But I AM the Administrator!

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Guest

I am logged in as Administrator, not Jack with Administrator rights, but just
as Administrator. Nevertheless, when I want to delete exe files, folders and
sometimes other files I am told that I don't have permission. I have gone to
cmd, opened it as administrator, and typed in Net User Adminstrator, all to
no avail.

The nanny style of Vista is shortly driving me to Apple, something I NEVER
dreamed possible.

Jack
 
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Spanky deMonkey

He should really try Linux. Then he will be begging to come back to
Windows!
 
G

Guest

Go ahead and make the jump. Once M$ sees that they are loosing long-time
customers, maybe—just maybe—they will come around and develop, test, and
distribute something that Windows users can be proud of.

I have one machine with Fedora Core 6 Linux installed. If things keep going
the way they are with Vista, I will slowly convert the wife’s machine and the
other machines in the house.

I guess with XP at the top of the game, the only place to go is down.
 
N

NotMe

Have it OUR WAY at MS Today!
I am slowly migrating some of my older machines to Linux, it's a learning
curve, but much better than it was even 2 years ago.
MAC? I don't think so, but you never know.
From the Beta & pre-release stuff I have used, and the Vista Ultimate I have
dual booting to an XP machine, my opinion is that Vista is the MS Edsel.
To those that like it, great! But in 35+ years of computing, I have never
seen a company take such a giant step backwards.
 
M

Mr. Vista

" MAC? I don't think so, but you never know."

You'd be surprised at the number of people that've made the switch
 
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Stephan Rose

He should really try Linux. Then he will be begging to come back to
Windows!

How so? Linux allows you to delete any file you want to delete and
doesn't nanny you. =)
 
J

Jan Hyde (VB MVP)

Jack LightPlay <[email protected]>'s
wild thoughts were released on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:56:00
-0700 bearing the following fruit:
I am logged in as Administrator, not Jack with Administrator rights, but just
as Administrator. Nevertheless, when I want to delete exe files, folders and
sometimes other files I am told that I don't have permission. I have gone to
cmd, opened it as administrator, and typed in Net User Adminstrator, all to
no avail.

Can you give some example of the files and folders you have
been unable to delete?

J
 
T

Tyler Cobb

Simple solution to a simple problem! The Administrator group is second only
to the system accounts. You have one more step in order to become
"root-like" in Windows. Take your original installation disc, boot from it,
and load the Recovery Console when the option is presented. You will drop to
a command prompt where you will be able to delete anything you like.

Tyler Cobb, MCP
 
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Shane Nokes

Funnily enough Jack you'd run into this in Macs as well.

I've played around with OSX 10.4 enough to know that you get prompted all
the time for changes.
 
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DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> Stephan Rose
How so? Linux allows you to delete any file you want to delete and
doesn't nanny you. =)

Not so much -- Linux won't let you delete a file you don't have rights
to unless you switch over to a user with appropriate rights. Imagine
that, just like UAC.
 
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Stephan Rose

DevilsPGD said:
In message <[email protected]> Stephan Rose


Not so much -- Linux won't let you delete a file you don't have rights
to unless you switch over to a user with appropriate rights. Imagine
that, just like UAC.

True but there is a key difference.

If I understand UAC correctly, it nags you *any* file you wanna delete, even
if you own it.

Linux will only nag you if you *don't* own the file. Generally speaking,
unless you are working with a multi-user system or are modifying system
files....this doesn't happen.

And the biggest laugh is that this guy is logged in as administrator and
still being nagged. If I log in as root...I have absolute power over
everything and nothing will nag me.

--
Stephan
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Stephan Rose

Tyler said:
Simple solution to a simple problem! The Administrator group is second
only to the system accounts. You have one more step in order to become
"root-like" in Windows. Take your original installation disc, boot from
it, and load the Recovery Console when the option is presented. You will
drop to a command prompt where you will be able to delete anything you
like.

That sounds soooooooo "simple"...

I think I'll just stick to prefixing my command with "sudo" without needing
to reboot...=)

--
Stephan
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Richard Urban

You're wrong. If you are not using Vista, and have no way the find these
things out first hand via testing, why are you even posting here?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> Stephan Rose
If I understand UAC correctly, it nags you *any* file you wanna delete, even
if you own it.

You do not understand correctly.

Under UAC, you run as a user, without the Administrative token being
assigned to anything you do. You can do anything you want, within that
context.

UAC-aware programs (Of which Explorer is one) will detect when an
operation is refused due to permissions, and will offer to elevate. If
you accept, the operation is attempted again, this time with the
Administrative token.

Strictly speaking ownership has nothing to do with it, rather, it's
based on the NTFS permissions (Ownership plays a role, but if the owner
doesn't have a given right but the Administrators group does, UAC will
kick in -- Conversely, even the owner has a right, UAC will never kick
in.

You can test this yourself by giving yourself permissions to a directory
under "Program Files", and by taking away your own permissions (but
leaving full control in the hands of the administrators group) from a
directory on your desktop, then see what operations you can perform in
each group without UAC popping up. Second, see what you can do from
Notepad (where you can and cannot save files, since Notepad is not
UAC-aware and so represents a good backwards-compatibility test)

In all cases above, I am explicitly referring to the "Administrators"
group and not the local "Administrator" account.
Linux will only nag you if you *don't* own the file. Generally speaking,
unless you are working with a multi-user system or are modifying system
files....this doesn't happen.

Right -- Linux apps were built from the beginning to deal with this
model. Many Windows programmers learned in the 9x days when they didn't
have to care and when nothing stopped them from writing whatever they
wanted where ever they wanted.

In the NT world this was always a bad idea, but most users ran with
administrative rights so that they could get their 9x software to work.
This created a vicious circle, since most users were administrators
anyway, a lot of software was still written to run under that
assumption.

UAC is a half-way solution, it runs administrators as normal users, but
attempts to bridge the gap by 1) easily allowing elevation when needed,
and 2) attempting to guess when elevation is needed.

This gives the security benefits of running as a limited user, but with
the convenience of running as a full administrator, with the unfortunate
result being UAC popups.

All that being said, once a computer is configured and you're actually
using it, rather then installing/uninstalling apps or tinkering (and
admittedly I spend a lot of time tinkering), what exactly are you doing
that causes UAC prompts on a regular basis?
And the biggest laugh is that this guy is logged in as administrator and
still being nagged. If I log in as root...I have absolute power over
everything and nothing will nag me.

The same is true in Windows -- Fire up a command prompt as an
administrator (Run as administrator), confirm the UAC elevation request,
and you have unlimited access to do whatever you want, nag free.
 
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Shane Nokes

User accounts in OSX aren't admins by default though. ;)

Try to make a change from your normal OSX account, boom prompt.

So now you're saying that people who buy a Mac and want to make changes
should login as an admin to make those changes?

Hmm, sounds like what you have to do in Vista anyways.

So once again, someone is saying what I said in different words to argue
with me.


The logic in this place is falling to an all-time low :(
 
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Stephan Rose

Richard said:
You're wrong. If you are not using Vista, and have no way the find these
things out first hand via testing, why are you even posting here?

Easy:

Cost of vista: 200some bucks...
Cost of a machine I consider reasonbable: roughly $2,000

That's the amount I'd have to spend to get a machine to test vista on as I
refuse to actually install it on the computers I use.

So seeing how I have no spare machine that's powerful enough to run this
OS...I am trying to educate myself through other means.

You know this term..research you guys tell everyone to do? that's what I'm
doing =)

--
Stephan
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Joey DoWop Dee

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:22:19 -0400, Shane Nokes wrote:

User accounts in OSX aren't admins by default though. ;)

Try to make a change from your normal OSX account, boom prompt.

So now you're saying that people who buy a Mac and want to make changes
should login as an admin to make those changes?

No I'm not saying that at all.

I beg to differ, not argue with you.

When I set up my iBook I established one user. It had admin privileges.

After I got things set up the way I wanted them, I set up another account for
daily use without admin privileges. When, as a normal user, I want to make a
change that requires admin privileges, I'm asked to provide the admin user ID
and PW and the change is made without my having to log in as the admin.

So there are two ways: log in as admin or as a normal user and provide the
admin info when asked. That's what I meant.
 
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Dweebs

In Vista if you turn off UAC and reboot, you'll probably be able to
delete the files. I couldn't uninstall some of my software until I
turned off the UAC. Last time I played with Linux I gave it up as a bad
joke. Sorry.

Regards,
 

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