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Hello,
I suggest to stop buying and using insecure and unreliable software...
I suggest to stop buying and using insecure and unreliable software...
L
Leythos
"-" <put(windows) said:
There is no such thing available to the public, that would run on most
of the hardware out there. Not even Linux or OS/X is secure by default
in the hands of a typical home user.
M
myPC
Alias said:
It is quite obvious to me that the original poster is not intersted in
replacing the existing processor and motherboard with the same make and
model...but, that he would like to upgrade parts of his system in the
future.
Yes, you're right replacing the motherboard with the same model does not
require a reinstall or a reactivation....however, you may not be getting
max. system performance if you don't reinstall Windows.
As for the machine you upgraded the motherboard on....hmmm... did you
replace the processor as well? What's the make and model of what MB you
took out and what you put back in the system?
F**K...I'm not gonna explain all this licensing shit....read the
following.... http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php
M
myPC
antioch said:
You're a freak! Turn off your computer for a week and go outside in the
real world! Some of use have other things to do besides checking newsgroups
replies every 5 mintues!
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Alias
myPC said:
Not the same model. The former has FSB/DDR 333 and the new one has 400
FSB/DDR. In fact, now both computers have the exact same MB. So far, in
a couple of weeks, no problems.
No, I used the same processor on both computers.
QDI FSB/DDR 266 to Asrock 400 FSB/DDR.
Alias
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antioch
Sorry if I rattled your cage - shall I throw peanuts or bananas 
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myPC
Alias said:
Well there you have it. You only replaced the motherboard. The processor
is the same. Now, if you had upgraded the processor and the motherboard
from say a P3 to a P4 ( just as an example )...you would be prompted to
reactivate....and, Microsoft may refuse to reactivate. If you had purchased
a retail version of Windows XP, microsoft wouldn't care if you made that
same system upgrade.
Your upgrade from the QDI to Asrock MB may or may not present OS problems in
the long run...however, it may have an impact on performance.
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Alias
myPC said:
False. You may upgrade a computer running a generic OEM XP. Period.
You're not following.
Let me clear it up for you:
Computer A.
New video card
New audio as it is onboard
New motherboard, an Asrock like I had before except that it's a newer
version.
XP was not reinstalled, no impact on performance, no prompt to activate
and it passed the latest WGA test.
This computer used to have an AthlonXP 2200 and a couple of months ago I
updated 1 gig RAM from 266 to 333 and put in an AthlonXP 3000+. I wasn't
prompted to activate then either.
Computer B
New motherboard, QDI to Asrock.
New Video Card
New NIC
512MB more of RAM
XP was reinstalled clean and it activated on line and passed all WGA
tests and I downloaded some 41 updates.
So, you were saying?
Alias
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Guest
I started this post........and I must say what great reading. With all this
said, I still have a question.
When you buy either OEM or Retail......do you own that operating system for
life?! Your "one" computer NO MATTER WHAT CHANGES YOU MAKE TO IT?
If you buy a computer pre-installed........if that computer dies.....the
operating system goes with it. So this is the confusion.
Regards All... Rick
said, I still have a question.
When you buy either OEM or Retail......do you own that operating system for
life?! Your "one" computer NO MATTER WHAT CHANGES YOU MAKE TO IT?
If you buy a computer pre-installed........if that computer dies.....the
operating system goes with it. So this is the confusion.
Regards All... Rick
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Ghostrider
LiveMusicNut said:
There are various scenarios, all based on the EULA that is
associated with the particular product that has been installed.
And also how (and occasionally by whom) Windows XP was insalled.
Today, one does not own any software. It is all licensed and
one gets to use the license according to the way the EULA was
written. From the outset, a "retail" license allows the user
to install that copy of Windows XP in any single computer in
time. A "generic", or full, OEM version of Windows XP allows
the license-holder to install it generally into just the first
computer. But there has to be allowances for repairing that
particular computer. Finally, "branded" OEM versions are locked
to a specific computer make and the OEM system in which it was
originally installed.
Of course, there are interpretations of the above which covers
all combinations and permutations to which any particular version
can be or has been successfully employed. Just as 007, James Bond,
has a license to kill, it does not mean that the privilege can be
used indiscriminately.
IOW, use your best judgement and, no, Microsoft isn't going to
send a bounty hunter after you. In fact, when the interpretation
is murky and vague, Microsoft is more scared of the user since
its entire basis for its EULA's can be tossed out civil lawsuit
against it, thus setting the precedent.
M
myPC
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Bruce Chambers
LiveMusicNut said:
No, you shouldn't have any such troubles.
According to its EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from
one distinct PC to another PC. Nothing is said about prohibiting one
from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM license is installed.
Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component
that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make any
such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully argue
that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that is where
one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key. Again, the
EULA does not specifically define any single component as the computer.
Licensed Microsoft Systems Builders, who are allowed to distribute OEM
licenses with computers they sell, are _contractually_ obligated to
"define" the computer as the motherboard, but this limitation/definition
can't be applied to the end user until the EULA is re-written.
Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define
when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original
computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to this
definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the inquiry
to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is
solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine
what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support
agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded
computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM
EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've
built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are the
"OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your product.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
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Bruce Chambers
myPC said:
Really? Why's that? I've never, ever had to reinstall or repair *any*
operating system just because of a monitor change. Monitors don't even
require device drivers to be installed; they have zero affect upon an
operating system.
Partially true, but only as a last resort. Under normal circumstances,
a repair installation is sufficient.
That would depend on how many other hardware changes have already taken
place. The CPU does count towards the need to reactivate.
Here are the facts pertaining to activation:
Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/
Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm
Actually, as long as it's been more than 120 days since that particular
license's last activation, the OP should be able to activate via the
Internet, without a problem.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
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Bruce Chambers
myPC said:
Actually, that was not at all "obvious" from the original post, but
that hardly matters, as it's irrelevant to this particular question.
Usually, but not always true. Sometime a simple BIOS flash, without
any hardware change can trigger the activation countdown.
Huh? Why not? If the hardware is identical, how is the replacement
going to have any affect upon performance? Please provide technical
details.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
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Bruce Chambers
LiveMusicNut said:
You *never* "own" the operating system. What you've purchased is a
license (in simple terms, the copyright holder's permission) to use the
software for as long as you abide by the terms of that license.
According to the EULA, yes. However, some computer manufacturers, in
an additional attempt to prevent software piracy, have customized their
OEM versions of the software in such a manner that their
installation/recovery media will not work on any computer other than the
one for which the CD was specifically designed. These versions are
referred to as SLP or being BIOS-locked.
No, you seem to understand it.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
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antioch
Hello Bruce
Thank you for sorting out the loose ends to the WPA written by the late Alex
Nichol MS-MVP.
I have read this WPA explanation quite a few times and thought I had
understood it fully, until I read some of the posts in this thread.
Thanks also to LiveMusicNut for those last one or two points to which you
were able to give understandable explanations.
Together with the EULA and the system Builders Licence, anyone reading this
post should be in no doubt as to where they stand in relation to usage and
abusage of retail and OEM. (well maybe not everyone) ;-)
Rgds
Antioch
Thank you for sorting out the loose ends to the WPA written by the late Alex
Nichol MS-MVP.
I have read this WPA explanation quite a few times and thought I had
understood it fully, until I read some of the posts in this thread.
Thanks also to LiveMusicNut for those last one or two points to which you
were able to give understandable explanations.
Together with the EULA and the system Builders Licence, anyone reading this
post should be in no doubt as to where they stand in relation to usage and
abusage of retail and OEM. (well maybe not everyone) ;-)
Rgds
Antioch
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Bruce Chambers
antioch said:
You're welcome.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
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Alias
myPC said:
I already have. Your point? You said I can't replace the motherboard
without phoning in activation. I did. Twice.
Alias