BIOS Geforce fx5200 too old

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Osiris

Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
too old: version 4.34.20.18.
So where can I get a newer BIOS and flash program ?

NVIDIA is not much help:

"Where can I download the latest video BIOS for my video card?

You will need to contact your graphics card manufacturer for the
latest custom BIOS for your graphics card. "


Google is not much help either: it only gives me newsgroup messages
with this same question, and answers that point to some BIOS editor...
..
 
J

JohnS

Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
too old: version 4.34.20.18.
So where can I get a newer BIOS and flash program ?

NVIDIA is not much help:

"Where can I download the latest video BIOS for my video card?

You will need to contact your graphics card manufacturer for the
latest custom BIOS for your graphics card. "


Google is not much help either: it only gives me newsgroup messages
with this same question, and answers that point to some BIOS editor...
.

What brand do you have and model?

Heres a flash program for nvidia
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1633&page=3


One thing you can find sites that collect bios too cause sometimes you
can flash a card to higher specs --- use a different bios in the card
sometimes if the card can take it. This is popular with some ATI
models. However any mistakes in flashing will result in a DEAD card.
I had to get a PCI video card and bootup with that one to reflash a
non-working ATI 9600 which I accidently flashed with the wrong bios to
a XT. I also had to try 3 different MBs which I luckily had before
one would work.
 
S

Sleepy

Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
too old: version 4.34.20.18.
So where can I get a newer BIOS and flash program ?

NVIDIA is not much help:

"Where can I download the latest video BIOS for my video card?

You will need to contact your graphics card manufacturer for the
latest custom BIOS for your graphics card. "


Google is not much help either: it only gives me newsgroup messages
with this same question, and answers that point to some BIOS editor...

SiSoftSandra suggests all sort of bullshit - if you have no problems with
the card then dont flash the Bios. Bios flashing aint like changing
drivers - if it goes wrong you could be left with a dead card.
 
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Osiris

What brand do you have and model?

What more do you need than GeForce FX5200 and the bios version, to
answer ?


and now the new BIOS ....
One thing you can find sites that collect bios too cause sometimes you

No, I cannot find sites with my BIOS. Can you ?
can flash a card to higher specs --- use a different bios in the card

Don't want higher specs, just an updated BIOS.
 
J

JohnS

and now the new BIOS ....


No, I cannot find sites with my BIOS. Can you ?


Don't want higher specs, just an updated BIOS.

What they are talking about is the maker - like with ATI theres
Sapphire, PowerColor, etc.


You usually go to the makers site and they have one.

They dont always have one cause its not like a MB, very few people
go around flashing their video cards. Its pretty rare I would think
for you to have to flash a video bios unlike a MB bios and if you do
anything wrong or the power is interrupted while flashing or you
have other PC problems --- you can end up with a dead card.

Most people say the old cliche of dont try to fix what isnt broken
with MB flashing, only do it if you have to do it such as support for
new CPUs or to fix a bug that you are having problems with. If you
dont have issues then its better not to do it. That really goes double
for video cards.
 
J

JohnS

SiSoftSandra suggests all sort of bullshit - if you have no problems with
the card then dont flash the Bios. Bios flashing aint like changing
drivers - if it goes wrong you could be left with a dead card.

I dont think very many people have to. In fact Ive NEVER done it
except for overclocking. Maybe if theres some really bad bug or
something that needs to be fixed but that has happened .......NEVER
with any of my cards or friends cards.

The only time Ive done it is to mess around with overclocking some
9600 cards where theres lots of info about others doing it and I ended
up messing one card up and having to reflash it. If I didnt have all
the stuff to reflash it --- extra PCI video card , motherboard that
worked doing that method , I would have had to buy a new card.
 
K

kony

Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
too old: version 4.34.20.18.


So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
to determine what bios it should have?

So where can I get a newer BIOS and flash program ?

Where did you look?
Google search for it, though you also need to be sure your
card can use a generic nVidia bios and that the FX5200 you
have uses same GPU and memory speeds as the replacement
bios- there are several variations of a 5200. You might be
able to edit a bios to achieve the correct speeds but it
seems a bit advanced to suggest since you don't yet have
experience finding the bios either.

NVIDIA is not much help:

"Where can I download the latest video BIOS for my video card?

You will need to contact your graphics card manufacturer for the
latest custom BIOS for your graphics card. "

That is the right answer.
Who made your card? Contact them.

Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you
were doing some particularly high overclocking and needed
the different bios for that... but you'd know this ahead of
time, not be prompted by Sandra to do it.
Google is not much help either: it only gives me newsgroup messages
with this same question, and answers that point to some BIOS editor...
.

Best advice is ignore sandra and leave the bios alone.
 
O

Osiris

So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
to determine what bios it should have?

At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
Sandra ois correct...
Where did you look?

Google, NVIDA
Google search for it, though you also need to be sure your
card can use a generic nVidia bios and that the FX5200 you
have uses same GPU and memory speeds as the replacement
bios- there are several variations of a 5200. You might be
able to edit a bios to achieve the correct speeds but it
seems a bit advanced to suggest since you don't yet have
experience finding the bios either.

The results GooGle give me, suggest a few ppl have found it, but
cannot point me to the source.
The only reactions are those that circumvent the question with a dust
cloud of info beside the point, like places to find a BIOS editor...

I Flashes other BIOSes... but those I have been able to find....
Yeah that was exactly where I thought I would find it...but:
NVIDIA is not much help... No BIOSes to be found on their site.
That is the right answer.
Who made your card? Contact them.

Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you

maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...
Best advice is ignore sandra and leave the bios alone.

So: where would YOU think I could find updated BIOSes for an original
NVIDA GeForce FX 5200 ?
 
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paulmd

Osiris said:
Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
too old: version 4.34.20.18.
So where can I get a newer BIOS and flash program ?

Ignore that.
 
K

kony

At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
Sandra ois correct...

That's not what I asked.




The results GooGle give me, suggest a few ppl have found it, but
cannot point me to the source.
The only reactions are those that circumvent the question with a dust
cloud of info beside the point, like places to find a BIOS editor...

I Flashes other BIOSes... but those I have been able to find....

Why?
Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
expressed any need to do it?


maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...

.... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
bios.

So: where would YOU think I could find updated BIOSes for an original
NVIDA GeForce FX 5200 ?


I'm not going to spend the time because you're still
confused.

There is no reason to change the bios.
Sisoft Sandra is not an authority on need-to-change-a-bios.
 
O

Osiris

That's not what I asked.

True, but manufacturers often "change opinion" by releasing new
BIOSes.
So, to check Sanda's suggestion with themanufacturer, I want to find
is there is a new BIOS..
Why?
Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
expressed any need to do it?
Ummmmm why would I have to express NEED ?
I just want to know and ask for help.
... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
bios.

well, another factor determining "reason" here is my curiosity in this
matter, which "desperately" needs fullfillment (?) :)
And the desire to stay up to date on software. I update my WinXP,
Office, tools... everything. So why exclude BIOSes ?
Id a BIOS maker issues a new release, He'll have good reason. Maybe
not the reason that fits for ME, but then, do I want to get into the
details ? nooooo, I just update and FEEL good.

Rationality is not only defined by cognition.
I'm not going to spend the time because you're still
confused.

That is ok, of course.
But I keep my original question, where I can find a newer BIOS,
posted...
And no confusion there, I think.
 
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Osiris

Hm, it all sounds like:
Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
 
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Rod Speed

Osiris said:
Hm, it all sounds like:
Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"

Pathetic, really.

He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
 
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Hm, it all sounds like:
Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"

Pathetic, really.

He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
 
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kony

True, but manufacturers often "change opinion" by releasing new
BIOSes.

No, they don't.
They release a bios with their branding which has an
incremented number to reflect a change from the reference,
OR to reflect a change in the hardware on the card.

For example, they get a deal on some faster memory-
different bios version will have different memory timings.
You don't want that bios on your card if your card doesn't
have the (different) memory on it.


So, to check Sanda's suggestion with themanufacturer, I want to find
is there is a new BIOS..


Again, Sandra is not an authority on video card bios.
If you had no reason to get a new bios before Sandra, you
still don't.


Ummmmm why would I have to express NEED ?

Do you often do senseless things?
Better question, what do you hope to gain?
With no reason, it would be madness.
By reason I mean a video card operating state reason, not a
"I was told by Sandra", reason.

I just want to know and ask for help.

First you need to spend the time determining exactly what
FX5200 you have. We can't just link a bios because we can't
ID the card that only you have. Different FX5200 will have
a different bios because the card is different. BIOS aren't
just generically updated for the same card like the drivers
are, one bios version is meant to stay on the card for it's
life unless there were a very rare problem with it... and
even then, nVidia would sooner patch in the driver than have
people flashing new bios to their card.


well, another factor determining "reason" here is my curiosity in this
matter, which "desperately" needs fullfillment (?) :)

Curious of what?
How to change one?
Curious if you can find one?
If you just want a copy of the bios for safekeeping, get the
nVidia flasher and backup the copy already on the card, not
something randomly found on the 'net.

And the desire to stay up to date on software. I update my WinXP,
Office, tools... everything. So why exclude BIOSes ?

Because it's not the same thing, and it would likewise be
madness to update any other software when there was no
expectation of any benefit.

Id a BIOS maker issues a new release, He'll have good reason.

Yes, because it's for a different card, or the same card but
the number was incremented when the manufacturer branded it,
or some rare incompatibility with a motherboard, etc. In
other words, only if you have a problem.

You are guessing without experience. You would do well not
to guess, if your card needed a different bios you'd know
it. If your card manufactruer felt you might benefit it'd
be linked on their product download page.

Maybe
not the reason that fits for ME, but then, do I want to get into the
details ? nooooo, I just update and FEEL good.

You are very strange.
Rationality is not only defined by cognition.

Sanity is doing what seems beneficial, not random risks with
no expected benefit.

If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this, then FIRST
learn how to identify your card completely, it's specs, then
learn how to find the right bios.

When you can do those two things, maybe you're ready to
waste time actually updating the bios on it. To do it
merely because Sandra said it was old is just a sign you
aren't experienced enough using Sandra. It is a generic
tool, not your personal guide to changing things.
 
O

Osiris

No, they don't.
They release a bios with their branding which has an
incremented number to reflect a change from the reference,
OR to reflect a change in the hardware on the card.

For example, they get a deal on some faster memory-
different bios version will have different memory timings.
You don't want that bios on your card if your card doesn't
have the (different) memory on it.





Again, Sandra is not an authority on video card bios.
If you had no reason to get a new bios before Sandra, you
still don't.




Do you often do senseless things?

Not easy to define "sense"... But I went into that already.

Better question, what do you hope to gain?
With no reason, it would be madness.
By reason I mean a video card operating state reason, not a
"I was told by Sandra", reason.

It is not because Sandra "told" me... Sandra "suggests".
First you need to spend the time determining exactly what
FX5200 you have. We can't just link a bios because we can't
ID the card that only you have. Different FX5200 will have
a different bios because the card is different. BIOS aren't
just generically updated for the same card like the drivers
are, one bios version is meant to stay on the card for it's
life unless there were a very rare problem with it... and
even then, nVidia would sooner patch in the driver than have
people flashing new bios to their card.




Curious of what?
How to change one?
Curious if you can find one?
If you just want a copy of the bios for safekeeping, get the
nVidia flasher and backup the copy already on the card, not
something randomly found on the 'net.



Because it's not the same thing, and it would likewise be
madness to update any other software when there was no
expectation of any benefit.



Yes, because it's for a different card, or the same card but
the number was incremented when the manufacturer branded it,
or some rare incompatibility with a motherboard, etc. In
other words, only if you have a problem.

Yes, many reasons possible...

You are guessing without experience. You would do well not
to guess, if your card needed a different bios you'd know
it. If your card manufactruer felt you might benefit it'd
be linked on their product download page.



You are very strange.

Besides being a mechanical engineer and software developer, I am a
philosopher too... well, finishing my study, anyway, in a few months,
hopefully :) That should explain...
Sanity is doing what seems beneficial, not random risks with
no expected benefit.

define beneficial... not easy.
If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this, then FIRST
learn how to identify your card completely, it's specs, then
learn how to find the right bios.

I know that.
When you can do those two things, maybe you're ready to
waste time actually updating the bios on it. To do it
merely because Sandra said it was old is just a sign you
aren't experienced enough using Sandra. It is a generic
tool, not your personal guide to changing things.

Not many "people" tell me what to do: I may follow advice, just may...
And if I do, not many people stop me.


To be clear: Your advice is (or sounds) very sound, but it addresses
only part of the issues at hand. One of them being me ;-)
 
J

JohnS

Hm, it all sounds like:
Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"

That would be a decent analogy I guess if you added sometimes when you
choose a red car they explode and you have to buy a new car or at the
very least you have to get it repainted --- a big hassle.

Thats all everyones saying. Theres a big risk though if you know what
you are doing its a smaller risk but its still there. So there has to
be a good reason to do it such as theres a bug and you are having
problems. Having some problem with the hardware is a good reason or if
you accept the risk and want to try overclocking and fully comprehend
what the situation is --- its OK. But just flashing for the heck of it
because Sisoft Sandra claims theres a new bios or something doesnt
sound that good unless you find more info on the reason why its giving
you that recommendation. If your card is running OK now , it doesnt
seem like a good reason. If there was zero risk then it would be
different too.

Ive flashed my MBs many times too and out of all the flashes Ive done
98% all were hassle free. However twice they were disasters for no
reason I could see. The last time was my current board. I later looked
and found out others with Chaintech Vnf4s were having mysterious
problems too ---- there were lots of people who had zero problems
using the same software to flash and yet many others at various sites
ended up with dead boards like mine. Luckily someone at one of the
sites actually reflashed the bios chip for me and sent it back to me.
 
K

kony

define beneficial... not easy.

This is getting ridiculous.

You have no reasonable expectation that changing the card
bios will serve any good purpose. Easy or hard, it doesn't
matter, even if you could snap your fingers and have a
different bios version instantly flashing to the card, it
would be a wasted snap.


I know that.

Then why didn't you already?

Not many "people" tell me what to do: I may follow advice, just may...
And if I do, not many people stop me.


To be clear: Your advice is (or sounds) very sound, but it addresses
only part of the issues at hand. One of them being me ;-)


There's only one issue- you have no need to change the bios
and there is no justification or expectation of it being
anything but a possible risk to the card.

But hey, go ahead and do it but don't expect us to hunt down
a bios when you didn't even post the bare minimum manditory
things- EXACTLY what card you have. FX5200 is not a card,
it's a family of cards based on a particular GPU.
 

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