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Puppy Breath
jim is so wrong it's laughable. His "vision" of the future is the exact
opposite of how things will play out. So totally cluless...
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Justin
Stephan Rose said:I can switch between desktops via the rotating cube faster than it would
take me to do it via the buttons in the taskbar with my mouse. Time to
rotate the cube included.
Like I said, some of them are useful.
You do have the small animations when opening / closing windows. Even with
those animations I can switch windows faster than in XP since they simply
respond faster than XP does with no animation at all.
The instant my finger comes off the ALT key, the wanted window is there. If
you have to wait for an effect for so much as 1 millisecond then you are
waiting longer then XP and Vista.
And as to what does it have to do with the issue at hand?
The OP wanted to create a video that crushes the vista UI. Well, this very
window right here I think does the job very nicely.
No, jim (not the OP) wanted to make a video of the exact GUI problems he's
seen in Vista in order to crush Vista.
"buy pointing out all its terrible problems"
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Stephan Rose
Justin said:Like I said, some of them are useful.
Quite =)
The instant my finger comes off the ALT key, the wanted window is there.
If you have to wait for an effect for so much as 1 millisecond then you
are waiting longer then XP and Vista.
Alt-tab switching is instantaneous. The second my finger comes off alt, it
is there.
The only animation you actually have to wait for is the animation when you
click a window on the taskbar that is *minimized*. At that point in time,
it grows outward from the taskbar to its full size. Finishes before I can
even begin moving my mouse pointer after clicking the button so doesn't
bother me the least. Could turn it off though if it did bother me.
However the windows *do* respond significantly faster than they do in XP.
The window redraw is by magnitudes faster. The slowest way I could switch
windows here is still faster than the quickest way in XP.
No, jim (not the OP) wanted to make a video of the exact GUI problems he's
seen in Vista in order to crush Vista.
My mistake, confused the poster. =)
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Justin
Stephan Rose said:The only animation you actually have to wait for is the animation when you
click a window on the taskbar that is *minimized*.
That's what people hate. It has nothing to do with moving the mouse, it has
to do with your eye trying to figure out what it's seeing. This is what
people don't like.
But then again some people love WinFX. Yuck!
However the windows *do* respond significantly faster than they do in XP.
I disagree. I don't see how that's possible. Instant is instant. Our
brains/eye's can't tell the difference of anything quicker.
I would have to see these "XP" machines you reference. As I'm sure you'd
have to see mine.
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Stephan Rose
Justin said:That's what people hate. It has nothing to do with moving the mouse, it
has
to do with your eye trying to figure out what it's seeing. This is what
people don't like.
But then again some people love WinFX. Yuck!
To be honest, I may actually turn that particular animation off as it
doesn't really serve any purpose. It doesn't slow me down...but doesn't
help me either.
I disagree. I don't see how that's possible. Instant is instant. Our
brains/eye's can't tell the difference of anything quicker.
Yes but the win32 GDI is a pig, and that's not even me trying to put windows
down or anything. It's a widely known and accepted fact among programmers
that tear their hair out trying to deal with it. =) The performance of it
is utterly horrible.
Most the apps I run under windows are very UI heavy apps. We aren't talking
notepad or word here. I can usually see the UI redrawing itself when the
window is shown again. Sure, it's not long, particularly not on this core 2
duo system of mine. But it's still there.
Alt tabbing between multiple instances of Vistual Studio 2005 is most
definitely not 100% instant under XP. =)
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Justin
Stephan Rose said:Yes but the win32 GDI is a pig, and that's not even me trying to put
windows
Absolutely! Can't argue that. But it still delivers.
I can usually see the UI redrawing itself when the
window is shown again. Sure, it's not long, particularly not on this core
2
I believe you are referring to screen tearing and that is not normal. It's
a major problem with XP and always has been. So much so that the problem
has been completely wiped out in Vista. You will not have this problem in
Vista using Aero.
If you see this happening "usually" then something is very wrong with your
installation of Windows.
Alt tabbing between multiple instances of Vistual Studio 2005 is most
definitely not 100% instant under XP. =)
Just to be 100% sure, I did it right now. No problem....??? I did it over
and over again in rapid succession. I got each window instantly. The
machine I'm on right now is mid grade at best. I'm using an old Matrox G400
video card.
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Jeffrey S. Sparks
Actually, indexing is going to be expanded upon in the near future. Windows
Server 2007 will expand upon indexing for network shares and will
interconnect with windows vista to make it easier to find files.
Microsoft is also working on a new files system called WinFS which includes
indexing builtin.
Indexing isn't going anywhere, in fact its going to become more advanced...
Jeff
Server 2007 will expand upon indexing for network shares and will
interconnect with windows vista to make it easier to find files.
Microsoft is also working on a new files system called WinFS which includes
indexing builtin.
Indexing isn't going anywhere, in fact its going to become more advanced...
Jeff
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Stephan Rose
Justin said:Absolutely! Can't argue that. But it still delivers.
I believe you are referring to screen tearing and that is not normal.
It's
a major problem with XP and always has been. So much so that the problem
has been completely wiped out in Vista. You will not have this problem in
Vista using Aero.
If you see this happening "usually" then something is very wrong with your
installation of Windows.
Just to be 100% sure, I did it right now. No problem....??? I did it
over
and over again in rapid succession. I got each window instantly. The
machine I'm on right now is mid grade at best. I'm using an old Matrox
G400 video card.
Maybe the project size has something to do with it along with the number of
opened documents.
But either way, I am whining over 20ms or so maybe here...nothing that is of
any actual consequence. =)
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jim
you have a limited way of thinking... indexing is something microsoft is
trying to pull..
just because other companies started doing it.. as always MS tries to
implement its own version of a competitors technology, bad idea!
Indexing slow hard drives is a bad solution to the fact that search is
slow...
because the drives are slow....
and indexing makes the problem worse....
You are trying to solve a problem but you are creating more problems in the
process...
and now with 100mb internet connection & files being swapped all the time,
indexing will not be able to catch up with the file transfers...
all files will be in flux, the indexing will have to be working too much
just to keep track of everything... and your index will always be outdated..
sorry that may have worked for older days with static computers an slow
internet connections.. but not for the near future.
There will be something else far more intelligent than indexing.. you will
see..
in 2 years... indexing will be a dead technology
trying to pull..
just because other companies started doing it.. as always MS tries to
implement its own version of a competitors technology, bad idea!
Indexing slow hard drives is a bad solution to the fact that search is
slow...
because the drives are slow....
and indexing makes the problem worse....
You are trying to solve a problem but you are creating more problems in the
process...
and now with 100mb internet connection & files being swapped all the time,
indexing will not be able to catch up with the file transfers...
all files will be in flux, the indexing will have to be working too much
just to keep track of everything... and your index will always be outdated..
sorry that may have worked for older days with static computers an slow
internet connections.. but not for the near future.
There will be something else far more intelligent than indexing.. you will
see..
in 2 years... indexing will be a dead technology
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Jeffrey S. Sparks
"Indexing" is used everywhere you go... When you do a google search it is
searching it's index for the information you are looking for the same as
when you go to the library and look for a book. Can you imagine how long it
would take you to search an entire library for a book without a card
catalog? (or the computer version of one)
Your hard drives are slow? All the more reason to let it index the HD. It
will find what you are looking for far faster by searching the index than
trying to search the entire HD for it.
Vista's Index service runs in the back ground and slows way down when you go
to use your computer so it shouldn't interrupt what you are doing that much
if at all. (I will admit the indexing/search feature built into XP was not
that good and has been vastly improved in Vista)
Jeff
searching it's index for the information you are looking for the same as
when you go to the library and look for a book. Can you imagine how long it
would take you to search an entire library for a book without a card
catalog? (or the computer version of one)
Your hard drives are slow? All the more reason to let it index the HD. It
will find what you are looking for far faster by searching the index than
trying to search the entire HD for it.
Vista's Index service runs in the back ground and slows way down when you go
to use your computer so it shouldn't interrupt what you are doing that much
if at all. (I will admit the indexing/search feature built into XP was not
that good and has been vastly improved in Vista)
Jeff
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jim
indexing databases and the web is different....
those run on separate dedicated machines that have that task...
they don't make your hard disk rattle all the time like it has consumed a
swimming pool full of coffee!
I can go on and on about HDD indexing... but this topic bores me.. its a
dead technology anyway.
those run on separate dedicated machines that have that task...
they don't make your hard disk rattle all the time like it has consumed a
swimming pool full of coffee!
I can go on and on about HDD indexing... but this topic bores me.. its a
dead technology anyway.
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Justin
jim said:they don't make your hard disk rattle all the time like it has consumed a
swimming pool full of coffee!
My HDD's don't do that, so where does that leave indexing?
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Stephan Rose
Justin said:My HDD's don't do that, so where does that leave indexing?
Leaves you with a quieter hard drive?
I do wonder though what the constant additional activity does for long-term
longevity of the drive? It is a mechanical device after all with moving
parts. The more they move the quicker they wear out.
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Justin
Stephan Rose said:I do wonder though what the constant additional activity does for
long-term
longevity of the drive? It is a mechanical device after all with moving
parts. The more they move the quicker they wear out.
That is certainly a valid point. We can look at drives that constantly read
and write in other applications that are none stop for their own reasons.
These drives can last 6+ years running 24/7/365. I don't think the consumer
has anything to worry about. Indexing doesn't push a drive nearly as hard
as other server level applications. Even when look at consumer type drives
(SATA) and not just SCSI.
However this subject is a valid concern (and with good reason) with
ReadyBoost. Those thumb drives aren't developed for that kind of activity.
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Shane Nokes
Actually it's not any different.
What do you think is indexed on the web?
That's right jim, databases. Good for you, you're learning so quickly *pat
on the head*
Now just imagine this. That hard drive makes noise at first when you load
the OS because it's indexing all of the files in certain areas of the drive.
As you add more files to your install it adds those to the index, but over
time it rechecks it's indexes to make sure that it's up to date.
It doesn't do it constantly but at set intervals.
Now with that content indexed in a db file it can give you nearly
instantaneous lookup of any file on your system.
Now imagine having to search for those same files one by one by one by one
if needed.
It's just much easier to have an index that rebuilds itself periodically.
What do you think is indexed on the web?
That's right jim, databases. Good for you, you're learning so quickly *pat
on the head*
Now just imagine this. That hard drive makes noise at first when you load
the OS because it's indexing all of the files in certain areas of the drive.
As you add more files to your install it adds those to the index, but over
time it rechecks it's indexes to make sure that it's up to date.
It doesn't do it constantly but at set intervals.
Now with that content indexed in a db file it can give you nearly
instantaneous lookup of any file on your system.
Now imagine having to search for those same files one by one by one by one
if needed.
It's just much easier to have an index that rebuilds itself periodically.
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Justin
You can't teach an old dog new tricks and you can't teach a retarded dog any
tricks. jim is the later.
A quick Google search on indexing tells you the LONG history it has and you
get a real good impression that it's not going anywhere soon. Now, whether
is appropriate for an OS is a real topic.
tricks. jim is the later.
A quick Google search on indexing tells you the LONG history it has and you
get a real good impression that it's not going anywhere soon. Now, whether
is appropriate for an OS is a real topic.
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