Are Seagates drive no good any more ?

[Woger]

A few months ago hade a 500g Freeagent last just a few days, I now install a
ST3500320AS 10 days ago, now I am getting funny noises and XP lockups now
and again, and problems booting, lockups or delays, ran the Win SeaTools,
ran 5 short DST tests had one fail, trying a Long DST test.


Is this normal now and are we asking to much for such large drives.?

Are their any better drives..?


Like WD or Samsung..

or a better way to test this drive, SeaTools to me is utter crap, I found out
when testing the faulty Freeagent drive..

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

A few months ago hade a 500g Freeagent last just a few days,
I now install a ST3500320AS 10 days ago, now I am getting
funny noises and XP lockups now and again, and problems
booting, lockups or delays, ran the Win SeaTools, ran
5 short DST tests had one fail, trying a Long DST test.

Is this normal now

No, not even for Seagate.

and are we asking to much for such large drives.?

Nope, none of mine have got that result.

Are their any better drives..?
Yep.

Like WD or Samsung..

I prefer Samsun myself.

or a better way to test this drive,

You can do a long SMART test.

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote



No, not even for Seagate.


Nope, none of mine have got that result.


I prefer Samsun myself.


You can do a long SMART test.

SMART does not work on Seagate drives as it Propriety info, only Seagate can
read it..

Unless you are referring to the Internal DST test, I have done one long one.

I have had Seagate drives giving bad results from New and giving the same
results many years later.



Plus the Drive has SMART Turned off...??

 

[Yousuf Khan]

SMART does not work on Seagate drives as it Propriety info, only Seagate can
read it..

Unless you are referring to the Internal DST test, I have done one long one.

I have had Seagate drives giving bad results from New and giving the same
results many years later.



Plus the Drive has SMART Turned off...??

Is this an internal or external drive? If it's external then you might
want to try HD Sentinel, it can read the SMART info off of many external
drives.

Yousuf Khan

 

[mscotgrove]

Is this an internal or external drive? If it's external then you might
want to try HD Sentinel, it can read the SMART info off of many external
drives.

        Yousuf Khan

A significant number of 3.5" drives I have seen requiring data
recovery have been Seagate (250GB or larger).

This either means they are selling in higher numbers than other
drives, or are less reliable, or I am not seeing a typical cross
section.

Michael

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

SMART does not work on Seagate drives as it Propriety info, only Seagate can read it..

Thats just plain wrong. Everest etc can do SMART fine on seagate internal drives.

Unless you are referring to the Internal DST test,
Nope.

I have done one long one.

I have had Seagate drives giving bad results from New
and giving the same results many years later.

Havent bothered with Seagate drives for a long time now, none made in china.

Plus the Drive has SMART Turned off...??

That just affects whether the bios checks the smart status at boot time.

Doesnt affect the long SMART test.

 

[Arno]

A few months ago hade a 500g Freeagent last just a few days, I now
install a ST3500320AS 10 days ago, now I am getting funny noises and
XP lockups now and again, and problems booting, lockups or delays,
ran the Win SeaTools, ran 5 short DST tests had one fail, trying a
Long DST test.

A fail, regardless of short or long, is a very bad sign. I would
not trust this drive anymore.

Is this normal now and are we asking to much for such large drives.?
No.

Are their any better drives..?
Like WD or Samsung..

It sems Seagate is currently the worst quality leader. This changes
every few years and I suspect it is a management issue, not a
technological one. Seagate moved manufacturing to China some time
ago with the (sad to say) expected consequences. My current advice
is to stay clear of Seagate. Samsung has a very good track record
over the past years, Hitachi has recoverd and is good again, WD
is still a bit incompatible, but is also reliable.

I expect that as soon as Seagate gets its act together again,
one of the others will mess up and "optimize" manufacturing just
a bit too much.

or a better way to test this drive, SeaTools to me is utter crap, I
found out when testing the faulty Freeagent drive..

Any reasonable SMART tool. Personally I use the smartmontools,
some people like Everest. The free version of Hard Disk Sentinel
(http://www.hdsentinel.com/usbharddisks.php) is also pretty nice.

Arno

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote


Thats just plain wrong. Everest etc can do SMART fine on seagate internal drives.



Havent bothered with Seagate drives for a long time now, none made in china.


That just affects whether the bios checks the smart status at boot time.

Doesnt affect the long SMART test.

Windows SeaTools shows it as being Disabled but not on another fitted Seagate
Drive..

This is a Internal SATA Drive.

So how can I turn SMART back on..?

 

[Rod Speed]

Windows SeaTools shows it as being Disabled but not on another fitted
Seagate Drive..

This is a Internal SATA Drive.

So how can I turn SMART back on..?

I'd see what Everest has to say, it may well just be SeaTools ****ing up.

 

[Woger]

I'd see what Everest has to say, it may well just be SeaTools ****ing up.

Well to 3 Long Tests one Generics one DST and one long DOS shows that the
drive is OK..

But this online test give only 92% on a drive that has 5 day on its clock a
much older WD 120g with some 300day shows 99%, a 120g Seagate drive with
some 800 day has lower SMART readings than the new 500g drive with 5 days..

http://www.hddstatus.com/hdrepanalysis.php

Hard Disk Sentinel shows all drives are OK..

I have been a bit worried about my Enermax PSU as its Rated at 495W as I was
getting problems when I was trying to clear up a 40g Seagate for sale the
other day.

The Nvidia 7900GS AGP the XFX Manual just states 350W, this is very
misleading as its not taking into account what else you have in the Box, I
have a Number of Fans a Augity 2 sound card, 3 Hard Drives and 3 CD/DVD
Drives, Floppy and a Zip drive.


The PSU has twin 18A 12V lines but I have read that the 7900GS needs 20A..

Problem in a lot of PSU just up the 5V amps and not the 12V, they are using
outdated info..

Even the 600W Enermax PSU still only lists 12V 18A x 2

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

Well to 3 Long Tests one Generics one DST
and one long DOS shows that the drive is OK..

But this online test give only 92% on a drive that has 5 day
on its clock a much older WD 120g with some 300day shows
99%, a 120g Seagate drive with some 800 day has lower
SMART readings than the new 500g drive with 5 days..

http://www.hddstatus.com/hdrepanalysis.php

I've never believed what that says.

Hard Disk Sentinel shows all drives are OK..

And I dont bother with OKs either.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

I have been a bit worried about my Enermax PSU as its
Rated at 495W as I was getting problems when I was
trying to clear up a 40g Seagate for sale the other day.

The Nvidia 7900GS AGP the XFX Manual just states 350W,
this is very misleading as its not taking into account what else
you have in the Box, I have a Number of Fans a Augity 2 sound
card, 3 Hard Drives and 3 CD/DVD Drives, Floppy and a Zip drive.

Should be fine.

The PSU has twin 18A 12V lines but I have read that the 7900GS needs 20A..

Problem in a lot of PSU just up the 5V amps and not the 12V, they are using outdated info..

Even the 600W Enermax PSU still only lists 12V 18A x 2

Both are fine, 18Ax2 is 36A

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote




I've never believed what that says.


And I dont bother with OKs either.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181



Should be fine.




Both are fine, 18Ax2 is 36A

No the 485W is Rated 32A for the 12V and 35A for the 600W not 2 x 18A

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote




I've never believed what that says.


And I dont bother with OKs either.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Here it is


--------[ SMART
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ST3500320AS (9QMARQ8C) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 117 99 118131598 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 95 94 0 OK:
Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 64 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 65 60 3309570 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 131 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 100 100 73 OK:
Value is normal
B8 <vendor-specific> 99 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
BB <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BC <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BD <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 45 74 66 437125146 OK:
Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 26 40 26 OK:
Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 42 30 118131598 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing

[ WDC WD1200BB-00DWA0 (WD-WMAEL1692668) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 157 152 2658 OK:
Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 99 99 1531 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 82 82 13304 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1531 OK:
Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 126 253 24 OK:
Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0 OK:
Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0 OK:
Value is normal

[ ST3120026A (3JT1N9QA) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 55 51 185108092 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 99 96 0 OK:
Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 19 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 84 60 246071014 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 76 76 21059 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 97 97 3704 OK:
Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 28 40 28 OK:
Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 55 50 185108092 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0 OK:
Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0 OK:
Always passing

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote

This Report below was from the Online SMART test of SpeedFan.

I've never believed what that says.


And I dont bother with OKs either.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

--------[ SMART
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ST3500320AS (9QMARQ8C) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 117 99 118131598 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 95 94 0 OK:
Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 64 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 65 60 3309570 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 131 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 100 100 73 OK:
Value is normal
B8 <vendor-specific> 99 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
BB <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BC <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BD <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 45 74 66 437125146 OK:
Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 26 40 26 OK:
Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 42 30 118131598 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing

[ WDC WD1200BB-00DWA0 (WD-WMAEL1692668) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 157 152 2658 OK:
Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 99 99 1531 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 82 82 13304 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1531 OK:
Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 126 253 24 OK:
Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0 OK:
Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0 OK:
Value is normal

[ ST3120026A (3JT1N9QA) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 55 51 185108092 OK:
Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 99 96 0 OK:
Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 19 OK:
Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 84 60 246071014 OK:
Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 76 76 21059 OK:
Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0 OK:
Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 97 97 3704 OK:
Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 28 40 28 OK:
Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 55 50 185108092 OK:
Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK:
Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK:
Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0 OK:
Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0 OK:
Always passing

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

This Report below was from the Online SMART test of SpeedFan.

Looks more like an Everest report.

--------[ SMART

[ ST3500320AS (9QMARQ8C) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 117 99 118131598
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 95 94 0
OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 64
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 65 60 3309570
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 131
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 100 100 73
OK: Value is normal
B8 <vendor-specific> 99 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
BB <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BC <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BD <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 45 74 66 437125146
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 26 40 26
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 42 30 118131598
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing

[ WDC WD1200BB-00DWA0 (WD-WMAEL1692668) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 157 152 2658
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 99 99 1531
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 82 82 13304
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1531
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 126 253 24
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0
OK: Value is normal

[ ST3120026A (3JT1N9QA) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 55 51 185108092
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 99 96 0
OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 19
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 84 60 246071014
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 76 76 21059
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 97 97 3704
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 28 40 28
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 55 50 185108092
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing

The drives are fine.

SeaTools must be a steaming turd, like you said.

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

No the 485W is Rated 32A for the 12V and 35A for the 600W not 2 x 18A

Still a lot more than 20A.

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

Here it is

--------[ SMART

[ ST3500320AS (9QMARQ8C) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 117 99 118131598
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 95 94 0
OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 64
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 65 60 3309570
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 131
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 100 100 73
OK: Value is normal
B8 <vendor-specific> 99 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
BB <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BC <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BD <vendor-specific> 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 45 74 66 437125146
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 26 40 26
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 42 30 118131598
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing

That drive is fine.

[ WDC WD1200BB-00DWA0 (WD-WMAEL1692668) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 157 152 2658
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 99 99 1531
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 82 82 13304
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1531
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 126 253 24
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0
OK: Value is normal

That drive is fine too.

[ ST3120026A (3JT1N9QA) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 55 51 185108092
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 99 96 0
OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 19
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 84 60 246071014
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 76 76 21059
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 97 97 3704
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 28 40 28
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 55 50 185108092
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing

That drive is fine too.

SeaTools must be a steaming turd as you said.

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote

Some things of Interest..

Hard Drive Inspector list these 3 Drives

The new 10 days old 500g one as 95%

a 300 day old WD 120g as 100%


And the 800 days old 120g Seagate as 97%


So how come my New drives is so low, plus the Speedfan web sites list this
new drive as 92%


Some thing most don't know, only one test program support SMART Testing of
USB Drives, has a large range of Known USB Bridges.


That is Hard Disk Sentinel.

Speedfan NO.

Hard Drive Inspector NO

ActiveSMARTUSB only a few USB drives not Seagate..

EVEREST Home No.

 

[Woger]

Woger wrote


Still a lot more than 20A.

Yes but the CPU is around 90w Plus all the Drives and 5 Fans

 

[Rod Speed]

Woger wrote

Some things of Interest..

Hard Drive Inspector list these 3 Drives

The new 10 days old 500g one as 95%

Its just getting confused by the unusual way the Seagate SMART reports are done.

a 300 day old WD 120g as 100%

And the 800 days old 120g Seagate as 97%

So how come my New drives is so low,

Hard Drive Inspector is a steaming turd.

plus the Speedfan web sites list this new drive as 92%

Thats also a steaming turd given the SMART report.

They are both confused by the Seagate SMART data which
lists perfectly normal data differently to other manufacturers.

Some thing most don't know,

Its been discussed here extensively in the past.

only one test program support SMART Testing of
USB Drives, has a large range of Known USB Bridges.

That is Hard Disk Sentinel.

Speedfan NO.

Hard Drive Inspector NO

ActiveSMARTUSB only a few USB drives not Seagate..

EVEREST Home No.

The latest Everest does.