ANN: Babya Discoverer 8

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Alastair Smeaton

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:20:02 +1000, "A.A. Fussy"


absolute bollocks Fussy

1) your top posting means that my reader, set up properly, misses out
your reply

2) you ask for advice on free hosting of files - you can't afford a
small account ? Maybe you should have saved your money from the recent
"Babya expo" where you launched your wonderful programmes - maybe then
you could have a site where files can be downloaded.

You bum up your programmes, nominate them for pricelessware without
declaring yourself as the author, and talk fantasy about babya expos
and "igniting the desktop revolution" (or whatever it was)

If you are serious, ask in this group, listen to advice given - for
example, set up a free account with an isp, use their small web
allowance, and list your programmes with descriptions - then either
agree to email them to people, or to upload them to
alt.binaries.freeware

above suggestions not perfect - not everyone can get this newsgroup,
and is a manual solution, but better than fantasy language and no-one
actually seeing the programmes.

You had some way of allowing access to your programmes last year - I
and others had a try at your desktop replacement, and it was awful
then - if it is better now, perhaps think more carefully about how you
draw attention to it and let others try it out.

sorry if I started off negatively - the "Babya expo" nonsense did it
for me :)
 
A

A.A. Fussy

At the Babya Expo, today Babya Software Group announced the next all new
version of its web browser :Babya Discoverer 8.

New in Version 8:

Tabbed interface,task panes, note taker

Babya Discoverer 8 will be available next week

Babya Software Group ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution
in 2001 with the popular Babya System with its bDesktop. Since then Babya
Software Group has released over 10 new programs each year.
http://babyasystem.portal.dk3.com/
Freeware

And here's a screenshot of it:
http://www.nxsupport.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1501
 
A

Alastair Smeaton

For now I could upload to alt.biniaries.freeware.
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Trust you - address the suggestion I made, but not the criticism

and quit with the ****ing babya expo will ya - you are rapidly
becoming a laughing stock !
 
A

Alastair Smeaton

About 68 signed up members at my portal
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Your "portal" - to what - a site which cannot host files, does not
point to the most recent versions of your "software".

Get a life
 
J

John Corliss

A.A. Fussy said:
At the Babya Expo, today Babya Software Group announced the next all new
version of its web browser :Babya Discoverer 8.

New in Version 8:

Tabbed interface,task panes, note taker

Babya Discoverer 8 will be available next week

Babya Software Group ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution
in 2001 with the popular Babya System with its bDesktop. Since then Babya
Software Group has released over 10 new programs each year.
Click to expand...

Can you point me to a listing of them with descriptions?
http://babyasystem.portal.dk3.com/
Freeware

And here's a screenshot of it:
http://www.nxsupport.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1501
Click to expand...

Why don't you hold off on announcing it until it's released?
 
A

A.A. Fussy

It's ready, but I usually announce it forst to generate interest in it. Any
free places for storing files that can be linked to other websites?
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

Babya Software Group ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution
in 2001 with the popular Babya System with its bDesktop. Since then Babya
Software Group has released over 10 new programs each year.
http://babyasystem.portal.dk3.com/
Click to expand...

Heh. "ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution" might be
something of an overstatement. "Fizzled out quietly after attracting
a flood of adverse comment" might be closer to the truth.
 
A

A.A. Fussy

Semolina Pilchard said:
<snip>

Heh. "ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution" might be
something of an overstatement. "Fizzled out quietly after attracting
a flood of adverse comment" might be closer to the truth.
Click to expand...

No-that's our press release end text.
 
J

John Corliss

A.A. Fussy said:
It's ready, but I usually announce it forst to generate interest in it. Any
free places for storing files that can be linked to other websites?
Click to expand...

You might not want to do that here. This group has a long history of
being very skeptical about vaporware. As for the free storage, I can't
help you there. I don't run a freeware site, but I'm sure somebody
else in this group can help you.
 
J

John

Semolina said:
Heh. "ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution" might be
something of an overstatement. "Fizzled out quietly after attracting
a flood of adverse comment" might be closer to the truth.
Click to expand...
Another Fussy nom de plume. The boy learned early how to avoid the ban
syndrome. He even went so far as to enlist a proxy server when he was
hogging the forum at Shellcity...he,he...."Babya Software Group"..last I
looked a group was more than one.
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

No-that's our press release end text.
Click to expand...

No argument there ;-)

I felt that in my previous post on this subject I had perhaps been a
little hasty. Yes, bDesktop went down like a lead balloon in the
replacement shell community, but it's been some time since I tried it.
Let's try it again.

That's extraordinarily difficult to do, as most of the download trails
wind up in a blind alley. Eventually, I found
InstallBabyaSystem2004.exe at sourceforge.net. It installed but the
desktop would not run, giving the following reason for failure:

"Unable to execute file: C:\Program Files\Babya Software Group\Babya
Software System 2004\Desktop.exe

Create Process failed; Code 14001. This application failed because
the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the
application may fix the problem."

It didn't.

Okay, thought I, perhaps it doesn't want to install on top of
Litestep, though that would make it unique in my experience.

Uninstall. Revert to explorer.exe. Reinstall. Same result.

I was able to run some of the utility programs such as the picture
viewer, clock and calculator. They work, to an extent, but are
minimalist to an unparalleled degree!

It uninstalled cleanly; the uninstaller is the best part of the
program.

I have no wish to be unkind, Mr. Fussy, but what you have here is
pre-pre-alpha. This didn't "ignite the free desktop shell replacement
revolution in 2001" and it won't in 2004. Spend a lot less time on
self-promotion and a lot more on your programs and you may have
something that computer users will be interested in some day. The
creators of Litestep, GeoShell, BlackBox, LiteShell and a host of
other excellent free shell replacement programs that actually WORK are
not shaking in their shoes just yet.
 
A

A.A. Fussy

Alastair Smeaton said:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:20:02 +1000, "A.A. Fussy"


absolute bollocks Fussy

1) your top posting means that my reader, set up properly, misses out
your reply

2) you ask for advice on free hosting of files - you can't afford a
small account ? Maybe you should have saved your money from the recent
"Babya expo" where you launched your wonderful programmes - maybe then
you could have a site where files can be downloaded.

You bum up your programmes, nominate them for pricelessware without
declaring yourself as the author, and talk fantasy about babya expos
and "igniting the desktop revolution" (or whatever it was)

If you are serious, ask in this group, listen to advice given - for
example, set up a free account with an isp, use their small web
allowance, and list your programmes with descriptions - then either
agree to email them to people, or to upload them to
alt.binaries.freeware

above suggestions not perfect - not everyone can get this newsgroup,
and is a manual solution, but better than fantasy language and no-one
actually seeing the programmes.

You had some way of allowing access to your programmes last year - I
and others had a try at your desktop replacement, and it was awful
then - if it is better now, perhaps think more carefully about how you
draw attention to it and let others try it out.

sorry if I started off negatively - the "Babya expo" nonsense did it
for me :)
Click to expand...


For now I could upload to alt.biniaries.freeware.
 
A

A.A. Fussy

About 68 signed up members at my portal
John said:
Another Fussy nom de plume. The boy learned early how to avoid the ban
syndrome. He even went so far as to enlist a proxy server when he was
hogging the forum at Shellcity...he,he...."Babya Software Group"..last I
looked a group was more than one.
Click to expand...
 
A

A.A. Fussy

Semolina Pilchard said:
No argument there ;-)

I felt that in my previous post on this subject I had perhaps been a
little hasty. Yes, bDesktop went down like a lead balloon in the
replacement shell community, but it's been some time since I tried it.
Let's try it again.

That's extraordinarily difficult to do, as most of the download trails
wind up in a blind alley. Eventually, I found
InstallBabyaSystem2004.exe at sourceforge.net. It installed but the
desktop would not run, giving the following reason for failure:

"Unable to execute file: C:\Program Files\Babya Software Group\Babya
Software System 2004\Desktop.exe

Create Process failed; Code 14001. This application failed because
the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the
application may fix the problem."

It didn't.

Okay, thought I, perhaps it doesn't want to install on top of
Litestep, though that would make it unique in my experience.

Uninstall. Revert to explorer.exe. Reinstall. Same result.

I was able to run some of the utility programs such as the picture
viewer, clock and calculator. They work, to an extent, but are
minimalist to an unparalleled degree!

It uninstalled cleanly; the uninstaller is the best part of the
program.

I have no wish to be unkind, Mr. Fussy, but what you have here is
pre-pre-alpha. This didn't "ignite the free desktop shell replacement
revolution in 2001" and it won't in 2004. Spend a lot less time on
self-promotion and a lot more on your programs and you may have
something that computer users will be interested in some day. The
creators of Litestep, GeoShell, BlackBox, LiteShell and a host of
other excellent free shell replacement programs that actually WORK are
not shaking in their shoes just yet.
Click to expand...
You need a edited manifest file.

Just edit the bdesktop.exe. manifest file to include this-clear all the
contents in it and paste this in.Works for me:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<assembly xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1" manifestVersion="1.0">
<assemblyIdentity
version="1.0.0.0"
processorArchitecture="X86"
name=" "
type="win32"
/>
<description></description>
<dependency>
<dependentAssembly>
<assemblyIdentity
type="win32"
name="Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls"
version="6.0.0.0"
processorArchitecture="X86"
publicKeyToken="6595b64144ccf1df"
language="*"
/>
</dependentAssembly>
</dependency>
</assembly>

Also have you tried the Babya Photo Workshop Pro?
http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?19000000037114 and maybe review it here. I'm
working on version 2 announced at the Babya Expo, so any ideas are welcome.
 
J

John

A.A. Fussy said:
At the Babya Expo, today Babya Software Group announced the next all new
version of its web browser :Babya Discoverer 8.

New in Version 8:

Tabbed interface,task panes, note taker

Babya Discoverer 8 will be available next week

Babya Software Group ignited the free desktop shell replacement revolution
in 2001 with the popular Babya System with its bDesktop. Since then Babya
Software Group has released over 10 new programs each year.
http://babyasystem.portal.dk3.com/
Freeware

And here's a screenshot of it:
http://www.nxsupport.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1501
Click to expand...

Personally I liked the attendance at this years extravagant "EXPO". An
excellent buffet was enjoyed by all present. All the BS you could
handle. He,he.
 
J

John

A.A. Fussy said:
For now I could upload to alt.biniaries.freeware.
Click to expand...
Personally I liked the attendance at this years extravagant "EXPO". An
excellent buffet was enjoyed by all present. All the BS you could
handle. He,he.
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

You need a edited manifest file.
Click to expand...

It works! So far as I can see at a glance, the difference from the
default file is a change of version from 12.0.0.231 to 1.0.0.0 and the
removal of bdesktop as a description. Two questions come to mind:

What's going on there?

and

How's anyone downloading this program going to know how to fix the
file?

Having said that it works now, I almost wish it didn't. My primary
purpose for using an alternate shell is function rather than
eye-candy. That said, this has been seriously whooped with the ugly
stick. I haven't tried out the useability yet, but if I get drunk
enough at the weekend that I just don't care any more, I'll give it a
whirl.
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

Also have you tried the Babya Photo Workshop Pro?
Click to expand...

I have now. This program makes Windows Paint look like Photoshop.
Why do you bother, Mr. Fussy? Wouldn't it be better if you kept your
Elementary Windows Programming projects between your tutor and
yourself?

No more. I've had all the Babya lunacy I can suffer for this
lifetime.
 

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