Adding ram to the 2 sticks I have, but keeping (some/any) advantages

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kony

My point is its all gonna be crap. A 2 yr old $1000 entire box will perform
as well as a 3 yr. old system with a $3000 upgrade, due to the savings in
crap, and absolute incremental improvements.
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I don't understand why you're making a typical system
upgrade into a difficult thing. Set the budget, set the
timeframe till next upgrade (how long the parts need last
you as it effects investment in reusable parts) and build
it.

Spending a few extra weeks to months struggling along with
an older system more than offsets whether you spend $1000 or
$3000 later... the key is not how fast you can get the
system to go when new, it's whether the slowest performance
within it's lifetime is acceptible at which point it's time
to upgrade again.
 
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bent

so flat panels are fine now, I'm glad to hear it. What is a good one around
20 or 21"? I just want to look at a price here in Toronto. What would you
buy in that size.

And is widescreen ie other than a the std. tube proportion differnet now?
 
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bent

I am learning here. I have no trouble with my system now. I'm sure you
know that whatever you are running now in 3 years with be laughable, and you
will be in the same position. Your pooter will be a factor of 10 below what
will be curent in 3DMark tests. Its not a question of if, but when. I've
spent over 10G on my own peronal pcs, and I'm sick of seeing them come and
go. Intel is gonna to do nothing to help make this better. We'll be urging
till we die. It will never end. I can see insdie my pc now. I cut out a
pac man shape, snaded, primed, panted with crackle outsside, gloss black
inside. The inside frame is painted gold. I've got 9 fans with a copper
Zalman cpu cooler, lights, coloured knurled thumb screws, all round color
matched wires tucked in perfectly. Its a useless piece of crap, and believe
me, so is yours. In no time people will be throwing away their Dell's that
would blow them away. Why do it? For me, its just to play the odd game
with all the eye candy. Some jobs need it, like its obvious within seconds
that a task is gonna take a long time, and there are lots and lots of tasks
to do, so its literally laughable. just trying to get a second opinion.
heres my sig: I believe I am in a good upgrade position btw, but I don't
need it, don't want it, and don't even know what it is.

Asus P4C800E-D [email protected] <oops> OCZ EL4200 512MB@DDR480 2.5-3-4-6 Zalman
CNPS-7000Cu, MCH, & Vantec Stealth Vantec Nexus NXP-305-BK fan & light
ctrlr. inverted blowhole panel Enermax EGP465P-VE S^2 FC^2 whisper LG
GSA-H10N
2x 36GB Raptors Viewsonic P95f+B MSI FX5900XT-VTD128 @465/825 SBLive5.1
Logitec / IBM USR 2976 Motorola Surfboard
 
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bent

This is the best AGP card money can buy today.
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=8214&Category_Code=950.2

The gpu is 460core. Thats slower than mine. When I bought mine there was
no such thing as PCI-E. I got a 128MB card, but IT could have been a 256.
My ram is a poor oc er so far, many do 950. Mine may, just haven't yet.
One guys is over 1000. The ram is identical to the 9800XT

The newest systems have 3D Marks 10x higher than my system. It will be the
same in another 3 or so years. My analogy is not meant to be syntaxcially
perfect.
 
K

kony

so flat panels are fine now, I'm glad to hear it. What is a good one around
20 or 21"? I just want to look at a price here in Toronto. What would you
buy in that size.

And is widescreen ie other than a the std. tube proportion differnet now?
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I have no idea what's available in Toronto, and suggest you
go to some B&M stores to preview a few for yourself, seeing
them in person is a lot better than any recommendation
anyway.

Widescreen is of course a different aspect ratio, and
becoming more and more common but there are probably some
decent non-widescreen, 4:3 or 5:4 (4:3 in 20-21") ratio
alternatives available.
 
K

kony

I am learning here. I have no trouble with my system now. I'm sure you
know that whatever you are running now in 3 years with be laughable, and you
will be in the same position. Your pooter will be a factor of 10 below what
will be curent in 3DMark tests. Its not a question of if, but when. I've
spent over 10G on my own peronal pcs, and I'm sick of seeing them come and
go. Intel is gonna to do nothing to help make this better. We'll be urging
till we die. It will never end. I can see insdie my pc now. I cut out a
pac man shape, snaded, primed, panted with crackle outsside, gloss black
inside. The inside frame is painted gold. I've got 9 fans with a copper
Zalman cpu cooler, lights, coloured knurled thumb screws, all round color
matched wires tucked in perfectly. Its a useless piece of crap, and believe
me, so is yours. In no time people will be throwing away their Dell's that
would blow them away. Why do it? For me, its just to play the odd game
with all the eye candy. Some jobs need it, like its obvious within seconds
that a task is gonna take a long time, and there are lots and lots of tasks
to do, so its literally laughable. just trying to get a second opinion.
heres my sig: I believe I am in a good upgrade position btw, but I don't
need it, don't want it, and don't even know what it is.
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You seem to keep contrasting a bland minimal-choices OEM
system with some kind of extreme cost super custom DIY
alternative. There is a LOT of middle ground, no need to
think only in terms of two extremes.

If you like the case, it's not a waste at all, reuse it.
It's not at all a useless piece of crap if you do things
less demanding too... there is no rule you can only have one
PC.
 
K

kony

This is the best AGP card money can buy today.
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=8214&Category_Code=950.2

The gpu is 460core. Thats slower than mine. When I bought mine there was
no such thing as PCI-E. I got a 128MB card, but IT could have been a 256.
My ram is a poor oc er so far, many do 950. Mine may, just haven't yet.
One guys is over 1000. The ram is identical to the 9800XT

The newest systems have 3D Marks 10x higher than my system. It will be the
same in another 3 or so years. My analogy is not meant to be syntaxcially
perfect.
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Why do you always think in terms of how something compares
to the fastest alternative possible at any point in time?
It is not a race, a system is not useless or crap just
because it doesn't score high on 3DMark. Even for a gamer,
all it needs do is maintain an acceptible framerate on the
games you're playing, and with your present 19" monitor that
shouldn't be too hard to do as you can't even raise it's
resolution up to 1600x1200 without it getting blurrier.

If you cant just enjoy using a system then what was the
point?
 
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bent

Exsqueeze me. This baaby goes to
2048x1536 at 60 true color 32-bit
1920x at75 true color 32-bit
1600x1200 at 85 true color 32-bit
1280x1020 at 85 true color 32-bit
and everything in between
I've done 'em. I had thirty icons in one column at the left in-line from
top to bottom. Blurry, its so small I can't even read it, but I don't know
that its blurry. I'd try it again now, but I run the risk of not being able
to get out, seriously!!!!!And no lag.
 
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bent

oh ya, and with the touch of a button, it has 3 brightness modes, with a
huge difference. I hit it every time I start a game, and believe me, its
awesome. Its a trinitron.

NORMAL:TEXT/SPREADSHEET
ULTRABRITE 3X:GRAPHICS/GAME
ULTRABRITE 4X:VIDEO/MOVIE/DVD
 
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bent

I appreciate all th ehelp
I should mention.
I have an honours diploma in CAD/CAM - just means I know AutoCAD and some
stuff inside and out. I worked at a CAD drawing reproduction company. They
have dozens of OCE printers that are worth a quarter million dollars each.
They need the best hardware you can buy. They have mult-million dollar
contracts for the largest projects in the country. They often make
professionally chicago-screwed drawing sets of 4'x3' drawings several
hundred pages thick. A hundred of them at a time. They roll them up and
wrap them in kraft paper. They weigh maybe 50lbs. per set. They stack a
rows on the bottom of a wooden skid. Then they stack another, and another.
Then use a hand truck to bring it to a truck. Millions of the most
intensive drawings you will ever see. They have to run those puppies
through a pooter all day long. They bought a whole set of flat panels for
the main branch where I worked. They were there for a day or two. It was
laughable. Forgeddabouddit.
 
K

kony

Exsqueeze me. This baaby goes to
2048x1536 at 60 true color 32-bit
1920x at75 true color 32-bit
1600x1200 at 85 true color 32-bit
1280x1020 at 85 true color 32-bit
and everything in between
I've done 'em. I had thirty icons in one column at the left in-line from
top to bottom. Blurry, its so small I can't even read it, but I don't know
that its blurry. I'd try it again now, but I run the risk of not being able
to get out, seriously!!!!!And no lag.
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I didn't write it won't do higher, rather that it'll get
blurrier.

That's inherant in all CRTs, the smaller the pixels the
larger the percetage the border blurring is of the whole
pixel. Subjective interpretation might mean you consider a
resolution higher or lower at the threshold of being
considered "blurry" but once you have a decent LCD
side-by-side you will begin to appreciate what per-pixel
precision is.

.... and if this is over analog, that alone will start
blurring it over 1280x1024 enough to notice.

It could be your uses do benefit from a CRT moreso than LCD,
we can't make that call but there are some obvious
advantages to LCD besides taking up less desktop space and
using less power. For example they're easier on the eyes, I
wouldn't want to use a CRT at 85Hz refresh for any lengthly
period of time.
 
K

kony

Thats my point, with no-name all-in-one comes low price
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.... and my point, you are continually contrasting two
extremes instead of the middle ground which is where most
enthusiasts build instead of just lamenting that a $3000
system would depreciate by half after a year.
 
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