Best fan control system?

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John Brown

About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Proposed parts will be:-

Psu - Antec 650w Earthwatts
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L
Cpu - Intel core 2 duo E8500
Cpu fan - Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro
Case fans - Acoustifans - 1 x 92mm and 120mm in and 1 x 120mm out

Thanks. J
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Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)

John said:
About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Proposed parts will be:-

Psu - Antec 650w Earthwatts
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L
Cpu - Intel core 2 duo E8500
Cpu fan - Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro
Case fans - Acoustifans - 1 x 92mm and 120mm in and 1 x 120mm out

I prefer the fans to operate at 100% speed.... smart fan control is just
.... well....


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Paul

John said:
About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Proposed parts will be:-

Psu - Antec 650w Earthwatts
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L
Cpu - Intel core 2 duo E8500
Cpu fan - Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro
Case fans - Acoustifans - 1 x 92mm and 120mm in and 1 x 120mm out

Thanks. J
==========

The problem with answering this question, is there is no way to
guarantee a motherboard supports such a function. Certain aspects
of the manual hint at a function, but that is not a guarantee it
actually works. For someone who really really wants this function,
it means having to buy more devices after the initial build, to
make up for the deficiencies. (I.e. If the motherboard doesn't have
it, you could easily spend as much as you spent on the motherboard,
to fix it.)

I looked in the manual, and the SYS_FAN2 header is a four pin type.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/Manual_DownloadFile.aspx?FileType=Manual&FileID=18741

GND +12V RPM PWM
X X X X

But in the BIOS, the option to enable speed control, only exists
for the CPU fan. (The CPU fan that comes with the processor,
typically has a four pin connector, so if you buy a retail
processor, there are good odds you'll have control of the
CPU fan speed. Not all aftermarket CPU cooler fans use a four
pin connector.)

There are two speed control methods for fans. The older method,
is to adjust the +12V voltage to the fan. That takes a MOSFET
near the fan header on the motherboard (and that is how I'd detect
the feature on a motherboard). MOSFETs cost money, so you're
unlikely to find that control method present on a new board.
Prebuilt computers, like something from HP, are more likely
to have MOSFETs on all headers.

The four pin header, adds the PWM or Pulse Width Modulation method.
That is a logic signal, running at 25KHz (so it won't be audible),
where the pulse width of the square wave sent from the motherboard
to the fan, specifies the desired speed. A MOSFET on the fan, implements
the speed control. Thus the price of the fan should be higher, while
the motherboard maker doesn't have to provide the MOSFET on their end.

These are examples of a couple PWM fans. They aren't that common.
And in the case of your motherboard, it doesn't look like the BIOS
would control the speed in any case. (Speedfan from almico.com might
work, but we don't even know if PWM is wired up on the motherboard.)

*******
This Rexflo is a four pin PWM fan. The CFM rating isn't overwhelming.
Rexus also makes a 120mm but Newegg doesn't sell it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705027

This 120mm one is 96CFM at full throttle and 37CFM at low setting.

http://www.rexususa.com/fans/21225-4.html

They want $20 for that 120mm one, here.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5..._PWM_Fan_-_DF1212025BH-PWMG.html?tl=g36c15s69

*******

You can implement manual fan speed control, either with a rheobus
box that fits in a 5 1/4" slot in your computer. Or you can buy a
handful of Zalman Fanmate II fan speed adjusters (I think they
handle up to a 12V @ 0.5A fan). But then the cooling is not
automated, and the fans don't speed up when the computer is hot.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1002/bus-55/Sunbeam_4_Channel_Rheobus_-_Silver.html

There were some automated controllers in the past, but I don't even
remember the product names. (The nice ones may have come from
Germany.)

I see one here for example, but you don't want to buy stuff
like this, without some reviews to read. Some of these have
had just dreadful implementations. There are very few "winning"
designs. I remember one, which was covered with pin headers
(for stuff to plug in), and there was no positive alignment
of connectors. One user managed to plug the connector into
the wrong spot and poof! magic smoke. As a consequence, don't
buy crap like this, unless you've got way more info than the
seller or manufacturer is willing to provide.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7...ern-V_Fan_Controller_LCD_Display_-_Black.html

So nothing in the above post, really meets your expectations.

Paul
 
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Ed Medlin

John Brown said:
About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Proposed parts will be:-

Psu - Antec 650w Earthwatts
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L
Cpu - Intel core 2 duo E8500
Cpu fan - Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro
Case fans - Acoustifans - 1 x 92mm and 120mm in and 1 x 120mm out

Thanks. J
==========
I have always liked Antec 3-speed fans rather than any MB controls. They are
quiet, dependable and adjustable for however much airflow is needed. I would
rather have control over them since I am the one who knows how much airflow
is needed and where.



Ed
 
J

John Brown

Paul said:
The problem with answering this question, is there is no way to
guarantee a motherboard supports such a function. Certain aspects
of the manual hint at a function, but that is not a guarantee it
actually works. For someone who really really wants this function,
it means having to buy more devices after the initial build, to
make up for the deficiencies. (I.e. If the motherboard doesn't have
it, you could easily spend as much as you spent on the motherboard,
to fix it.)

I looked in the manual, and the SYS_FAN2 header is a four pin type.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/Manual_DownloadFile.aspx?FileType=Manual&FileID=18741

GND +12V RPM PWM
X X X X

But in the BIOS, the option to enable speed control, only exists
for the CPU fan. (The CPU fan that comes with the processor,
typically has a four pin connector, so if you buy a retail
processor, there are good odds you'll have control of the
CPU fan speed. Not all aftermarket CPU cooler fans use a four
pin connector.)

There are two speed control methods for fans. The older method,
is to adjust the +12V voltage to the fan. That takes a MOSFET
near the fan header on the motherboard (and that is how I'd detect
the feature on a motherboard). MOSFETs cost money, so you're
unlikely to find that control method present on a new board.
Prebuilt computers, like something from HP, are more likely
to have MOSFETs on all headers.

The four pin header, adds the PWM or Pulse Width Modulation method.
That is a logic signal, running at 25KHz (so it won't be audible),
where the pulse width of the square wave sent from the motherboard
to the fan, specifies the desired speed. A MOSFET on the fan, implements
the speed control. Thus the price of the fan should be higher, while
the motherboard maker doesn't have to provide the MOSFET on their end.

These are examples of a couple PWM fans. They aren't that common.
And in the case of your motherboard, it doesn't look like the BIOS
would control the speed in any case. (Speedfan from almico.com might
work, but we don't even know if PWM is wired up on the motherboard.)

*******
This Rexflo is a four pin PWM fan. The CFM rating isn't overwhelming.
Rexus also makes a 120mm but Newegg doesn't sell it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705027

This 120mm one is 96CFM at full throttle and 37CFM at low setting.

http://www.rexususa.com/fans/21225-4.html

They want $20 for that 120mm one, here.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5..._PWM_Fan_-_DF1212025BH-PWMG.html?tl=g36c15s69

*******

You can implement manual fan speed control, either with a rheobus
box that fits in a 5 1/4" slot in your computer. Or you can buy a
handful of Zalman Fanmate II fan speed adjusters (I think they
handle up to a 12V @ 0.5A fan). But then the cooling is not
automated, and the fans don't speed up when the computer is hot.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1002/bus-55/Sunbeam_4_Channel_Rheobus_-_Silver.html

There were some automated controllers in the past, but I don't even
remember the product names. (The nice ones may have come from
Germany.)

I see one here for example, but you don't want to buy stuff
like this, without some reviews to read. Some of these have
had just dreadful implementations. There are very few "winning"
designs. I remember one, which was covered with pin headers
(for stuff to plug in), and there was no positive alignment
of connectors. One user managed to plug the connector into
the wrong spot and poof! magic smoke. As a consequence, don't
buy crap like this, unless you've got way more info than the
seller or manufacturer is willing to provide.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7...ern-V_Fan_Controller_LCD_Display_-_Black.html

So nothing in the above post, really meets your expectations.

Paul
======
No, not really - but thought it wouldn't be simple...most useful info
anyway...TVM...J
====
 
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Jon Danniken

John Brown said:
About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Wire the fan between 12 volts and 5 volts to run it at 7 volts, or use a
zener diode if you want a different voltage. This way you can control each
fan individually.

Jon
 
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Benjamin Corentin

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:48:43 -0000, John Brown wrote
Proposed parts will be:-
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:17:41 -0500, Paul wrote
(Speedfan from almico.com might work <snip>

Hmmm... The GA-EP45-DS3L is missing from the "GIGABYTE
motherboards that can change fan speeds" page
<http://www.almico.com/forummotherboards.php?man=264>. Maybe another
choice is in order if you want to use SpeedFan.

-- Benjamin Corentin
 
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Flasherly

About to upgrade XP machine and wondering what would be the best way to
contol the various fans for optimum temperature, noise and running costs?

Proposed parts will be:-

Psu - Antec 650w Earthwatts
Mobo - Gigabyte GA EP45 DS3L
Cpu - Intel core 2 duo E8500
Cpu fan - Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro
Case fans - Acoustifans - 1 x 92mm and 120mm in and 1 x 120mm out

I've an Antec case with 2 - 120mm's in/out config. 120mm fans changed
my life, regarding case cooling. Running probably 5yrs. with same MB/
CPU, HDs, pretty much everything stock. Old enough to stitch the case
up in green leather. Noise - yep, slight whine to it all day and all
of the night. Fans are optimal @ stock ratings. No more, no less.
Any nicer and it would probably last another 5 years. Cost I think of
along leaving on a 40w light bulb in the bathroom. Only downside is
it's a filthy little bugger, Antec calls a Lanboy. Sucks up dust like
a vacuum cleaner. :)
 
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DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> "Ed Medlin"
I have always liked Antec 3-speed fans rather than any MB controls. They are
quiet, dependable and adjustable for however much airflow is needed. I would
rather have control over them since I am the one who knows how much airflow
is needed and where.

I don't know about you, but my motherboard has various thermal sensors,
and therefore my motherboard is far better equipped to know how much
airflow is needed and where then I might be.
 
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Ed Medlin

DevilsPGD said:
In message <[email protected]> "Ed Medlin"


I don't know about you, but my motherboard has various thermal sensors,
and therefore my motherboard is far better equipped to know how much
airflow is needed and where then I might be.

Those sensors tell me where I need more or less airflow. It is just a
personal preference for me. If the NB is running a bit warm, I can position
a fan to cover that particular area. Many newer cases, like the Antec 900
use the 3-speed fans instead of MB header controlled fans.


Ed
 
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DevilsPGD

In message <4b53l.10494$x%[email protected]> "Ed Medlin"
Those sensors tell me where I need more or less airflow. It is just a
personal preference for me. If the NB is running a bit warm, I can position
a fan to cover that particular area. Many newer cases, like the Antec 900
use the 3-speed fans instead of MB header controlled fans.

So why not pick up a higher quality fan that can be controlled by the
motherboard and take the manual intervention out of the equation?

I prefer to have my computer automated mediocre redundant tasks rather
then micromanaging them.
 

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