AVG free 8.5 warning

[tommy]

Upon installing avg free 8.5, I received a warning about possible conflicts
with other AV software.
The only AV software I could find running was Windows Defender.
Could it cause a problem

running Vista Home SP2

 

[FromTheRafters]

Upon installing avg free 8.5, I received a warning about possible
conflicts
with other AV software.
The only AV software I could find running was Windows Defender.

Windows Defender is *not* an antivirus program.

Could it cause a problem

More likely is that a previous AV was not fully removed.

running Vista Home SP2

Did you remove (McAffee, Norton) preinstalled on (bundled with) the
computer.

 

[FromTheRafters]

Eh, eh, the new AVG Free (8.5) is anti-virus & anti-spyware.
http://free.avg.com/

Does it (like "Morrow" now "Windows Security Essentials") complain about
competing anti-spyware applications when you install it?

....that's just *wrong*!

D

 

[tommy]

Windows Defender is *not* an antivirus program.


More likely is that a previous AV was not fully removed.


Did you remove (McAffee, Norton) preinstalled on (bundled with) the
computer.

I removed all AV, AS that I could. Those weren't on there. An old Kaspersky
was on there, I removed it.

Windows Defender, formerly known as Microsoft AntiSpyware, is a software
product from Microsoft to prevent, remove and quarantine spyware in
Microsoft Windows. It is included and enabled by default in Windows Vista
and Windows 7, and is available as a free download for Windows XP and
Windows Server 2003.

I used Revo, and it didn't show WD, but it was a process running, I halted
it.

 

[FromTheRafters]

I removed all AV, AS that I could. Those weren't on there. An old
Kaspersky
was on there, I removed it.

Maybe this will help (if you didn't already use it):
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Kaspersky-Anti-Virus-Remover-Download-99015.html

Windows Defender, formerly known as Microsoft AntiSpyware, is a
software
product from Microsoft to prevent, remove and quarantine spyware in
Microsoft Windows.

I am aware of what it is, and also aware of what it *isn't*.

It *isn't* an AV program.

I used Revo, and it didn't show WD, but it was a process running, I
halted
it.

It is common practice to disable almost all such programs when
installing new software.

 

[tommy]

Maybe this will help (if you didn't already use it):
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Kaspersky-Anti-Virus-Remover-Download-99015.html

I am aware of what it is, and also aware of what it *isn't*.

It *isn't* an AV program.


It is common practice to disable almost all such programs when
installing new software.

Why disable it if it isn't an AV program?

 

[FromTheRafters]

Why disable it if it isn't an AV program?

To avoid possible interference with the installation process, not
because of some conflict with the normal operation of either program.
The caution specific to AVs is mostly because of a conflict between two
"on access" (API hooking) scanners.

 

[tommy]

http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Kaspersky-Anti-Virus-Remover-Download-99015.html

Why disable it if it isn't an AV program?

I guess I will look on the AVG free forum for WD conflict.

 

[FromTheRafters]

A. It is a "service" that has nothing to do with the working of
Windows.

B. It is a Microsoft security product.

C. It has a conflict with your AVG 8.5 (warning from AVG)

Both AVG and WindowsDefender are real-time anti-spyware.
Two real-time AV quarrel.
Two firewalls (real-time) quarrel.
Two real-time AS ............

....or that's what they would like you to believe.

 

[FromTheRafters]

I guess I will look on the AVG free forum for WD conflict.

Please share with us the results, if any.

Good luck.

 

[Dustin Cook]

Why disable it if it isn't an AV program?

Depending on the software, it might misinterpret the installers actions
as a possible trojan and/or worm trying something. Same with AV
programs. You don't want anything to interfere with a legitimate
installation, right?

 

[Dustin Cook]

Please share with us the results, if any.

Good luck.

It's probably more of a generic warning. IE: If your running Norton
preinstalled, please remove it BEFORE you install AVG.

 

[tommy]

Yes, but I think it is disingenuous for these security related
programs to warn against competing anti-spyware programs unless there
actually *is* conflict between them. It seems like they are making
suggestions that result in the user removing the competition's
software for fear of conflicts that don't actually exist.

I believe that several "realtime" entities can run without conflict as
long as there aren't "on access" conflicts involved, and these vendors
(Microsoft included) use this misunderstanding of "realtime" to get
users to remove the competition's software from their system.

I got AVG8.5 free installed. WD is still on there. They both seem to be
working together.

 

[FromTheRafters]

I got AVG8.5 free installed. WD is still on there. They both seem to
be
working together.

Was there a conflict, or was it just a misunderstood cautionary note?

 

[tommy]

Was there a conflict, or was it just a misunderstood cautionary note?

looks like a misunderstood cautionary note

 

[FromTheRafters]

looks like a misunderstood cautionary note

I saw one of those in a sneak-peek at Windows Security Essentials. It
seemed to me like an intentionally easy to misunderstand cautionary note
about AV and AS (AV as conflicting and AS as needlessly "slowing down"
the computer) IIRC.

http://www.addictivetips.com/wp-con...securityessentialsinstallationready-thumb.png

 

[tommy]

I saw one of those in a sneak-peek at Windows Security Essentials. It
seemed to me like an intentionally easy to misunderstand cautionary
note
about AV and AS (AV as conflicting and AS as needlessly "slowing
down"
the computer) IIRC.

http://www.addictivetips.com/wp-con...securityessentialsinstallationready-thumb.png

I'm also concerned about WD not showing up in the add / remove list. Where
would you remove it?

 

[tommy]

http://www.addictivetips.com/wp-con...securityessentialsinstallationready-thumb.png

I'm also concerned about WD not showing up in the add / remove list.
Where
would you remove it?

I answered my own question with a google , and [ that was the exact problem
I ran into ]
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/...move-and-uninstall-windows-defender-in-vista/
You can disable it, but you can't really uninstall it like other programs
[ an advanced MS feature ]
I think this only happens in Vista, don't know if other versions show it in
add / remove

 

[tommy]

FromTheRafters wrote:



FromTheRafters wrote:

I got AVG8.5 free installed. WD is still on there. They both
seem
to
be
working together.

Was there a conflict, or was it just a misunderstood cautionary
note?

looks like a misunderstood cautionary note

I saw one of those in a sneak-peek at Windows Security Essentials.
It
seemed to me like an intentionally easy to misunderstand cautionary
note
about AV and AS (AV as conflicting and AS as needlessly "slowing
down"
the computer) IIRC.

http://www.addictivetips.com/wp-con...securityessentialsinstallationready-thumb.png

I'm also concerned about WD not showing up in the add / remove list.
Where
would you remove it?

I answered my own question with a google , and [ that was the exact
problem
I ran into ]
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/...move-and-uninstall-windows-defender-in-vista/
You can disable it, but you can't really uninstall it like other
programs [ an advanced MS feature ]
I think this only happens in Vista, don't know if other versions
show it
in
add / remove

WD does show up in my XP SP3 Add or Remove Programs list.

hmmm... thx for the info

 

[Dustin Cook]

Yes, but I think it is disingenuous for these security related programs
to warn against competing anti-spyware programs unless there actually
*is* conflict between them. It seems like they are making suggestions
that result in the user removing the competition's software for fear of
conflicts that don't actually exist.

It's generally considered bad practice to have more than one resident
scanner active at the same time. The chance of system conflict and issues
is high and you aren't gaining a double layer of security for your
efforts.

I believe that several "realtime" entities can run without conflict as
long as there aren't "on access" conflicts involved, and these vendors
(Microsoft included) use this misunderstanding of "realtime" to get
users to remove the competition's software from their system.

Again, it's generally not a good idea to run several resident scanners at
the same time. Having several for scan when you want only is fine, but
only one should be resident.