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People think MVP is actually based on 'real' knowledge, understanding, or
even technical achievement. It is not, and can be something as simple as
being a forum nerd that responds to 1000s of posts repeating other people's
answers, with no understanding themselves.

I would trust a first year computer engineer student over 99% of people with
MVP tags.

I have taught classes for everything from A+ to most Microsoft Certification
Exams and people would be shocked at the people that are able to pass these
tests based on luck and mediocre understanding of the topic. A good test
taker or someone that can regurgitate information does not mean they
'understand' the material. So beyond MVP, even an MSCE or A+ certified tag
for someone can be quite misleading.
 
And sadly, Leo's technical knowledge or understanding is on the lower end of
computer tech community. He is a good guy with a great personality, but not
an indepth tech by any stretch of imagination. Even he used to admit this
openly.

BTW Some of us actually even 'know' Chris, he wasn't born with a mouse in
his hand, nor is he a 'geek'. At best he is a good TV personality and part
time journalist; he is not a geek nor a a technical OS engineer, even though
he pretends to be.
 
So beyond MVP, even an MSCE or A+ certified tag
for someone can be quite misleading.
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In the industry, when a person states I'm an MCSE or A+ or MCT, I tend to
put their resume on the bottom of the pile or give them less value than
people that are not MCSE's...

Every MCSE I've tested/interviewed was worthless, and that matches most of
the MS certifications that I've seen. Most people with CISCO Certs are
worth what they appear to have on paper.
 
Knowledge and Experience are two very distinct/different things.

Certifications are easily purchased, Experience cannot be. A 1st
year Engineering student may have knowledge but it's doubtful he
or she has much "Hands-On" experience.
Which is better:
1.) Someone who knows the theory and says "It Should Work"
2.) Someone who actually has worked on/with a product and
knows the "Ins-&-Outs" of how it really functions.
One is knowledgeable the other has the "Experience"
 
People think MVP is actually based on 'real' knowledge, understanding, or
even technical achievement. It is not, and can be something as simple as
being a forum nerd that responds to 1000s of posts repeating other people's
answers, with no understanding themselves.

I would trust a first year computer engineer student over 99% of people with
MVP tags.

I have taught classes for everything from A+ to most Microsoft Certification
Exams and people would be shocked at the people that are able to pass these
tests based on luck and mediocre understanding of the topic. A good test
taker or someone that can regurgitate information does not mean they
'understand' the material. So beyond MVP, even an MSCE or A+ certified tag
for someone can be quite misleading.
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Bingo!
 
TheNetAvenger said:
Actually there are fixes and simple ways around the 'issues' he is
using as examples.
True Geeks know this, and also know why this guy is either a moron or
lying.
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You could not be more wrong. Yes some issues can be fixed but many
cannot yet, but it's al lbesdie the point. The author of that article
was makign the point of how it was out of the box. He wasn't writing a
how-to on how to make Vista tolerable. His whole central point was about
Vista and it's lackings and hiw experience with it.

So stop spinning just because you can't except Microsoft screwed
somethings up.
 
R. McCarty said:
Knowledge and Experience are two very distinct/different things.

Certifications are easily purchased, Experience cannot be. A 1st
year Engineering student may have knowledge but it's doubtful he
or she has much "Hands-On" experience.
Which is better:
1.) Someone who knows the theory and says "It Should Work"
2.) Someone who actually has worked on/with a product and
knows the "Ins-&-Outs" of how it really functions.
One is knowledgeable the other has the "Experience"
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You forget an important factor, though. When I came to study various
computer science courses, I came in with several years of expierence
under my belt... I've been around computers since I was 5, the technical
side of which since highschool.

Point being, a first year student or graduate might have plenty of
hands-on, it depends on their history with the field. Actually people
who had prior hands-on ddi much better in that school than the people
expecting to learn all about computers but had little to no experience
what so ever (the people who usually asked the rest of us for help :) )
 
Saucy said:
Like I said ..
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Thank you for "chopping" out the part of my post that describes what is
really going on... nice to know wehre you stand, mate.
 
Clenna Lumina said:
Thank you for "chopping" out the part of my post that describes what is
really going on... nice to know wehre you stand, mate.
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I sort have heard all these things before: Win98/2000/XP/XP SP1/XP SP2. The
world will end, it will flop, it's a disaster and so on every time a new OS
[or even a service pack] comes out. Funnily enough, once the 3rd party
drivers / software get rolling most of it dies down and things get back to
normal. It will be pretty the same with Vista.
 
Saucy said:
Clenna Lumina said:
Thank you for "chopping" out the part of my post that describes what is
really going on... nice to know wehre you stand, mate.
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I sort have heard all these things before: Win98/2000/XP/XP SP1/XP SP2.
The world will end, it will flop, it's a disaster and so on every time a
new OS
[or even a service pack] comes out. Funnily enough, once the 3rd party
drivers / software get rolling most of it dies down and things get back to
normal. It will be pretty the same with Vista.
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No, it won't because Vista is different with it's super intrusive anti
piracy programs and DRM crap all over it. Vista is the beginning of the end
for Microsoft. Live with it.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
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No, it won't because Vista is different with it's super intrusive anti
piracy programs and DRM crap all over it. Vista is the beginning of the end
for Microsoft. Live with it.

Alias
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There is a big difference between being a wise old man and just another
old fool.
Frank
 
Chris Pirillo, Leo Laport and all those other has-beens from the old
days of Tech TV are hardly people I'd want to trust to tell me what
their experiences are. I used to watch their shows with my wife and
laugh and the lame technical advice they'd give people. I can't
believe how many times he told people that reinstalling Windows would
fix all their problems. Just reading Chris' commentary shows he's an
idiot -- even Microsoft has been open in telling people that some
hardware might not have working drivers available yet.
 
Synapse Syndrome said:
Why don't you go into the Reliability Monitor and save the .xml file and
attach it here. Then you will have proved how reliable you find
Vista<SP1. You must have a lot of application failures, just like
everybody else, unless you don't use the built-in apps at all.
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No answer??

ss.
 
Another prediction of mine is coming true.. the geeks of all the world (who
really know everything about computers, not like the wannabe's and EM VEE
PEE(MVP) sheep in here) will see right through vistas glass, and see the
trash!

From Chris Pirillo himself.. geek king... and friend....
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ROFLMAO. Anyone else wondering how big the cheque was that he got?
 
Another prediction of mine is coming true.. the geeks of all the world (who
really know everything about computers, not like the wannabe's and EM VEE
PEE(MVP) sheep in here) will see right through vistas glass, and see the
trash!

From Chris Pirillo himself.. geek king... and friend....

http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/02/27/windows-vista-im-breaking-up-with-you/

Windows Vista: I'm Breaking up with You
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In a true Linux Zealot stylee.

YOU SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THE ****ING HARDWARE WAS SUPPORTED.
 
In a true Linux Zealot stylee.

YOU SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THE ****ING HARDWARE WAS SUPPORTED.
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Another Microsoft shill. This newsgroup is infested with them.
 
Synapse Syndrome said:
No answer??

ss.
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Yes, but I'm busy. It's not like I put answering trolls at the top of my
priority list. I looked at my Reliability Monitor and there was one set of
errors - which I would have expected - from when I attempted a number of
times to apply a patch to an encoder - otherwise : NONE.
 
Frank said:
Alias wrote:
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There is a big difference between being a wise old man and just
another old fool.
Frank
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If he is a fool, then so are all the other folks in the tech sector who
refuse to go with Vista at all.

Just becuase you may not like "Alias" doens't mena he is wrong about
everything he says. Vista is just plain a move in the wrong direction.
Microsoft basically promised an entirely new operating system. Instead
we get another windows rehash, with a nice optional skin/gui. Like any
of the Windows before it, it's been tweaked and modified here and there,
but in the end it's Windows. Windows with a lot of unnecessay DRM and
the like.

You can put lip stick on a pig, but at the end of the day it's still a
pig. Yes, some pigs are clean, slim animals, it's the one that are over
fed and kept around mud that gave 'em a bad name. Sound familiar?
 
Inkblot said:
Chris Pirillo, Leo Laport and all those other has-beens from the old
days of Tech TV are hardly people I'd want to trust to tell me what
their experiences are.
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1) They've obviously bene at this for some time. I'm not all that keen
on their overall level of knowledge, but I have seen a little bit of
screen savers and they seemed to usually be correct about questions and
things they discussed.

2) Tech TV is no more, it was absorbed into "G4" and completely non
existant now. They had soem good people. It's sad when a good channel
gets bought out and ruined.
 
Saran said:
If he is a fool, then so are all the other folks in the tech sector who
refuse to go with Vista at all.

Just becuase you may not like "Alias" doens't mena he is wrong about
everything he says. Vista is just plain a move in the wrong direction.
Microsoft basically promised an entirely new operating system. Instead we
get another windows rehash, with a nice optional skin/gui. Like any of the
Windows before it, it's been tweaked and modified here and there, but in
the end it's Windows. Windows with a lot of unnecessay DRM and the like.

You can put lip stick on a pig, but at the end of the day it's still a
pig. Yes, some pigs are clean, slim animals, it's the one that are over
fed and kept around mud that gave 'em a bad name. Sound familiar?
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Now, now!

Alias and I don't get along but I would NEVER say anything like that about
him!
 
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