blank bsod

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David

anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of death
shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any ideas?

System Specs:
Abit AN7 Motherboard (NForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset)
I use the soundstorm on this board
Athlon XP 2600+ (Overclocked because system was unstable at
stock 11.5 multiplier setting)
512 MB PC3200 RAM (in two sticks of 256 MB so I can get
dual channel)
Radeon 9600 128 MB AGP
Seagate 120 GB 7,200 RPM 8 MB of cache hdd
52x32x52 offbrand burner
24x liteon dvd-rom drive

Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it something
else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
P

Paul Smith

David said:
anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of death
shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any ideas?
Click to expand...
Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it something
else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Click to expand...

I'd guess hardware, I don't think it being a driver would produce a blank
screen.

Check your settings for the CPU. I don't think any Athlon 2600+ Barton or
Thoroughbred supports 200Mhz FSB (if you're RAM is running at PC3200, then
you've got your FSB majorly overclocked).

FSB should be 166Mhz and the multiplier should be 11.5 which gives you
1.91Ghz the right frequency. Check what yours is set as would be first port
of action.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
http://www.smirnov.demon.co.uk/
http://www.doom3portal.com/ A Doom 3 fansite.

*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
 
C

Chris H.

Over-clocked systems are not supported, David. If you're having problems,
drop everything back to the specs from the hardware manufacturers and then
try to reproduce it. There is no way to exactly put a finger on the problem
when the system is stressed that much.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
 
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David

see, the 2600 barton does default to an 11.5 multiplier,
but there's a problem with the abit an7's that causes the
system to be ridiculously unstable when the multiplier is
set to 11.5 (see the link
http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread/t-10886.html ), so i
increased that to 12, so i can at least do normal internet
and music stuff, but anything that uses the graphics card,
i mean even the directx tests in dxdiag give me a blue
screen. My FSB is set to 166 MHz, although overclocking to
200 MHz FSB doesn't really change the stability at all.
I've turned off AGP Fast Writes, all shadowing and caching,
et cetera in the BIOS.
I use to have an MSI K7N2G board, and everything worked
fine on that, and also i've reinstalled windows xp since
then, so i thought maybe there could be an issue with the
4.4 catalysts and the an7, i'm not really sure what to
think. I've tested the card on another computer i have and
it works fine there too, so I think it's something either
A. with the motherboard, or B. driver conflict.
I used to get a lot of errors involving 0x0000000A, and the
four parameters changed a lot, but those errors don't come
up anymore really since I increased the multiplier to 12
instead of 11.5. My RAM is also running at 166 MHz FSB,
with 7-3-3-2 timings.
 
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David

as i explained in a reply to Paul Smith, the stock 11.5
multiplier setting of the 2600+ barton processor is
unstable on the abit an7, see
http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread/t-10886.html
With it set at 11.5 multiplier, I can't do anything
remotely productive and thusly refuse to set it back to
stock settings.
If you'd like I could underclock, but I've already tried
that and I still get the same blank bsod.
 
J

Jimmy S.

Hi David,

Look at the Event Viewer logs to see if there are any errors
Control Panel
Administrative Tools
Event Viewer

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| anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of death
| shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any ideas?
|
| System Specs:
| Abit AN7 Motherboard (NForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset)
| I use the soundstorm on this board
| Athlon XP 2600+ (Overclocked because system was unstable at
| stock 11.5 multiplier setting)
| 512 MB PC3200 RAM (in two sticks of 256 MB so I can get
| dual channel)
| Radeon 9600 128 MB AGP
| Seagate 120 GB 7,200 RPM 8 MB of cache hdd
| 52x32x52 offbrand burner
| 24x liteon dvd-rom drive
|
| Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
| listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it something
| else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
|
 
P

Paul Smith

David said:
see, the 2600 barton does default to an 11.5 multiplier,
but there's a problem with the abit an7's that causes the
system to be ridiculously unstable when the multiplier is
set to 11.5 (see the link
http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread/t-10886.html ), so i
increased that to 12, so i can at least do normal internet
and music stuff, but anything that uses the graphics card,
i mean even the directx tests in dxdiag give me a blue
screen. My FSB is set to 166 MHz, although overclocking to
200 MHz FSB doesn't really change the stability at all.
I've turned off AGP Fast Writes, all shadowing and caching,
et cetera in the BIOS.
Click to expand...

Drop the FSB down to say 133. Put the multiplier down to 10, or even lower
(is your chip unlocked?). If it was a software issue it would most likely
lock up still, hardware and it's less likely to lock up.

My money is on issue with the board (if it was drivers Windows XP would
surely display some kind of error on the BSOD), althogh I've done a quick
search around and I've seen no real traces of this happening (no results on
google groups for example) so it could just be a bad board.

From that article "I now found that I am getting random lock-ups much as
before, simply by enabling the overclocking features in the bios, and even
when no overclocking is taking place." tried that?

Probably worth getting the latest BIOS for the board as well
(www.abit.com.tw) and it's probably worth posting to
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit which has a very nice and brainy group of
people in!

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
http://www.smirnov.demon.co.uk/
http://www.doom3portal.com/ A Doom 3 fansite.

*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
 
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David

yeah i looked around the web and didn't find much of
anything. i'll try out alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit and
see if they have any input
 
D

David

well i'm at work, so i can't really check the event log
right now, but I would think that if it would be in the
event log, i'd get some kind of "Error Report" to send to
Microsoft once i rebooted, wouldn't I?
-----Original Message-----
Hi David,

Look at the Event Viewer logs to see if there are any errors
Control Panel
Administrative Tools
Event Viewer

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx? scid=FH;[LN];gms
Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
Click to expand...
http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
 
J

Jimmy S.

Hi David,

Let's hope the Event Viewer has some clues when you
check it out after work. Not every error will cause an
error report to be generated.

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
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_________________________________________________________

| well i'm at work, so i can't really check the event log
| right now, but I would think that if it would be in the
| event log, i'd get some kind of "Error Report" to send to
| Microsoft once i rebooted, wouldn't I?
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Hi David,
| >
| >Look at the Event Viewer logs to see if there are any
| errors
| > Control Panel
| > Administrative Tools
| > Event Viewer
| >
| >--
| >Cheers, Windows XP MVP
| Shell / User
| >Jimmy S.
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >
| >
| >Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| scid=FH;[LN];gms
| >Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
| http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| >MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| scid=sz;en-us;top
| >My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I
| confer any rights.
| >_________________________________________________________
| >
| >
| >
| | >| anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of
| death
| >| shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any
| ideas?
| >|
| >| System Specs:
| >| Abit AN7 Motherboard (NForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset)
| >| I use the soundstorm on this board
| >| Athlon XP 2600+ (Overclocked because system was
| unstable at
| >| stock 11.5 multiplier setting)
| >| 512 MB PC3200 RAM (in two sticks of 256 MB so I can get
| >| dual channel)
| >| Radeon 9600 128 MB AGP
| >| Seagate 120 GB 7,200 RPM 8 MB of cache hdd
| >| 52x32x52 offbrand burner
| >| 24x liteon dvd-rom drive
| >|
| >| Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
| >| listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it
| something
| >| else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
C

Chris H.

I'm not arguing the point, David. Windows XP looks for the factory specs on
hardware, and runs accordingly, so by over-clocking you're bucking the
system itself. It is like using unmatched RAM sticks. You're just asking
for issues to happen, and then we don't know what to do to fix it.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
 
D

David

nothing really pops out at me in the event log (i'm looking
under system), I have some errors from a few days ago, but
that was probably from when I was actually getting Blue
Screens that said something, before I overclocked.
-----Original Message-----
Hi David,

Let's hope the Event Viewer has some clues when you
check it out after work. Not every error will cause an
error report to be generated.

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
Click to expand...
http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
_________________________________________________________

| well i'm at work, so i can't really check the event log
| right now, but I would think that if it would be in the
| event log, i'd get some kind of "Error Report" to send to
| Microsoft once i rebooted, wouldn't I?
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Hi David,
| >
| >Look at the Event Viewer logs to see if there are any
| errors
| > Control Panel
| > Administrative Tools
| > Event Viewer
| >
| >--
| >Cheers, Windows XP MVP
| Shell / User
| >Jimmy S.
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >
| >
| >Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| scid=FH;[LN];gms
| >Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
| http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| >MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| scid=sz;en-us;top
| >My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I
| confer any rights.
| >_________________________________________________________
| >
| >
| >
| | >| anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of
| death
| >| shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any
| ideas?
| >|
| >| System Specs:
| >| Abit AN7 Motherboard (NForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset)
| >| I use the soundstorm on this board
| >| Athlon XP 2600+ (Overclocked because system was
| unstable at
| >| stock 11.5 multiplier setting)
| >| 512 MB PC3200 RAM (in two sticks of 256 MB so I can get
| >| dual channel)
| >| Radeon 9600 128 MB AGP
| >| Seagate 120 GB 7,200 RPM 8 MB of cache hdd
| >| 52x32x52 offbrand burner
| >| 24x liteon dvd-rom drive
| >|
| >| Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
| >| listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it
| something
| >| else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >


.
Click to expand...
 
J

Jimmy S.

I was hoping we would find something there.
Thanks for checking just the same David. :)

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite: http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
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My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
_________________________________________________________

| nothing really pops out at me in the event log (i'm looking
| under system), I have some errors from a few days ago, but
| that was probably from when I was actually getting Blue
| Screens that said something, before I overclocked.
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Hi David,
| >
| >Let's hope the Event Viewer has some clues when you
| >check it out after work. Not every error will cause an
| >error report to be generated.
| >
| >--
| >Cheers, Windows XP MVP
| Shell / User
| >Jimmy S.
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >
| >
| >Game FAQs:
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
| >Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
| http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| >MS Support at:
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
| >My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I
| confer any rights.
| >_________________________________________________________
| >
| | >| well i'm at work, so i can't really check the event log
| >| right now, but I would think that if it would be in the
| >| event log, i'd get some kind of "Error Report" to send to
| >| Microsoft once i rebooted, wouldn't I?
| >| >-----Original Message-----
| >| >Hi David,
| >| >
| >| >Look at the Event Viewer logs to see if there are any
| >| errors
| >| > Control Panel
| >| > Administrative Tools
| >| > Event Viewer
| >| >
| >| >--
| >| >Cheers, Windows XP MVP
| >| Shell / User
| >| >Jimmy S.
| >| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| >| scid=FH;[LN];gms
| >| >Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite:
| >| http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| >| >MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
| >| scid=sz;en-us;top
| >| >My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I
| >| confer any rights.
| >| >_________________________________________________________
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| | >| >| anytime i play a game, i get a blank blue screen of
| >| death
| >| >| shortly after it starts. What is causing this? any
| >| ideas?
| >| >|
| >| >| System Specs:
| >| >| Abit AN7 Motherboard (NForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset)
| >| >| I use the soundstorm on this board
| >| >| Athlon XP 2600+ (Overclocked because system was
| >| unstable at
| >| >| stock 11.5 multiplier setting)
| >| >| 512 MB PC3200 RAM (in two sticks of 256 MB so I can get
| >| >| dual channel)
| >| >| Radeon 9600 128 MB AGP
| >| >| Seagate 120 GB 7,200 RPM 8 MB of cache hdd
| >| >| 52x32x52 offbrand burner
| >| >| 24x liteon dvd-rom drive
| >| >|
| >| >| Now, is there a possible driver conflict with something
| >| >| listed here, is my graphics card dead, or is it
| >| something
| >| >| else completely? Any ideas would be appreciated.
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >.
| >| >
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
N

NT Canuck

David said:
nothing really pops out at me in the event log (i'm looking
under system), I have some errors from a few days ago, but
that was probably from when I was actually getting Blue
Screens that said something, before I overclocked.
Click to expand...

there's most likely some video driver issue,
I suspect not a blue screen (windows) but rather just a draw failure.

try re-installing your directx (9.0b is current) then reboot..
then reistall your ati drivers (latest catalyst)
optional...these ones work better for gaming (omega 2.5.36b)
http://www.omegacorner.com/index_ati.html

and likely is ok now (unless missing some mainboard driver)
 
J

Jimmy S.

It figures that one of the rare times I deviate from posting
my troubleshooting template, it contained the solution all
along. Next time, I'm going to stick to the step by step. :)

Glad you're up and running again David. WTG Canuk!

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


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_________________________________________________________

| yeah reinstalling directx 9.0b did the trick, i no longer get the blank
| bsods.
| NT Canuck wrote:
| >
| >
| >>nothing really pops out at me in the event log (i'm looking
| >>under system), I have some errors from a few days ago, but
| >>that was probably from when I was actually getting Blue
| >>Screens that said something, before I overclocked.
| >
| >
| > there's most likely some video driver issue,
| > I suspect not a blue screen (windows) but rather just a draw failure.
| >
| > try re-installing your directx (9.0b is current) then reboot..
| > then reistall your ati drivers (latest catalyst)
| > optional...these ones work better for gaming (omega 2.5.36b)
| > http://www.omegacorner.com/index_ati.html
| >
| > and likely is ok now (unless missing some mainboard driver)
| >
 

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