Acronis True Image

J

jll

Hi,
If I'm asking in the wrong group, please steer me to the right one. Anyway,
I used Acronis Version 9.0 to make a clone image of my hard drive and
copied it to an external hard drive. I now have a large tib backup file on
my operating HD. Do I still need this file or can I delete it?
Thanks,
jll
 
G

GeneK

Restoration is easier and faster from an internal drive. To prevent image
corruption, True Image recommends backing up to a dedicated file [partition]
on the internal. Read their help files.
Gene K
 
J

jll

I'm not hurting for space right now so I guess I'll keep it for a while. I
was thinking about future needs. Thanks for the answer.
jll
GeneK said:
Restoration is easier and faster from an internal drive. To prevent image
corruption, True Image recommends backing up to a dedicated file
[partition] on the internal. Read their help files.
Gene K
jll said:
Hi,
If I'm asking in the wrong group, please steer me to the right one.
Anyway, I used Acronis Version 9.0 to make a clone image of my hard
drive and copied it to an external hard drive. I now have a large tib
backup file on my operating HD. Do I still need this file or can I delete
it?
Thanks,
jll
 
A

Alan Biddle

Depends on how much redundancy you want. I have mine set to keep the
backup images on an external drive, which restores perfectly to the
main drive when needed. I always make a CD of Acronis to which I an
boot, just in case. If you keep the images on your operating HD, and
lose it, you also lose your backups. While non-zero, the chance of
losing both the internal and external HDs is rather small.
 
N

nor

I follow your protocol also Alan. I back up to an external drive every 6
months with incremental back ups every month. I have had to use it in the
past and it is a god send. When needed, it works like a charm.
 
S

Stan Brown

Hi,
If I'm asking in the wrong group, please steer me to the right one. Anyway,
I used Acronis Version 9.0 to make a clone image of my hard drive and
copied it to an external hard drive. I now have a large tib backup file on
my operating HD. Do I still need this file or can I delete it?

Think about this for a minute.

The purpose of this giant .tib file is to restore your hard drive
after a crash, right?

If your hard drive crashes, what happens to the .tib file? :)

BTW, you can back up directly to the external drive next time -- it
will avoid this whole issue.
 
S

Stan Brown

I follow your protocol also Alan. I back up to an external drive every 6
months with incremental back ups every month. I have had to use it in the
past and it is a god send. When needed, it works like a charm.

We may work very differently, but those intervals seem dangerously
long to me.

Look at it this way: on the 28th your disk crashes. You restore your
backup from the first, and now you have four weeks' work to re-
create.

Myself, I back up weekly, but occasionally at midweek if I've spent a
particularly long time creating something that would be hard to
reconstruct. The standard recommendation is *daily*, but I'll admit I
don't do that.
 
G

GeneK

Think a little longer. Acronis recommends imaging to a dedicated partition
{I forget the exact name they give to it) in order to prevent corruption. I
do this and also copy to an external (or secondary [slave] drive) in case
the entire main drive goes down. If just the C partition goes down, restore
from the dedicated partition. BTW, his image frequency is is lengthy beyond
common sense.
Gene K
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Stan said:
We may work very differently, but those intervals seem dangerously
long to me.

Look at it this way: on the 28th your disk crashes. You restore your
backup from the first, and now you have four weeks' work to re-
create.

Myself, I back up weekly, but occasionally at midweek if I've spent a
particularly long time creating something that would be hard to
reconstruct. The standard recommendation is *daily*, but I'll admit I
don't do that.


I think any kind of "standard" recommendation like that is meaningless. How
often you should back up depends on you and how you use your computer. For
some people, daily might be a very strong requirement, since there is a lot
of important data created or modified each day. For someone else, who
creates far fewer files, and could easily recreate what thy did in th elast
week, a much longer interval is satisfactory. Still other might use a system
of tiered backup, backing some files up daily and others much less
frequently. For example, I backup my financial data (Quicken) to a thumb
drive almost every day, but I image the entire drive much less frequently.

But I agree that if that's all he does, nor's backup interval sound much
longer than would be satisfactory for most people. Perhaps he's an exception
though, and doesn't create or modify many files.
 
S

Sharon F

Hi,
If I'm asking in the wrong group, please steer me to the right one. Anyway,
I used Acronis Version 9.0 to make a clone image of my hard drive and
copied it to an external hard drive. I now have a large tib backup file on
my operating HD. Do I still need this file or can I delete it?
Thanks,
jll

I keep most recent copies on a second internal drive. These are for
convenience's sake only (quick reset without attaching external drive and
booting from CD).

The bulk of my images (including the recent ones duplicated on the internal
drive) are stored on an external drives. Reason is the one already
mentioned: if the internal drive fails the image files are inaccessible and
you're SOL for restoring the system.

So it's up to you if you want to keep that file or not. It is not necessary
to keep it since you have a duplicate copy on the external drive.
 
N

nor

Actually, I didn't mean to suggest that anyone else follow my backup
procedures. I was just telling the group what I do. I am a hobbyist computer
user and don't have really important documents or images to keep. If I lose
anything, I can always replace them from CDs or DVDs, which I use to backup
my images and documents as well as through True Image. If I was in business,
I would definitely back up more frequently. Sorry my comments were taken as
they were.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

nor said:
Actually, I didn't mean to suggest that anyone else follow my backup
procedures. I was just telling the group what I do. I am a hobbyist
computer user and don't have really important documents or images to
keep. If I lose anything, I can always replace them from CDs or DVDs,
which I use to backup my images and documents as well as through True
Image. If I was in business, I would definitely back up more
frequently. Sorry my comments were taken as they were.


OK, understood. That's fine, but in the future you might want to be
especially careful when you do this. When you tell others what you do,
people will tend it take it as a recommendation, unless you qualify that you
don't mean it that way.
 
S

Stan Brown

Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:31:00 -0700 from Ken Blake, MVP
I think any kind of "standard" recommendation like that is meaningless. How
often you should back up depends on you and how you use your computer.

I agree 100%.

When I said "standard recommendation", I meant the one I hear most
often. I agree with you that the right time for backups is "so that
you don't risk losing stuff that would be too hard to re-create".
 
S

Stan Brown

Think a little longer. Acronis recommends imaging to a dedicated partition
{I forget the exact name they give to it) in order to prevent corruption. I
do this and also copy to an external (or secondary [slave] drive) in case
the entire main drive goes down. If just the C partition goes down, restore
from the dedicated partition.

I'm curious: what sort of problem do you have in mind that would make
"just the C partition go down" but leave the disk usable?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Stan said:
Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:31:00 -0700 from Ken Blake, MVP
<[email protected]>:

I agree 100%.

When I said "standard recommendation", I meant the one I hear most
often. I agree with you that the right time for backups is "so that
you don't risk losing stuff that would be too hard to re-create".


Great, thanks for the clarification. I misunderstood you at first. Glad we
agree.
 
J

jll

Sharon F said:
I keep most recent copies on a second internal drive. These are for
convenience's sake only (quick reset without attaching external drive and
booting from CD).

The bulk of my images (including the recent ones duplicated on the
internal
drive) are stored on an external drives. Reason is the one already
mentioned: if the internal drive fails the image files are inaccessible
and
you're SOL for restoring the system.

So it's up to you if you want to keep that file or not. It is not
necessary
to keep it since you have a duplicate copy on the external drive.

Thanks for that. I deleted it, but not for my original purpose. On my last
defrag, the defrag image showed huge blocks of red indicating a lot of
fragments (47%). Defrag would work up to the tib backup file and not touch
it. When it finished, it still showed all the red blocks. I had never
experienced this before. The report said that defrag could not defrag the
tib file. After I deleted it, I went back to defrag and it showed an image
of all blue, white and green as it should be. What was that all about?
However, my machine never showed signs of a slowdown during this period. I
just did not like the look of the defrag image.
jll
 
S

Sharon F

Thanks for that. I deleted it, but not for my original purpose. On my last
defrag, the defrag image showed huge blocks of red indicating a lot of
fragments (47%). Defrag would work up to the tib backup file and not touch
it. When it finished, it still showed all the red blocks. I had never
experienced this before. The report said that defrag could not defrag the
tib file. After I deleted it, I went back to defrag and it showed an image
of all blue, white and green as it should be. What was that all about?
However, my machine never showed signs of a slowdown during this period. I
just did not like the look of the defrag image.
jll

I don't know the technical explanation for what you're wondering about. My
..tib files show up blue (contiguous) in Disk Management. Maybe defrag
before making an image? Create a large contiguous area for the .tib file to
be written to?

In regards to no "slowdown during this period," modern processor speed and
large hard drives (plenty of free space) could explain that. When using
FAT32 and Win9x, I defragged once a week religiously. Using XP and NTFS, I
hardly ever defrag - once every month or two. Never have a performance
issue when I defrag XP, just a matter of - gee, haven't done this in a
while.

Aside: I keep Windows and a small number of programs on C. Everything else
is farmed out to other partitions. Excluding temp files and pagefile and
updates, the contents of C: is relatively static. It just follows that the
need to defrag would be small.
 

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