Buying my first Laser printer

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Hello
I am thinking to buy an entry-level laser B/W printer.(A friend of min
suggested me the Hp 1022)
Any suggestion?
Can somebody tell me what should i consider and MUST know before buying
one?(supplies,Toner,drum,photo...?)

Thanks a lot

 

[Guest]

I bought my first one recently. Why not go for color while yer at it?
For $430, it's hard to miss:
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=653839

Is nice i know but i can't spend more than 200€

 

[Todd H.]

Hello
I am thinking to buy an entry-level laser B/W printer.(A friend of min
suggested me the Hp 1022)
Any suggestion?
Can somebody tell me what should i consider and MUST know before
buying one?(supplies,Toner,drum,photo...?)

Thanks a lot

I bought my first one recently. Why not go for color while yer at it?
For $430, it's hard to miss:
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=653839

 

[Tony]

Hello
I am thinking to buy an entry-level laser B/W printer.(A friend of min
suggested me the Hp 1022)
Any suggestion?
Can somebody tell me what should i consider and MUST know before buying
one?(supplies,Toner,drum,photo...?)

Thanks a lot

The LJ1022 is a good entry level printer. It has a healthy duty cycle and is
fast and good quality. Easy to install and networkable (p2p).
You get a new drum with each cartridge. Remanufactured cartridges are easy to
get most places.
Only downsides I know are -
Small toner cartridge (check the price of replacements and the estimated pages
per cartridge).
As an entry level printer the prices of parts will make it too expensive to
repair if you get a major problem after warranty like the fuser, but this is
true for, I think, all entry level lasers.
This is one case where an extended warranty might make sense if you can get it
cheap enough.
Tony

 

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The LJ1022 is a good entry level printer. It has a healthy duty cycle
and is fast and good quality. Easy to install and networkable (p2p).
You get a new drum with each cartridge. Remanufactured cartridges are
easy to get most places.
Only downsides I know are - Small toner cartridge (check the price of
replacements and the estimated pages per cartridge).
As an entry level printer the prices of parts will make it too
expensive to repair if you get a major problem after warranty like the
fuser, but this is true for, I think, all entry level lasers.
This is one case where an extended warranty might make sense if you can
get it cheap enough.
Tony

Thnaks Tony!
Anything else that i should consider before buying?

 

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The LJ1022 is a good entry level printer. It has a healthy duty cycle
and is fast and good quality. Easy to install and networkable (p2p).

Do you mean the 1022n model?

 

[Davy]

I got a Sumsung ML1520 El' cheapo, to date it cost me £54 (UK) in
del. and a 12 month warranty. The toner assembley is around £60, t
date I filled it twice, I got three bottles of toner powder for abou
£12. You can refill them as long as the toner holds good, that i
assuming the drum is in the toner assembley

If you want an idea of which you can fill have a look at -
http://www.refilltoner.com/index.htm you'll have to navagate aroun
the site for various makes

I find it amusing the cost of the Toner assembley compared to th
price I paid, it's a real work horse. This one does have a ver
slight niggle and that sometimes when printing an envelope it puts
small crease in one corner, I know I should use laser labels..

I also use it for making PCB designs using the toner transfer paper
the stuff you iron on

Dav

 

[Tony]

Do you mean the 1022n model?

No, the 1022 networks fine with peer-2-peer connections. If you want to connect
with RJ45 to a print server or similar then you would need to consider the
1022n.
I have lost count of the number of printers of this series that I have
installed (1020,1022,1010,1012/15), many in p2p networks and all have worked
first time.
Tony

 

[Tony]

Thnaks Tony!
Anything else that i should consider before buying?

Not really, I think they are excellent value for money. As I said before, look
into the cost of cartridges, nothing else will need to be regularly replaced so
cost of ownership is cartridge replacement only.
Tony

 

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No, the 1022 networks fine with peer-2-peer connections. If you want to
connect with RJ45 to a print server or similar then you would need to
consider the 1022n.
I have lost count of the number of printers of this series that I have
installed (1020,1022,1010,1012/15), many in p2p networks and all have
worked first time.
Tony

What do you mean p2p and how you do it?
Should i also consider Samsung's printers also?
In a laser printer,the parts that need to be change are toner,drum and
fuser right?
Anything else?
What is their life in ppm?

Thanks again!
I'll grow back like a Starfish

 

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Not really, I think they are excellent value for money. As I said
before, look into the cost of cartridges, nothing else will need to be
regularly replaced so cost of ownership is cartridge replacement only.
Tony

Maybe is cheaper refilling them right?
Is it easy like inkjets?

 

[Tony]

Maybe is cheaper refilling them right?
Is it easy like inkjets?

Yes and no. It is much cheaper, but also much harder than inkjets to do it well.
There is a technique called "drill and fill" that applies to some laser
cartridges which is easy so long as you know where to drill, but the problem is
that the waste hopper will overflow sooner or later (sooner rather than later
with small carts like the 1022 series), and the drums will usually only last
for one refill before needing replacement. There are 4 other components in a HP
monochrome toner cartridge that wear and need to be replaced at various times
in it's life, these are Wiper Blade, Doctor Blade, PCR and Magnetic Sleeve.
More information is available if you want it but I recommend that you price
buying remanufactured toner cartrdiges as needed if you buy this printer, that
way you get a warranty with the supplier who should have completely dimantled
and cleaned the cartridge, replaced the drum and other items as necessary.
Toner refills can be quite messy if you do not do a full dismantle before
refilling, unlike inkjet refilling which is rarely messy<g>.
Tony

 

[Tony]

What do you mean p2p and how you do it?
Should i also consider Samsung's printers also?

In a laser printer,the parts that need to be change are toner,drum and
fuser right?
Anything else?
What is their life in ppm?

Thanks again!
I'll grow back like a Starfish

Yes that's correct but the drum automatically gets changed when you change the
toner with this model (and most HP monochrome printers, maybe all). As I said
before, replacing the fuser in an entry level laser is rarely worthwhile
financially, I recently quoted for a fuser replacement in a HP multifunction
that uses the same printer engine as the 1012 and at the end of the day the
customer could replace the whole unit for $8 more, not worth it. This is true
at the entry level regardless of manufacturer.
Tony

 

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Yes and no. It is much cheaper, but also much harder than inkjets to do
it well.
There is a technique called "drill and fill" that applies to some laser
cartridges which is easy so long as you know where to drill, but the
problem is that the waste hopper will overflow sooner or later (sooner
rather than later with small carts like the 1022 series), and the drums
will usually only last for one refill before needing replacement. There
are 4 other components in a HP monochrome toner cartridge that wear and
need to be replaced at various times in it's life, these are Wiper
Blade, Doctor Blade, PCR and Magnetic Sleeve. More information is
available if you want it but I recommend that you price buying
remanufactured toner cartrdiges as needed if you buy this printer, that
way you get a warranty with the supplier who should have completely
dimantled and cleaned the cartridge, replaced the drum and other items
as necessary. Toner refills can be quite messy if you do not do a full
dismantle before refilling, unlike inkjet refilling which is rarely
messy<g>.
Tony

Thanks alot Tony for your informations!!!
But the waste hopper makes part of the tone/drum unit?
I also noticed that for ex epson EPL6200L hasn't toner/drum as a unit
but are separate.
Is this negative or positive?

 

[Tony]

Thanks alot Tony for your informations!!!
But the waste hopper makes part of the tone/drum unit?
I also noticed that for ex epson EPL6200L hasn't toner/drum as a unit
but are separate.
Is this negative or positive?

Yes for HP monochrome printers (including the LJ1022) the waste hopper is part
of the toner/drum cartridge.
There are some lasers that do not have a separate waste hopper; some Brother
printers for instance where the waste toner is recycled into the toner
compartment as part of a very different toner/developer cycle.
Separate toner and drum units have both advantages and disadvantages. The
advantage is that when the toner is empty the drum does not have to be replaced
and for some printers the drum will last for 2 or more toner replacements. The
disadvantage is that the combined cost of the two units is usually higher than
the cost of a single unit..
Unfortunately the only way to make the comparison is to look at the specs for
any printers you are interested in and work out the cost per page based on the
number of pages that the manufacturer estimates for their consumables. These
are usually based on a 5% print cover per page.
Tony

 

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Tony one other think that i never understood is the printer's memory.
What is all about?
What is the difference between 2MB and 8MB (example)
Thanks again!

 

[me]

Tony one other think that i never understood is the printer's memory.
What is all about?
What is the difference between 2MB and 8MB (example)
Thanks again!

A laser loads an image of the entire page into its memory and then
prints it all in one go, some complicated documents might be larger than
the printer's memory and so it can't print the page successfully.
eg: My HP IIIp has 1.5 meg and some pages are too large for it so it
prints as much as it can then the rest of the page on a separate sheet.

I've just printed (on a different machine) a black and white 8 page pdf
which came to 2 meg. The largest page I have printed has been 40-50 meg
for a colour A3 (11x17") page.

8 meg should be ample for a black and white A4 (11"/12" x 8") printer,
however 2 meg might not be.

The (A4) QMS colour machine I had rather than printing part of a page
like the HP IIIP just didn't do anything at all, fortunately that took
cheap PC100 ram, so I was easily able to increase its ram up to whatever
its max was (IIRC it came with 32 and I upgraded to 96)

Different printers will be more or less efficient with their memory.
There are some options in windows to try and use the printer memory more
intelligently although I'm not sure how effective there are.

 

[me]

I've just printed (on a different machine) a black and white 8 page pdf
which came to 2 meg. The largest page I have printed has been 40-50
meg for a colour A3 (11x17") page.

Actually a quick flick through the log found some in the late 60s and
low 70s

 

[zakezuke]

recently quoted for a fuser replacement in a HP multifunction

that uses the same printer engine as the 1012 and at the end of the day the
customer could replace the whole unit for $8 more, not worth it. This is true
at the entry level regardless of manufacturer.

I hope you don't mind me adding something Tony...

I can't remember if it was the hp1012 that I had direct experence with
or the 1013... but it was one of their ultra tiny models without a fan.
I had to return the sucker several times... my sisters actually she
picked it. The store people were gawking at the fact that we were
trying to print more than 200 pages at a time on it... they were like
"it can't handle that" and I thought they were on crack... it's a
laser after all. As it turns out, while they might have been on
crack... the printer's fuser works hot for a while than switches to
warm if you are printing more than a handfull of pages... and warm
requires slower printing to fuse the toner to the paper... and slows
printing down to 6ppm IIRC. The offical monthy duty cycle listed is
impossible to achive IIRC based on 6ppm. Ok printer, small and quiet,
but the sucker really needs a fan so it can keep the fuser hot and not
melt the printer.

So while the output is really nice... I had some issues with the hp
1012 or 1013 and can not reccomend it for anyone printing above and
beyond a handfull of pages at a time unless a lack of noise is
paramount.

 

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I hope you don't mind me adding something Tony...

I can't remember if it was the hp1012 that I had direct experence with
or the 1013... but it was one of their ultra tiny models without a fan.
I had to return the sucker several times... my sisters actually she
picked it. The store people were gawking at the fact that we were
trying to print more than 200 pages at a time on it... they were like
"it can't handle that" and I thought they were on crack... it's a
laser after all. As it turns out, while they might have been on
crack... the printer's fuser works hot for a while than switches to
warm if you are printing more than a handfull of pages... and warm
requires slower printing to fuse the toner to the paper... and slows
printing down to 6ppm IIRC. The offical monthy duty cycle listed is
impossible to achive IIRC based on 6ppm. Ok printer, small and quiet,
but the sucker really needs a fan so it can keep the fuser hot and not
melt the printer.

So while the output is really nice... I had some issues with the hp
1012 or 1013 and can not reccomend it for anyone printing above and
beyond a handfull of pages at a time unless a lack of noise is
paramount.

Thanks zakezuke!
I visited epsonz and HPz sites and saw that have very interesting color
laser printers in nice prices.
Any recommendation?
Epson or HP?
Which model?
I think i'll go for a color one in-order to discard my other old
ink-jet printer.
What do you guys think?