Best Restore Method

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OldGuy

Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part
one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do
a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do
a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.

Laptops don't usually come with a "real" WinXP installer CD.

Instead, they have a restoration partition on the hard drive.
That establishes a factory baseline for the machine. And
that's not an "install", as much as it just copies an
install image from the restoration partition, to a freshly erased C:.

So in a way, that is your backup copy.

It's not clean either, because it has the cruft-ware that the
laptop maker puts into the OS. Trialware, bogus backup software,
AV software you didn't really want, and so on. So it's not
exactly a bonus or anything.

You can use Macrium Reflect Free, if you want to image C:
and store it somewhere. If, after installing your apps, and
you are happy with it, you could make a snapshot with Macrium.
With Macrium, you burn a boot CD, using the image provided, and
that's how you can do a "cold metal restore" later. If you
store your image from Macrium on an external hard drive, then
if the laptop drive dies, you have something to restore with.
Otherwise, the loss of the hard drive, also loses the
recovery partition.

At the same time, you can image the parts of the laptop drive,
that you'd want to have in an emergency. You should always
have backed up, those things on the laptop hard drive
for which no media currently exists. When I got my laptop,
one of the first things I did, is start copying *everything*
from the new laptop, to an external drive. That is compressed,
and takes about 40GB of space on one of my backup drives. If
I even need to replace the laptop hard drive, I decompress
that image, and just copy it back. You should always be
ready for a "rainy day".

But in terms of copying some intermediate version of C:,
you could do that with Macrium Reflect Free. Chances are,
you already own some other backup software, that works
as well as that one. Macrium uses VSS, so the OS does not
need to be shut down to make a backup. It can be backed up "hot".

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_Shadow_Copy_Service

Note - always be suspicious of download sites. I always
inspect the downloads carefully for toolbars and baggage.
The download site needs to make money somehow. When you
get that software, if doing an install, check for the
presence of "toolbar tick boxes", just in case. I can't
download this crap over and over again, to check this
for you. Check for yourself... I've never received a
toolbar I didn't wanted here, but if you watched how much
work I put into avoiding them, you'd see there is a
"price to eternal vigilance" :) It's a lot of work
checking for that stuff. Even reputable companies
stuff toolbars they get $1 for, into their downloads.
That pays for their download bandwidth.

Paul
 
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OldGuy

I am only interested in a full and complete restore.
i.e. a device that I can boot / load / restore from the crippled laptop
and overwrite all of C: to the "clean" state that I had after
installing the apps that I want as my baseline after I manually do a
reinstall of Win XP Pro and the apps I want.

1) starting with crapped up laptop.
2) wipe out current C: and reinstall Win XP Pro
3) install all apps that I want as my baseline.
4) create the bootable device files on DVD.
Not sure if my laptop has boot from USB. What do I look for in the
BIOS?
5) crash the laptop again
6) boot from the DVD or USB (if supported) and restore the "pristine"
XP with apps.

Hope I am clear. You gave me a lot of information so I am trying to
digest and extract the part I need. Thank you.
 
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philo 

Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do
a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.



Install XP

then update it and perform any tweaks you wish to

then do this

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6142_102-310061/how-to-create-your-own-xp-system-restore-disk-guide/
 
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jim

OldGuy said:
Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.

How do you manage to crash it too often ?
 
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Ken Springer

Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part
one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do
a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.

Another Old Guy here! LOL

I think both Paul and philo have the answer you seek, and I agree with
it. In fact, their suggestion is exactly the same recommendation I make
to friends and family.

I set up my computers, and other computers for the folks that are
willing to let me touch those computers (LOL) differently that the
default Windows setup. It can make your backup and restore of the C:\
partition faster. But, it does take some planning and understanding of
what you will end up with. And may require you to change some
practices/habits you currently have.

Since you have XP Pro, you *do* have the software you need for this.

Start>All Programs>Accessories>System Tools>Backup

It has both a wizard mode and an advanced mode.

Macrium Reflect Free and Acronis True Image both have excellent
reputations from what I read here and elsewhere. Nothing wrong with
choosing them, or even some other backup software.

IMO, most of the backup software all do the same thing, generally. But,
some find the interface for Program A easier to understand and follow,
some like Program B, or C, or ...... :)

My overall suggestions would be:

1. Really analyze what you want and don't want the backup to do, and
consider all possibilities.

2. Download and try out the programs you are interested in. Before
installing any of them, do a complete System Restore so you can return
your computer to the state it was in before you installed any of the
programs.

3. Store your backups on a 2nd physical hard drive. Since you have a
laptop, it will be an external drive. DVD use can be slow, but if you
do use DVD's, see if your DVD drive can read and write to rewritable
DVD's. That will let you recycle DVD's if needed.

4. Ensure your backup drive is large enough to accommodate your backup
plan, and use that drive *only* for your backups. No other use at all.

Hope this helps, please feel free to ask if you have questions about
what I do.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 17.0
Thunderbird 17.0
LibreOffice 3.6.3.2
 
K

Ken Springer

How do you manage to crash it too often ?

If OldGuy is like I used to be, it's damned easy! LOL


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 17.0
Thunderbird 17.0
LibreOffice 3.6.3.2
 
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glee

OldGuy said:
Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part
one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to
do a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.


These three all come in free versions that should do what you want....
read and compare, find the one that best suits your needs:

Macrium Reflect FREE Edition -
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

Hard drive backup and recovery, image and clone freeware - EaseUS Todo
Backup Free
http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/free-backup-software.htm

Paragon Backup & Recovery Free Edition -
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
I am only interested in a full and complete restore.
i.e. a device that I can boot / load / restore from the crippled laptop
and overwrite all of C: to the "clean" state that I had after installing
the apps that I want as my baseline after I manually do a reinstall of
Win XP Pro and the apps I want.

1) starting with crapped up laptop.
2) wipe out current C: and reinstall Win XP Pro
3) install all apps that I want as my baseline.
4) create the bootable device files on DVD.
Not sure if my laptop has boot from USB. What do I look for in the BIOS?
5) crash the laptop again
6) boot from the DVD or USB (if supported) and restore the "pristine" XP
with apps.

Hope I am clear. You gave me a lot of information so I am trying to
digest and extract the part I need. Thank you.

The way you learn, is to perfect your understanding of the component
parts of the process.

Macrium Reflect Free, requires two things.

1) You do the backup step. You provide a place for the backup
to be copied.

2) You make the recovery CD. Reflect has two ways to do this.
A dumb way and a smart way. The dumb way, is they suggest
you download Microsoft WAIK kit (~1GB download) and make a
WinPE disc. But that is entirely unnecessary. Most of the
Macrium Reflect Free download, is a boot image which will do
everything necessary. You follow the instructions and
burn a CD with that. To test it, try booting the computer
with the CD, and make sure the CD boot process finishes.
You should end up with a Reflect interface showing on the
screen when you're finished.

See "Other Tasks" "Create bootable Rescue media" in the left
hand column of the Macrium Reflect screen. You install Reflect
and run it, to get to the Macrium Reflect screen.

Without additional facilities, it isn't possible to test
Reflect fully. For example, if you had a spare, blank hard
drive for the laptop, you could test that the backup from
step (1) can be successfully restored to the blank hard drive.
That is really what you need to do, with any backup system,
to prove it works.

We had a case like that at work. Our own software developers
wrote a backup/restore system. They claimed to be "finished".
We started doing backups with their software. Every day,
the main server was backed up. Then, about six weeks later,
the main server died. Time to test the restore step. It didn't
work! Major burn marks on developer bums (that's from the heat
applied by management :) ) ! The restore was eventually
completed (bug fix for software). But the lesson learned by me
was - always test the restore works! That's why I *have* to
write the previous paragraph. No matter how well you *think*
this stuff works, you have to prove it! At the time, I
thought the situation was as funny as hell, but over
the years, I've seen similar stupidity play out at work.

Once you're satisfied with your ability to make images of
partitions on the hard drive. And, you own an external
USB hard drive for backups. You'll be prepared to make
your own backup/restore philosophy. And back up any
version of your C: you think is appropriate.

Paul
 
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Paul in Houston TX

OldGuy said:
Looking for your best recommendations rather than googling and getting
confused.

I manage to crash Win XP Pro too often and really hate reinstalling my
apps since it take too much interaction and time.

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make
something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part one.

Please either give me specific steps or links to approved methods to do
a restore.

My laptop supports DVD Write so 4.7G space.

Part two is to suggest what NOT to install, like IE V? or whatever.
Right now the latest version of IE has problems loading web pages when
PaleMoon or Chrome works just fine.

As others have mentioned...
before crash:
Boot from a Linux cd
clone the drive to an external hdd
after crash:
Boot from a Linux cd
clone the external hdd to the laptop

I do the above at least monthly for my laptops and
desktops. Acronis is free for my WD hdds.
 
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glee

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>, AAH
Solved my problems of crashing of Win XP. I create a new IMAGE
just once a weak and keep about 5 IMAGES on D: drive.
It is a old version but more than enough for XP home user.

[Does IT capitalize THE image (-:?]
snip

He didn't get your joke, J.P. IMAGine THAT...
 
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srojasramirez

So this time I want to do a clean install on my laptop and then make

something that I can use to put it all back in one click. That's part

one.

Clonezilla!
some yrs ago i had the same problm with my XP in my k8 pc, after some yrs or months it becames slow or a bit or to much unusable or stops working altogether

then after doing some research found there are some programs that make a disk cloning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_cloning

basically what I did is
a fresh xp install
then the antivirus
then wait to automatically upgrade to service pack 3 and the other updates
flash update, ie8
my MS office 2003
adobe reader,etc. the basic programs I use
then insert the clonezilla cd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonezilla

make a cloning of the windows partition in my usb external drive
and that's it, a perfect copy of a stable xp installation ready to restore when needed.
So everytime something bad happens, luckily doesn't happen that often really
or when I want to mess with my windows installing a bunch of programs to see how they behave , or testing linux cds installations just in case I make an error and wipe the hardrive

I used to use a backup restore utility -nero something-that came with my dvd drive and made the backup to dvds, but found that clonezilla is superior

IE 6 cames by default in xp sp2


S.Rojas
 
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Greegor

As far as I know, I do not have anything on my laptop that will do what
I want.

What several people have been suggesting is that
you make an image copy, which various programs
will do. Instead of an invisible or hidden partition
you can use a readily visible partition.

My standard lately is to partition every drive
with 15 GB at each end, marked First and Last,
with the rest of the drive partitioned and marked
DATA.

I install Windows onto the First partition, install
SP3 and all of the updates from the Microsoft update site,
and support items like Adobe reader, Flash, Shockwave Players,
Java, etc. I like a little tiny red fast shutdown button
in my quicklaunch...

Once you get a MODEL system just the way you like it,
you clone it to the Last partition for safe keeping.
I use the free version of XXCLONE which even lets
me multiboot to boot from the last partition.
(It switches which one is C: but the First/Last label
helps keep a user from getting confused.)

Ideally you would also make a CLONE of your
system partition to another drive or several drives
as well. Perhaps even a USB external hard disk
or a 32 GB USB Flash drive...

To put it simply, IMAGE copiers or Partition CLONING
would give you the sort of quick fix you described, IF
you prepare things right.

On my 3.4 GHz desktops XXCLONE takes
about 20 minutes to clone an 8 GB Windows
system partition.
You can't clone TO the system you booted on
so that's why booting on the Last partition is
the first step for cloning the Last partition to
the First partition.

On a 200 GB HD I'd be tempted to rig it with
two backup bootable partitions in addition
to the first one, but that could add more confusion
than it's worth. A clone to another drive would
of course be preferable.

Somewhere I saw that some business people
who fly a lot regularly CLONE their drive right
before each trip, in case an X-Ray machine
wipes it or it gets damaged by dropping.

They leave a clone drive image in a locked
desk drawer or in an IT holding area before
each trip.

I hope that helps.
 

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