2nd try on blocked sender list

[Chris]

How do I get outlook 2003 to automatically delete emails I receive that are
on my blocked sender list? I do not want them placed in the junk mail
folder, just deleted. I also do not want to automatically delete suspected
junk mail because sometimes good mail gets in the junk mail folder and I
would rather go through it manually.

 

[Vanguard]

How do I get outlook 2003 to automatically delete emails I receive that
are on my blocked sender list? I do not want them placed in the junk mail
folder, just deleted. I also do not want to automatically delete
suspected junk mail because sometimes good mail gets in the junk mail
folder and I would rather go through it manually.

Well, you could define your own rule that lists each e-mail address and
where the rule [permanently] deletes mails from those senders. According to
, "Messages from people or domain names on your Blocked Senders List will
always be treated as junk e-mail messages". Well, that means blocked
senders are handled the same way as any other detection criteria for junk
mail. That's why you need to write up your own separate rule. Hope you
enjoy managing a huge long list of e-mail addresses in a rule (or back in
the Blocked Senders list).

The blocked or junk senders list works only against one category of mail:
Unwanted mail sent from someone who always claims to be sending from the
same e-mail address. You really think spammers fall into that category?

Notice I said "unwanted mail", not "spam". Recipients often abuse the term
"spam" when in fact it is not spam but simply unwanted mail. For example,
it could be for a newsletter that they no longer want but cannot get the
unsubscribe procedure to work or they don't remember the credentials
necessary to unsubscribe. It could be for e-mails from some boob that
thinks it is cute to add you to their joke distribution list but their
static e-mail address is bogus so you cannot request them to remove you from
their list.

Spammers don't use their own e-mail address(es). Duh! The From header may
not even contain a validly syntaxed e-mail address. Just like you in how
you configure your e-mail account for E-mail address and Name, the spammer
can also use anything they want. Their e-mail address will be bogus. It
may contain a known valid domain but the username is bogus. It may be a
valid e-mail address but for someone OTHER than the spammer. You really
think a blocked list of e-mail addresses is effective against the slew of
infected hosts running mailer trojans that generate usernames or steal them
from the infected host's address book(s)? You really believe that spammers
are moral enough to truly identify themselves?

For everyone using a blocked/junk senders list, the spammers get a big laugh
at all your wasted efforts. Spammers use fake or spoofed e-mail addresses.
Your blocked/junk list is ineffective against spam.

Also read http://www.outlookpower.com/issuesprint/issue200509/00001642.html.

 

[Vanguard]

Oops, forgot the link in my prior post.
http://www.microsoft.com/office/editions/prodinfo/junkmail.mspx is where
Microsoft says, "Messages from people or domain names on your Blocked
Senders List will always be treated as junk e-mail messages".

 

[Chris]

Thanks for the info.
I am trying to avoid a huge list in a rule ... I am fine with letting
outlook decide what is obvious junk but there are specific ones I am adding
to the blocked senders list and that is what I want to just directly delete.
I will look more into maybe setting up a rule for them but it is a bit of a
hassle.
Thanks again

How do I get outlook 2003 to automatically delete emails I receive that
are on my blocked sender list? I do not want them placed in the junk
mail folder, just deleted. I also do not want to automatically delete
suspected junk mail because sometimes good mail gets in the junk mail
folder and I would rather go through it manually.

Well, you could define your own rule that lists each e-mail address and
where the rule [permanently] deletes mails from those senders. According
to , "Messages from people or domain names on your Blocked Senders List
will always be treated as junk e-mail messages". Well, that means blocked
senders are handled the same way as any other detection criteria for junk
mail. That's why you need to write up your own separate rule. Hope you
enjoy managing a huge long list of e-mail addresses in a rule (or back in
the Blocked Senders list).

The blocked or junk senders list works only against one category of mail:
Unwanted mail sent from someone who always claims to be sending from the
same e-mail address. You really think spammers fall into that category?

Notice I said "unwanted mail", not "spam". Recipients often abuse the
term "spam" when in fact it is not spam but simply unwanted mail. For
example, it could be for a newsletter that they no longer want but cannot
get the unsubscribe procedure to work or they don't remember the
credentials necessary to unsubscribe. It could be for e-mails from some
boob that thinks it is cute to add you to their joke distribution list but
their static e-mail address is bogus so you cannot request them to remove
you from their list.

Spammers don't use their own e-mail address(es). Duh! The From header
may not even contain a validly syntaxed e-mail address. Just like you in
how you configure your e-mail account for E-mail address and Name, the
spammer can also use anything they want. Their e-mail address will be
bogus. It may contain a known valid domain but the username is bogus. It
may be a valid e-mail address but for someone OTHER than the spammer. You
really think a blocked list of e-mail addresses is effective against the
slew of infected hosts running mailer trojans that generate usernames or
steal them from the infected host's address book(s)? You really believe
that spammers are moral enough to truly identify themselves?

For everyone using a blocked/junk senders list, the spammers get a big
laugh at all your wasted efforts. Spammers use fake or spoofed e-mail
addresses. Your blocked/junk list is ineffective against spam.

Also read
http://www.outlookpower.com/issuesprint/issue200509/00001642.html.

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[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

you'll need to disable junk email as it runs before rules. The only names
you should add to the lists are safe senders. It's a waste to add blocked
senders, especially when the junk filter should take care of them. If it
doesn't, get a better spam filter.

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Thanks for the info.
I am trying to avoid a huge list in a rule ... I am fine with letting
outlook decide what is obvious junk but there are specific ones I am
adding to the blocked senders list and that is what I want to just
directly delete.
I will look more into maybe setting up a rule for them but it is a bit of
a hassle.
Thanks again

How do I get outlook 2003 to automatically delete emails I receive that
are on my blocked sender list? I do not want them placed in the junk
mail folder, just deleted. I also do not want to automatically delete
suspected junk mail because sometimes good mail gets in the junk mail
folder and I would rather go through it manually.

Well, you could define your own rule that lists each e-mail address and
where the rule [permanently] deletes mails from those senders. According
to , "Messages from people or domain names on your Blocked Senders List
will always be treated as junk e-mail messages". Well, that means
blocked senders are handled the same way as any other detection criteria
for junk mail. That's why you need to write up your own separate rule.
Hope you enjoy managing a huge long list of e-mail addresses in a rule
(or back in the Blocked Senders list).

The blocked or junk senders list works only against one category of mail:
Unwanted mail sent from someone who always claims to be sending from the
same e-mail address. You really think spammers fall into that category?

Notice I said "unwanted mail", not "spam". Recipients often abuse the
term "spam" when in fact it is not spam but simply unwanted mail. For
example, it could be for a newsletter that they no longer want but cannot
get the unsubscribe procedure to work or they don't remember the
credentials necessary to unsubscribe. It could be for e-mails from some
boob that thinks it is cute to add you to their joke distribution list
but their static e-mail address is bogus so you cannot request them to
remove you from their list.

Spammers don't use their own e-mail address(es). Duh! The From header
may not even contain a validly syntaxed e-mail address. Just like you in
how you configure your e-mail account for E-mail address and Name, the
spammer can also use anything they want. Their e-mail address will be
bogus. It may contain a known valid domain but the username is bogus.
It may be a valid e-mail address but for someone OTHER than the spammer.
You really think a blocked list of e-mail addresses is effective against
the slew of infected hosts running mailer trojans that generate usernames
or steal them from the infected host's address book(s)? You really
believe that spammers are moral enough to truly identify themselves?

For everyone using a blocked/junk senders list, the spammers get a big
laugh at all your wasted efforts. Spammers use fake or spoofed e-mail
addresses. Your blocked/junk list is ineffective against spam.

Also read
http://www.outlookpower.com/issuesprint/issue200509/00001642.html.

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[Vanguard]

you'll need to disable junk email as it runs before rules. The only names
you should add to the lists are safe senders. It's a waste to add blocked
senders, especially when the junk filter should take care of them. If it
doesn't, get a better spam filter.

Back in OL2002 that I'm still using, enabling junk filtering (as little as
it does) creates a new rule (forget its name) that you could reposition in
the list of rules. In OL2003, there is no associated rule generated when
junk filtering is enabled (that you could then reposition)?

 

[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

No. Outlook 2003 uses a Bayesian based filter that is separate from rules.
It has blocked and safe sender lists that are also not rules based.