AMD and Windows7 Virtualization of XP compatibility mode


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Al Dykes

Windows7 has an XP "compatibility box" included but I am told it
requires a specific flavor of virtualization and the Intel Atom 500
CPU series was named as being compatible.

Will AMD 64-bit chips run XP mode with Windows7?
 
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Steve Foster

Al said:
Windows7 has an XP "compatibility box" included but I am told it
requires a specific flavor of virtualization and the Intel Atom 500
CPU series was named as being compatible.

Will AMD 64-bit chips run XP mode with Windows7?
If they have AMD-V, the hardware virtualisation extensions.

I think this basically means Athlon 64 and X2 are out, Phenoms are ok
in the desktop lineup, and 2nd-generation Opterons onwards (ie
1000/2000/8000+ models) in the server and workstation segments.

CPU-Z should hopefully show whether a specific AMD CPU supports AMD-V.
 
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Al Dykes

The virtualization mode is done via Virtual PC, so if you can install and run Virtual PC on your current installation, you will be
able to use the Win7 included virtual XP too.

The hardware virtualization is not a must, it is just an option.
(a) I don't have a system. I'l looking for parts and the ability to
run W7's XP compatibility box is someting I want.

(b) I'm told reliably that there is more than one hardware
implementation of VM assistance and W7's XP compatibility box is
particular to one of them and it's the one in the Intel Atom 500
series chip.
 
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Richard P

Al said:
(a) I don't have a system. I'l looking for parts and the ability to
run W7's XP compatibility box is someting I want.

(b) I'm told reliably that there is more than one hardware
implementation of VM assistance and W7's XP compatibility box is
particular to one of them and it's the one in the Intel Atom 500
series chip.
It supports the AMD virtualization just fine. The AMD X2's and X4's use
AMD-V which is fully compatible with virtual pc. It's true there is more
than one hardware implementation but they does exactly the same thing.
 
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Al Dykes

It supports the AMD virtualization just fine. The AMD X2's and X4's use
AMD-V which is fully compatible with virtual pc.
I'm asking about the XP compatibility box that is included in Windows
7. I'm told it works only on certain current chips.

Has anyone tried it yet?
 
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Steve Foster

Darren said:
X2s have virtulization. At least, my 5050e did, according to the
BIOS ("did" because I replaced it with a Phenom II 810 a few days
ago).
I was working on the basis that they don't have it, as the product
overview pages on AMD.com don't mention it - and they're very keen on
doing so if the model does.

But given the multiple generations of X2, it's likely that there's a
point somewhere in the product lifecycle where AMD-V got included.
 
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Steve Foster

Stefan said:
The virtualization mode is done via Virtual PC, so if you can install
and run Virtual PC on your current installation, you will be able to
use the Win7 included virtual XP too.
It's done with a new version of Virtual PC (that only runs on Windows
7), so testing with VPC2007 is pointless.
The hardware virtualization is not a must, it is just an option.
Nope, it's a must.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/requirements.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/configure-bios.aspx
 
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Steve Foster

Al said:
(a) I don't have a system. I'l looking for parts and the ability to
run W7's XP compatibility box is someting I want.

(b) I'm told reliably that there is more than one hardware
implementation of VM assistance and W7's XP compatibility box is
particular to one of them and it's the one in the Intel Atom 500
series chip.
You need either an AMD CPU with AMD-V, or an Intel CPU with Intel VT.

Both are supported by the new Windows 7 Virtual PC, which is the basis
of the XP virtual machine (note that this will only be available in
Enterprise, Professional and Ultimate editions of Windows 7).

*Some* Atom chips have Intel VT, some do not. Here's the basic spec
chart for all Atoms:

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/atom/specifications.htm
 
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Steve Foster

Al said:
Al said:
the BIOS ("did" >>>> because I replaced it with a Phenom II 810 a few
days ago). >>> The virtualization mode is done via Virtual PC, so if
you can install and run Virtual PC on your current installation, you
will be >>> able to use the Win7 included virtual XP too.

I'm asking about the XP compatibility box that is included in Windows
7. I'm told it works only on certain current chips.
Microsoft say AMD-V *or* Intel VT required.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/configure-bios.aspx

They have links to CPU checkers for both.
 
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Victek

I think this basically means Athlon 64 and X2 are out
The virtualization mode is done via Virtual PC, so if you can install and
run Virtual PC on your current installation, you will be
able to use the Win7 included virtual XP too.

The hardware virtualization is not a must, it is just an option.

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I was wondering about this too since I have used Virtual PC in the past with
an Athlon 64 3800+ (socket 939), which does not have the support in
hardware. Apparently this new version being released for Windows 7 DOES
require it - performance? security? or ???
 
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Steffen Moser

I was working on the basis that they don't have it, as the product
overview pages on AMD.com don't mention it - and they're very keen on
doing so if the model does.

But given the multiple generations of X2, it's likely that there's a
point somewhere in the product lifecycle where AMD-V got included.
IIRC, all AMD Desktop CPUs (Athlon 64, X2 and Phenom) made for
socket AM2, AM2+ or AM3 have AMD-V, the ones made for socket 754
and 939 don't.

HTH,
Steffen
 
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mr deo

Al Dykes said:
Windows7 has an XP "compatibility box" included but I am told it
requires a specific flavor of virtualization and the Intel Atom 500
CPU series was named as being compatible.

Will AMD 64-bit chips run XP mode with Windows7?

It's not all it's cracked up to be..
You should test to see if the feature will work for your product before you
decide if it's worth basing hardware requirements off of such a solution.
Basically, since it's all a "Virtual Machine" then a lot of hardware can be
lost/ignored!.. This can sometimes include USB ports, so no adding/removing
media with some applications.
 
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Gary Colligan

mr said:
It's not all it's cracked up to be..
You should test to see if the feature will work for your product before you
decide if it's worth basing hardware requirements off of such a solution.
Basically, since it's all a "Virtual Machine" then a lot of hardware can be
lost/ignored!.. This can sometimes include USB ports, so no adding/removing
media with some applications.
It will work find, usb ports work also, so does all the other hardware,
DVD drive, printers, etc. I use it, but you will not get games to works
as it only use a old VGA video driver [32/64 trio] I use it for running
Explorer 6 to test web pages, & some other old programs that did not run
on Vista as it has full XP in it, it even get updates in xp.....
 
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Al Dykes

mr said:
It's not all it's cracked up to be..
You should test to see if the feature will work for your product before you
decide if it's worth basing hardware requirements off of such a solution.
Basically, since it's all a "Virtual Machine" then a lot of hardware can be
lost/ignored!.. This can sometimes include USB ports, so no adding/removing
media with some applications.
It will work find, usb ports work also, so does all the other hardware,
DVD drive, printers, etc. I use it, but you will not get games to works
as it only use a old VGA video driver [32/64 trio] I use it for running

Can the driver be set as high as 1600x1200, my current setting?

If a 1600x1200 monitor existed when this driver was current, I
couldn't afford it.
 
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Tim Murray

IIRC, all AMD Desktop CPUs (Athlon 64, X2 and Phenom) made for
socket AM2, AM2+ or AM3 have AMD-V, the ones made for socket 754
and 939 don't.
How would I find out what socket an HP Pavilion p6130f using a Phenom-9750
(A) uses?
 
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Rodney Pont

Yeah, I saw that page many times but my eyes skipped over the socket. In
fact, that's the page where I got the (A) designation from.
You have made me smile to think I'm not the only one who can't see
what's in front of my eyes and the more I look the less I see :)
 

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