at lot more like what you are used
: to. Just set it to "Classic" mode.
:
: Malke
: --
: MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
: Elephant Boy Computers
: www.elephantboycomputers.com
: "Don't Panic!"
 
D

Dan

Hopefully this reply from 98 general newsgroup will help:

Win98 installations should not be soo complicated. I have done
this and although they are lenghty (I find having a TV nearby helps)
they are not complicated.

As my time is limited, I can't search out all your posts to get up to
speed, so do forgive if I say somethig that you or someone else
mentioned already.

Ok, to install Win98 you need:

One bootable floppy
One Win 98 CD
One PC ready for installation

The whole concept of the installation is to prepare the hard disk and
then
run setup to install Win98.

First the PC is booted using a floppy that contains DOS and CD support.
(you wont get far if your operating system can't see the CD!) The hard
drive is prepared with fdisk which I assume you are fast becoming an
expert
in its use.

To prepare the hard drive, I usually do an fdisk with the /mbr
parameter.
This writes a fresh copy of the MBR (Master Boot Record) to the disk.
If it is a large hard drive (nowadays, they all are), use FAT32 by
answering
Y to the question that asks whether you want large disk support. I
either
use up all the HD's space in one or two partitions, depending on my
needs
and mood. Then I make the first C: partition active. I exit FDISK, the
PC
reboots at this time. Note that I am still using the floppy to boot the
PC.
After that I do a format C: and let that happen. Finally I insert the CD
and
run the install program. I do not transfer the operating system to the
hard
drive, as this is also not necesary, so I do not use any switches with
the
format command.

After the install program starts I just let it do its thing. It will
prompt you a
few times to type in information or to select this or that, but mostly,
it will do
the install without much intervention. It willbe lenghty, expect to take
some
where between 50 and 70 minutes.


Now, regarding that boot floppy. I always go to http://www.bootdisk.com/
There you can download an image of a bootable floppy for Win 98 or 98
se, if that is your case. Make the bootable floppy, test it by booting
the PC
and once that is functional, proceed to prepare the hard drive. If you
already
have one, then you are all set. If you have another Win 98 PC running,
you
can make a startup disk, this is your boot floppy. In this case, you can
skip
the entire bootdisk.com download stuff.

The advice of copying the Win98 install files to your hard drive is a
good
idea, but it is not absolutely necessary. It is a good idea becasue once
the
install process gets started, it will be faster to access the hard drive
than
it is accessing the CD. Obviously, copying all those files is going to
take
a certain amount of time and I suspect that you'll be even more
frustrated
if you have to reformat the drive and lose the copied files.
4)When I am ready to run Set-up, do I have to do it from dos via
finding the
Executable
then typing Run?

You must locate the install program and execute it by typing its name
after
the DOS prompt.
7)Will this finally solve the problem of whatever the heck a VXD &/OR
VMM
file is? and the problems it generates.

Did you have problems with the PC? If these were due to something within
the
Win 98 files, then, yes, a reinstall will fix it, but if these problems
were caused
by something else (like faulty hardware), then the problem might surface
again.

I have heard of " sys c: " but have never
used it, is it something I need to know more
about at this particular time?

It is good to know, but not necessarily to install Win 98.


Good luck!!
Saga


: I have just purchased a new IBM laptop and the SO is WinXP. I want to
: continue using Win98SE, is it possible to install Win 98. I am getting a
: message to start in MS DOS but not sure how to.
 

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