A patch for Windows Vista

[Michael]

I don't suppose you know when a service patch is going to become available
for Windows Vista?

Meanwhile, I have spoken to my PC Vendor about this. He advises against
upgrading until that patch becomes available. For now, and rather not to
cause offence, I'd rather decline to recount the reason for his advice
against upgrading.


Michael Feldman

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Michael;
Service Pack 1 is due sometime the 1st half of 2008.

 

[badvista]

its called a "service pack"...

you want to upgrade your current hardware?,
can you give us the specs of your PC?

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Microsoft is always striving to improve the quality of their products.
Windows Update is one of the great examples of this effort, since its
implementation, Microsoft has continually improved the service to deliver
improved experience for Windows, software and hardware devices. Windows
Vista SP1 is currently in testing as of this writing. It is expected to be
released sometime in the first quarter of 2008.

To learn more about Windows Vista SP1, please check the following link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...ows-vista-service-pack-1-beta-whitepaper.aspx

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"...are you telling us that..."
I never said any such thing.

If your computer is unreliable, you need to search for the actual
issue.
Expecting a Service Pack to do that is not reasonable unless your
specific issue is addressed by the Service Pack.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

The same updates you are getting 'now' are the same ones you will be getting
Service Pack 1 for Vista. Vista is very reliable, since RTM, its just that
some software and device drivers were not not optimized or stable on the OS.
But Vista has really come into its own since then.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

;509047']Service Pack 1 is due sometime the 1st half of 2008.

So, JJ, are you telling us that for the next five or six months those
of us who were unfortunate enough to "upgrade" to this new OS
are going to more or less be without a reliable computer system?
Helluva way to run a railroad, wouldn't you agree?'Default PLESK Page'
(http:///quote)]

 

[Charlie Tame]

A "Service Pack" fixes known issues, it is not likely to be like XP SP2
which replaced just about the whole system and was really a new release.

I think there has been a lot of criticism and some folks I would rely on
have seen quite substantial improvement, but I wish they could move a
bit quicker with it. I didn't have the time to take a useful part in the
beta testing but can we ask what you mean by "Upgrading". You mean a new
machine or keep what you have already got and improve it.

Some things you can consider.

More memory is always good but get the same exact type you have or else
buy a new batch all together if at all possible.

You will most likely need all new drivers for hardware, can be expensive.

Get the best video card you can afford but don't go mad unless you are
an extreme gamer because you won't notice the extra $200 in normal use
but will notice the extra heat and power consumption

"If" we are looking at new machine and you currently have XP I suggest
of you can to play safe and have both for a time until you get Vista up
and running as you like it, saves a lot of hair pulling

 

[Telstar]

;509047']Service Pack 1 is due sometime the 1st half of 2008.

So, JJ, are you telling us that for the next five or six months those
of us who were unfortunate enough to "upgrade" to this new OS
are going to more or less be without a reliable computer system?
Helluva way to run a railroad, wouldn't you agree?'Default PLESK Page'
(http:///quote)]

You will be confused after the patch.

 

[WaIIy]

I don't suppose you know when a service patch is going to become available
for Windows Vista?

Meanwhile, I have spoken to my PC Vendor about this. He advises against
upgrading until that patch becomes available. For now, and rather not to
cause offence, I'd rather decline to recount the reason for his advice
against upgrading.


Michael Feldman

Michael, you won't offend Vista, it will offend you.

 

[Charlie Tame]

If your computer is unreliable, you need to search for the actual issue.
Expecting a Service Pack to do that is not reasonable unless your
specific issue is addressed by the Service Pack.

Exactly right, I think the problem is of perception. XP SP2 was a huge
effort at remodeling and I think because "Everybody" got it and it fixed
problems that they personally had not recognized until after they were
fixed, there is an expectation that the phrase "Service Pack" means
something more than a collection of fixes.

If the "Issue" is not included, or is something peculiar to that user's
personal setup then the expected (Hoped for) fix does not materialize

 

[NoStop]

I don't suppose you know when a service patch is going to become available
for Windows Vista?

Meanwhile, I have spoken to my PC Vendor about this. He advises against
upgrading until that patch becomes available. For now, and rather not to
cause offence, I'd rather decline to recount the reason for his advice
against upgrading.


Michael Feldman

According to Frank and other fanboys around here, Vista is next to perfect.
Why would you want a service patch? Just jump in and enjoy the bloated toy
operating system Microsoft is now selling to unsuspecting customers.

Cheers.

 

[Frank]

According to Frank and other fanboys around here, Vista is next to perfect.

Why would you want a service patch? Just jump in and enjoy the bloated toy

operating system Microsoft is now selling to unsuspecting customers.

Hummm what a strange statement coming from a fanatical follower and
daily ass kisser of RS's. Don't you guys think you are perfect and
without error? And so is the creator and your deity, LS? Don't you guys
trumpet the invincibility of his creation, linux. Is it not bullet proof
like you say it is?
If so, then maybe you could tell me why, when I finally got that
fantastic distro of ubuntu (not to be confused with a Nigerian scam...at
least I don't think it is!) to install, I had over 150 patches to
install? What happened? Didn't LS personally bless this distro? Didn't
RS proclaim it to be bullet proof and unassailable?
Ok, but over 150 patches right from the git-go? Sh*t! Vista after 1 yr
still only has 30+ patches to dl.
Well, I can now now tell you that disillusionment quickly set in and I
felt like I'd been SCAMMED by the fanatical interlopers over at your HQ,
open sores, which I now believe is a fulkkkin disease!
Please, in the future, put a warning label on your diseased crap, ok?
Thank Gawd I escaped with only flesh wounds!
Frank

Yeah, Cheers, MF's!

 

[Guest]

SP2 altered 5% of the code!!

A "Service Pack" fixes known issues, it is not likely to be like XP SP2
which replaced just about the whole system and was really a new release.

I think there has been a lot of criticism and some folks I would rely on
have seen quite substantial improvement, but I wish they could move a
bit quicker with it. I didn't have the time to take a useful part in the
beta testing but can we ask what you mean by "Upgrading". You mean a new
machine or keep what you have already got and improve it.

Some things you can consider.

More memory is always good but get the same exact type you have or else
buy a new batch all together if at all possible.

You will most likely need all new drivers for hardware, can be expensive.

Get the best video card you can afford but don't go mad unless you are
an extreme gamer because you won't notice the extra $200 in normal use
but will notice the extra heat and power consumption

"If" we are looking at new machine and you currently have XP I suggest
of you can to play safe and have both for a time until you get Vista up
and running as you like it, saves a lot of hair pulling

 

[Guest]

When a PC goes wrong the first thing we blame is the operating system. Why we
do this is simple - we have been programmed to bash the operating system as
the de-facto cause of all our problems. I'm surprised that when the
television goes on the blink everybody does rise in unison and shout ' that's
Microsoft's fault!'

Windows is only a 'part' of the equation. Microsoft don't make the drivers
for the hardware in your PC, the hardware manufacturer does. If they don't
integrate with Windows correctly then they simply won't work correctly. The
end result is either a crashed PC or a piece of hardware/software that
doesn't work as it should - but, of course, as usual, it's Microsoft's fault!

Actually, my desktop pc blew up two weeks ago. I was using Windows Vista at
the time, so, i suppose, i can blame Microsoft for that too! Well it was
their blasted software that was in use when it happened. The true fact of the
matter was that a power spike knocked out the motherboard and just about
everything else and that had nothing to do with Microsoft. However, a new PC
and UPS soon reduced the anger.

Vista Service pack 1 is due for release in the 1st quarter of 2008;
hopefully it will solve many of the current problems users are having with
Vista; sadly it probably won't cure all, but the more time it spends in beta
testing the better it will become; so patience i think is the watch word.

If you machine is not working as it should, by all means blame the operating
system if it makes you feel better, but also look for other options as well.


--
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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

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;509047']Service Pack 1 is due sometime the 1st half of 2008.

So, JJ, are you telling us that for the next five or six months those
of us who were unfortunate enough to "upgrade" to this new OS
are going to more or less be without a reliable computer system?
Helluva way to run a railroad, wouldn't you agree?'Default PLESK Page'
(http:///quote)]

 

[XS11E]

A "Service Pack" fixes known issues,

Incorrect. A service pack is a roll up of existing patches, if the
machine is fully up to date it's unlikely a service pack will fix a
problem. Service packs that introduce major changes such as SP2 for XP
are the very rare exception.

People who think a service pack will fix a problem are almost always
going to be disappointed, if you have problems and your machine is
fully updated, fix the problems BEFORE installing a service pack.

 

[MICHAEL]

Incorrect. A service pack is a roll up of existing patches, if the
machine is fully up to date it's unlikely a service pack will fix a
problem. Service packs that introduce major changes such as SP2 for XP
are the very rare exception.

People who think a service pack will fix a problem are almost always
going to be disappointed, if you have problems and your machine is
fully updated, fix the problems BEFORE installing a service pack.

Pedantic prat.


-Michael

 

[NoStop]

Why would you want a service patch? Just jump in and enjoy the bloated toy

Hummm what a strange statement coming from a fanatical follower and
daily ass kisser of RS's. Don't you guys think you are perfect and
without error? And so is the creator and your deity, LS? Don't you guys
trumpet the invincibility of his creation, linux. Is it not bullet proof
like you say it is?
If so, then maybe you could tell me why, when I finally got that
fantastic distro of ubuntu (not to be confused with a Nigerian scam...at
least I don't think it is!) to install, I had over 150 patches to
install? What happened? Didn't LS personally bless this distro? Didn't
RS proclaim it to be bullet proof and unassailable?
Ok, but over 150 patches right from the git-go? Sh*t! Vista after 1 yr
still only has 30+ patches to dl.
Well, I can now now tell you that disillusionment quickly set in and I
felt like I'd been SCAMMED by the fanatical interlopers over at your HQ,
open sores, which I now believe is a fulkkkin disease!
Please, in the future, put a warning label on your diseased crap, ok?
Thank Gawd I escaped with only flesh wounds!

Because you stupid piece of shit, the updates include updates for ALL the
applications installed with the distro. That's a lot of applications
compared to the sorry little bit that comes installed with Fista.

BTW, you might have escaped with flesh wounds, but I see your brain injury
is still ticking away as normal.

Cheers.

Frank

Yeah, Cheers, MF's!

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[Frank]

Frank wrote:




Because you stupid piece of shit, the updates include updates for ALL the
applications installed with the distro.

Wrong butt-munch! I only installed the os.

That's a lot of applications

compared to the sorry little bit that comes installed with Fista.

Fista? I have no idea what "fista" is as I've never installed anything
named "fista".

BTW, you might have escaped with flesh wounds, but I see your brain injury
is still ticking away as normal.

Even if I were "brain-dead' I still be smart enough not to install a POS
toy os like linux.
Now go kiss RS's hairy arse. He's calling for you!

Frank
Yeah, Cheers, MF's!

 

[Charlie]

I agree John. But there is another group of people that like to blame
everything on Microsoft and the OS. These are the people that have old
hardware with multiple brand x sound cards and printers and disk drives they
bought off ebay used 2 years ago. Add in some old brand x RAM and guess what
you get. According to them you get a crappy OS from Microsoft.

When a PC goes wrong the first thing we blame is the operating system. Why
we
do this is simple - we have been programmed to bash the operating system
as
the de-facto cause of all our problems. I'm surprised that when the
television goes on the blink everybody does rise in unison and shout '
that's
Microsoft's fault!'

Windows is only a 'part' of the equation. Microsoft don't make the drivers
for the hardware in your PC, the hardware manufacturer does. If they don't
integrate with Windows correctly then they simply won't work correctly.
The
end result is either a crashed PC or a piece of hardware/software that
doesn't work as it should - but, of course, as usual, it's Microsoft's
fault!

Actually, my desktop pc blew up two weeks ago. I was using Windows Vista
at
the time, so, i suppose, i can blame Microsoft for that too! Well it was
their blasted software that was in use when it happened. The true fact of
the
matter was that a power spike knocked out the motherboard and just about
everything else and that had nothing to do with Microsoft. However, a new
PC
and UPS soon reduced the anger.

Vista Service pack 1 is due for release in the 1st quarter of 2008;
hopefully it will solve many of the current problems users are having with
Vista; sadly it probably won't cure all, but the more time it spends in
beta
testing the better it will become; so patience i think is the watch word.

If you machine is not working as it should, by all means blame the
operating
system if it makes you feel better, but also look for other options as
well.


--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

;509047']Service Pack 1 is due sometime the 1st half of 2008.

So, JJ, are you telling us that for the next five or six months those
of us who were unfortunate enough to "upgrade" to this new OS
are going to more or less be without a reliable computer system?
Helluva way to run a railroad, wouldn't you agree?'Default PLESK Page'
(http:///quote)]

 

[XS11E]

Pedantic prat.

Just stating facts, sorry you're too stupid to see that.