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Thanks for all the information and advice. I especially like the coment that
the definition of what constitutes the same computer should be whatever is in
the original case. That was certainly my intent when I built my computer. The
whole reason for building my own was to select the exact components I wanted
and then to be able to replace them one at a time as either the technology
improved or when components failed. This box has 4 hard drives now
(originally 2)and they are not the original ones. The CD/DVD writers have
been changed several times. The only thing that would make me start over
completely from scratch would be if a new form factor replaced ATX.
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Assuming that that link is valid .... Let's qualify that, shall we? ;-}
Name one *relevant* court.... Find one from an English speaking country,
so we can know if the decisions you cite even apply.

It's not my fault you don't understand Spanish. You can get someone to
translate it for you, use Babelfish or hire a proper translator. I can
assure you, however, that MS' scammy EULA is NOT acceptable here and fair
usage IS. Nor is the hardware tie to an OEM acceptable here, which is why I
can buy them without buying a mouse like at WalMart.
Anyway, I really don't care what the socialist, anti-business courts of
the EU think. Their decisions will only apply in Europe, and that's not a
significant market, anymore.
Bruce Chambers

400 million people isn't significant ???? More than the USA has and we have
Euros that are far more valuable than the dollar. The dollar is a check
written on an account that is TRILLIONS of dollars overdrawn. Every time I
look at a computer parts web site, the price in euros goes down.

Alias
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Tom wrote:




I've never said anything other than this regarding upgrading a computer
with an OEM license. I have pointed out that some OEM installations -
primarily those using a BIOS-locking mechanism - cannot be transferred to
a new motherboard, but that's a technical issue, not a licensing issue.



What you changed up, was using this explanation from another post as opposed
to what you said in this thread (here is the link, either get a better news
reader, or stop avoiding purposefully your own words):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/0019b9c524b8b780
The EULA is not "unsubstantiated, and my position that computers with OEM
licenses can be upgraded is not contrary to the OEM EULA.

Then show me the court ruling on this!
(The link you provided led no where, so I can't see where you're getting
your misconception from.)

See above.
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Assuming that that link is valid .... Let's qualify that, shall we? ;-}
Name one *relevant* court.... Find one from an English speaking country,
so we can know if the decisions you cite even apply

So, only English speaking qualify!
Anyway, I really don't care what the socialist, anti-business courts of
the EU think. Their decisions will only apply in Europe, and that's not a
significant market, anymore.

Interesting remark, if not made from the heart of a jingoist. Europe is a
major market, or their monetary influence on the US dollar wouldn't amount
to much (note how the EURO is becoming the currency of choice in the world,
which may kill the US), so you must not read much about the market place and
monetary exchanges. In any case, MS sure bowed down to the EU when they are
being forced to remove WMP (as well as other integral part of Windows) as
part of an agreement with them to allow more of a choice to what can be used
as default in Windows for apps.

It was either change, or they would lose the market, the US could learn a
thing or two from the EU when it considers how customers should be treated.
 
Tom said:
What you changed up, was using this explanation from another post as opposed
to what you said in this thread (here is the link, either get a better news
reader, or stop avoiding purposefully your own words):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/0019b9c524b8b780

That's no change. You're confusing a technical issue with a matter of
licensing.

Then show me the court ruling on this!

Procd, Inc. v. Zeidenberg
http://www.law.emory.edu/7circuit/june96/96-1139.html





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Bruce Chambers wrote:
| Alias wrote:
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|| Here are a bunch of them:
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|| http://www.bufetalmeida.com/sentencias/sentencias.html
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|| Alias
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| Assuming that that link is valid .... Let's qualify that, shall we?
| ;-} Name one *relevant* court.... Find one from an English speaking
| country, so we can know if the decisions you cite even apply.
|
| Anyway, I really don't care what the socialist, anti-business courts
| of the EU think. Their decisions will only apply in Europe, and
| that's not a significant market, anymore.

lWow !!! You sure are an _ostrich_
 
Tom said:
So, only English speaking qualify!


For the purposes of this discussion, certainly. I've no practical way
of knowing whether Alias posted links to relevant court decisions or to
his favorite gazpacho recipes. On-line translators are virtually
useless, except for translating the occasional single word or short
phrase, and this discussion hardly warrants the expenditure of personal
funds, only to learn that he may have taken a page out of his hero's
book and posted something completely irrelevant.


Interesting remark, if not made from the heart of a jingoist. Europe is a
major market,


Depends upon one's perspective.
or their monetary influence on the US dollar wouldn't amount
to much (note how the EURO is becoming the currency of choice in the world,
which may kill the US), so you must not read much about the market place and
monetary exchanges.


Only enough to recognize this claim as utterly false.

In any case, MS sure bowed down to the EU when they are
being forced to remove WMP (as well as other integral part of Windows) as
part of an agreement with them to allow more of a choice to what can be used
as default in Windows for apps.


Microsoft settled, for now, true. But don't expect the trend to
continue indefinitely. The farther down the road of negating the
intellectual property rights of software developers the EU goes, the
fewer companies there will be that will be willing to give away the
products of their labors. And such European court decisions rather tend
to prove my point: if European companies were able to compete with
Microsoft on a technical level, they wouldn't need to resort to the
courts to keep themselves in business.

It was either change, or they would lose the market, the US could learn a
thing or two from the EU when it considers how customers should be treated.


Oh, we have our fringe political parties that are trying to follow the
European model of erasing all individual rights, freedoms and
responsibilities, and placing every decision in the hands of the
government. Fortunately, they're not making very much progress here, as
yet.


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Bruce said:
That's no change. You're confusing a technical issue with a matter of
licensing.



Procd, Inc. v. Zeidenberg
http://www.law.emory.edu/7circuit/june96/96-1139.html

That upheld shrink-wrap license terms in general, not MS's specific OEM
terms.

Also that was about someone repackaging a database for resale to other.
Apples and oranges when it comes to the private non-commerical use terms
in MS's EULA.

Under contract law, not only does the contactor have to get a court to
agree to uphold the terms, but also has to prove that they lost
something due to the terms being breached.

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Bruce Chambers said:
That's no change. You're confusing a technical issue with a matter of
licensing.

I did not confuse anything, and you're now looking like a liar! You threw in
the OEM terms in the post, while explaining the technical aspects of BIOS
locking, or whatever other technical aspects of OEMs. You felt the need to
add said terms, I hit on that. The fact that I stated such, and then pointed
out to you to forget the technical aspect, is on you, since you felt an
uncontrollable need to add OEM rules (to your technical explanation), which
wasn't needed on your part to make the explanation.

Again, show me where this directly applies to MS getting a court ruling
regarding the terms of their licenses, this has nothing to do with that.
 
Bruce Chambers said:
For the purposes of this discussion, certainly. I've no practical way of
knowing whether Alias posted links to relevant court decisions or to his
favorite gazpacho recipes. On-line translators are virtually useless,
except for translating the occasional single word or short phrase, and
this discussion hardly warrants the expenditure of personal funds, only to
learn that he may have taken a page out of his hero's book and posted
something completely irrelevant.





Depends upon one's perspective.

What, you think only the US has the major market of the world, or do you not
read news events, or follow trends. Looking out of your window and
pretending there's nothing there, is no way to live life. Or maybe you need
to stop looking out of (a) Window(s).
Only enough to recognize this claim as utterly false.

LOL, you really don't follow news, or did you not read where S. Korea is
thinking of dumping the US dollar as the currency of choice, since the
dollar value is waning, and how do you think that would affect the US
deficit, which is supported and funded by foreign governments that buy US
treasury debt. China even hinted it may dump a good chunk of the US treasury
notes, and that country funds 60% of out deficit buying our money (our
biggest creditor). S. Korea supports 12% of our deficit (our 5th largest
creditor).

Lest, we do something about the deficit, it may kill us economically.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aLfGDbdOE.Ew&refer=home

Read relevant links here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/22/34834/2177
Microsoft settled, for now, true. But don't expect the trend to continue
indefinitely. The farther down the road of negating the intellectual
property rights of software developers the EU goes, the fewer companies
there will be that will be willing to give away the products of their
labors. And such European court decisions rather tend to prove my point:
if European companies were able to compete with Microsoft on a technical
level, they wouldn't need to resort to the courts to keep themselves in
business.

LOL, MS has the market of the world Bruce, or do you not see that, and they
use there marketing tactics, as the EULA for one thing, as a means to keep
that share. MS needs to think about what would happens if countries decided
that they are too monopolistic, and let another have its way, no matter the
cost. I actually think that Europe is giving MS a chance to foster real
competition, because if MS add-ons were so great, people wouldn't be asking
for other choices, now would they?
Oh, we have our fringe political parties that are trying to follow the
European model of erasing all individual rights, freedoms and
responsibilities, and placing every decision in the hands of the
government. Fortunately, they're not making very much progress here, as
yet.

You use the term "fringe" incorrectly here, but I take it you ascribe to
simplistic mainstream thinking, and are limited to anything that may foster
good change. Countries in Europe do have strict laws protecting individual
rights, freedoms, etc, whereas here, they are being stripped on almost a
daily basis, with little or no protection of privacy from our own
government. We have so much religion dictating what government should allow
and disallow here, it should just be called a theocarcy instead of
Democracy.

Not only that, you have MS wanting to tell others what they can and cannot
do, in the privacies of their own homes, with things they purchase from
them.
 
Tom said:
Not only that, you have MS wanting to tell others what they can and cannot
do, in the privacies of their own homes, with things they purchase from
them.

Kinda like a dildo dealer insisting that it only be used in one orifice per
licence.

Alias
 
Alias said:
Kinda like a dildo dealer insisting that it only be used in one orifice
per licence.

Alias

LOL! I'd like to see the criteria on how that rule would be enforced :-).
 
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