2nd HDD install fails with OS *XP/PRO

[RedFox8391]

Installed a 2nd hd 160GB *internal* on usb, external enclosure, it gets
recognized by xp disk management, my computer, etc., I formatted it and
tried to load xp-pro, but after it formats and loads the OS and restarts
it gives me a BSOD saying it can not proceed, something is wrong, tells
me to *chkdsk /f* but I can not do it, does not let me get to it (hd), I
get the following codes: Stop:0x0000007B,(0xFC7C640, 0xC0000034,
0x00000000, 0x00000000).
When I check the hd (E, it has the Windows folder with all the files
but does not boot with the dual boot created by xp.
This is a Laptop with a 80GB HD with XP-Pro installed on it.

Any help will be much appreciated,

RedFox

 

[DL]

An Internal hd on an *External connection*, I dont believe this will work,
allthough there are some who have apparently succeeded

 

[Anna]

RedFox:
Could you explain what you mean when you say that you "tried to load xp-pro"
on your USB external hard drive? Are you trying to install the XP OS onto
that USBEHD? Or have you somehow accomplished this through your present
laptop's OS? Or did you use a disk imaging program to clone the contents of
your laptop's HDD to the external HDD?

What do you mean "it does not boot with the dual boot created by xp". When
you boot to your laptop with the USBEHD connected you get a boot menu from
XP?

Anyway, while an XP OS can be installed on a USBEHD through a disk-cloning
operation using a disk imaging program, it is not bootable under those
circumstances.
Anna

 

[RedFox8391]

RedFox:
Could you explain what you mean when you say that you "tried to load xp-pro"
on your USB external hard drive? Are you trying to install the XP OS onto
that USBEHD? Or have you somehow accomplished this through your present
laptop's OS? Or did you use a disk imaging program to clone the contents of
your laptop's HDD to the external HDD?

Loaded my XP-Pro cd and booted from it, it sees my new HD, formats it,
gives it the letter E:, loads the files on it, and then it goes to next
step which is *restart* and then I get the BSOD with the codes I
included here.

What do you mean "it does not boot with the dual boot created by xp". When
you boot to your laptop with the USBEHD connected you get a boot menu from
XP?

When xp-pro starts to load another OS or same above, it creates a dual
boot automacticaly.

Anyway, while an XP OS can be installed on a USBEHD through a disk-cloning
operation using a disk imaging program, it is not bootable under those
circumstances.
Anna

Did not clone it, installed it has a regular xp install. it's a regular
hd, I do have a external hd for extra storage/backups on a usb/Firewire
(in this case, it's connected to the 1394), configuration but did not
fire it up just to not cause any confusion.

Thanks Anna

RedFox

 

[Stefan Z Camilleri]

RedFox:
Could you explain what you mean when you say that you "tried to load
xp-pro"
on your USB external hard drive? Are you trying to install the XP OS onto
that USBEHD? Or have you somehow accomplished this through your present
laptop's OS? Or did you use a disk imaging program to clone the contents
of
your laptop's HDD to the external HDD?

What do you mean "it does not boot with the dual boot created by xp".
When
you boot to your laptop with the USBEHD connected you get a boot menu
from
XP?

Anyway, while an XP OS can be installed on a USBEHD through a
disk-cloning
operation using a disk imaging program, it is not bootable under those
circumstances.
Anna

The only way for this to work is to obtain a hacked copy of a windows XP
kernel that boots off a USB flash drive.... there are some running around
the net.

The reason for this is, I believe, that the USB bus is re-initialised
toward the end of the boot-up sequence, after the USB bus drivers are
loaded, this is so that all connected devices will trigger the required
hardware interrupts for the OS to detect them.

So what is effectively happening here is that the kernel is cutting access
to itself basically... resulting in a BSOD.

Just in case, there exists a generic USB driver here -->
http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm that you might want to play around with
(through the F6 - Install SCSI drivers option)... though I have little
faith that it would work.

 

[RedFox8391]

The only way for this to work is to obtain a hacked copy of a windows XP
kernel that boots off a USB flash drive.... there are some running
around the net.

The reason for this is, I believe, that the USB bus is re-initialised
toward the end of the boot-up sequence, after the USB bus drivers are
loaded, this is so that all connected devices will trigger the required
hardware interrupts for the OS to detect them.

So what is effectively happening here is that the kernel is cutting
access to itself basically... resulting in a BSOD.

Just in case, there exists a generic USB driver here -->
http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm that you might want to play around with
(through the F6 - Install SCSI drivers option)... though I have little
faith that it would work.

--- Stefan Z Camilleri
- www.szc001.com

Thanks Stephan, but I'm not a techie by any chance, just that I once had
a desktop with 6 hard drives and different OS's in each, from WinForW
3.11, Win95, Win98, WinMe, WinXpHome and Xp-pro, so I thought I could
install it here in this Laptop without any trouble and all I find is
*PROBLEMS*?? (that desktop I built with great help from a friend, mostly
done by him, thank God!!).
Are you sure I can't do it here?? do you know what those error codes do
mean't?? wish I would be able to tinker with those usb drivers!!

I do need help, quite a lot, I know!!

Thanks

RedFox

 

[Stefan Z Camilleri]

Thanks Stephan, but I'm not a techie by any chance, just that I once had
a desktop with 6 hard drives and different OS's in each, from WinForW
3.11, Win95, Win98, WinMe, WinXpHome and Xp-pro, so I thought I could
install it here in this Laptop without any trouble and all I find is
*PROBLEMS*?? (that desktop I built with great help from a friend, mostly
done by him, thank God!!).
Are you sure I can't do it here?? do you know what those error codes do
mean't?? wish I would be able to tinker with those usb drivers!!

I do need help, quite a lot, I know!!

Thanks

RedFox

Unfortunately it is not so easy, that error code means "Inaccessible Boot
Device" which is basically what I explained

Well, if you're adventerous and want to play around a little, try using
this to build your OS --> http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

Remember, even though this is a hdd we're talking about, as far as windows
is concerned, this is just another usb drive... it could be a pen drive
for all it cares.

The instructions are very detailed, but the idea is that it does what I
explained above for you.

 

[RedFox8391]

Unfortunately it is not so easy, that error code means "Inaccessible
Boot Device" which is basically what I explained

Well, if you're adventerous and want to play around a little, try using
this to build your OS --> http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

Remember, even though this is a hdd we're talking about, as far as
windows is concerned, this is just another usb drive... it could be a
pen drive for all it cares.

The instructions are very detailed, but the idea is that it does what I
explained above for you.


--- Stefan Z Camilleri
- www.szc001.com

I went to that website and read the page, it seems that it makes a
bootable cd/dvd and he also talks about a slipstreemed cd/dvd? is this
the same as the other and what exactly that does for me and my
problem??please remember that I'm not a techie, I need very detailed
instructions in order to understand and be able to follow those
instructions, does that boo cd/dvd will make xp boot from the usb
drive?? and how so?? I do have the xp cd and a separate sp2 cd, would it
make a slipstreemed cd/dvd from the hard drive as he say's??

Thanks very much for your patience,

RedFox

 

[DL]

It creates a cd/dvd which is bootable and allows you to intregate drivers
and other such things into the cd.

However this alone will not enable you to boot from your external drive.
BTW Since you ignored my first post; to reiterate, when it is stated win
wont boot from an external disk it means from an external connection. Not
the type of HD, and since you connect via usb as others have posted it could
be simply a memory stick.

I dont know whether a mobo with an eSata or external sata connector would
enable you to boot from an external enclosure.

 

[RedFox8391]

It creates a cd/dvd which is bootable and allows you to intregate drivers
and other such things into the cd.

However this alone will not enable you to boot from your external drive.
BTW Since you ignored my first post; to reiterate, when it is stated win
wont boot from an external disk it means from an external connection. Not
the type of HD, and since you connect via usb as others have posted it could
be simply a memory stick.

I dont know whether a mobo with an eSata or external sata connector would
enable you to boot from an external enclosure.

DL,
thanks for your advice, it's very welcome. My HD is a sata one that I
bought during a special sale at CompUsa on advice from the local tech
who said that it would work ok either as a sata or an ide even if my
mobo does not offer a sata connection long as I had the external
enclosure with the right connections which I proceeded to get one, the
reason to buy this hd was one of savings, with the special pricing and
rebate, it cost just $29.99!! fo a 160GB hd. For booting up purposes
does not make a difference which hd I use, right???
That cd/dvd from BartPE just allows me to install drivers but does not
allow me to boot from it, right?? still does not allow to finish
installing the xp-pro OS???
My laptop is a Pentium M, Dothan Centrino 1.7GHZ, 845GM Chipset (?), 1
GB Ram, ATI 9700M-11 128MB Ram, 80GB EIDE HD, about 2 yrs old.
As a solution to my problem with running 2 OS's either different ones or
the same, I could reformat the internal hd in 2 partitions (bootable?)
and just use the external for storage purposes right? This problem of
mine with wanting to have 2 bootable hd's mainly was for the purpose of
experimenting with Linux OS's like Ubuntu, see if could learn to work
with it and would like to operate it, I have been looking around and I
think this is the right time to go into it, what do you think about it??
I'm retired and money is not easily available as you might know, but I
would like to get my hands on a older desktop setup, not too old, right?
that way I could eliminate all these problems with extra drives that not
work to my expectations.

Thanks again,

RedFox

 

[Stefan Z Camilleri]

DL,
thanks for your advice, it's very welcome. My HD is a sata one that I
bought during a special sale at CompUsa on advice from the local tech
who said that it would work ok either as a sata or an ide even if my
mobo does not offer a sata connection long as I had the external
enclosure with the right connections which I proceeded to get one, the
reason to buy this hd was one of savings, with the special pricing and
rebate, it cost just $29.99!! fo a 160GB hd. For booting up purposes
does not make a difference which hd I use, right???
That cd/dvd from BartPE just allows me to install drivers but does not
allow me to boot from it, right?? still does not allow to finish
installing the xp-pro OS???
My laptop is a Pentium M, Dothan Centrino 1.7GHZ, 845GM Chipset (?), 1
GB Ram, ATI 9700M-11 128MB Ram, 80GB EIDE HD, about 2 yrs old.
As a solution to my problem with running 2 OS's either different ones or
the same, I could reformat the internal hd in 2 partitions (bootable?)
and just use the external for storage purposes right? This problem of
mine with wanting to have 2 bootable hd's mainly was for the purpose of
experimenting with Linux OS's like Ubuntu, see if could learn to work
with it and would like to operate it, I have been looking around and I
think this is the right time to go into it, what do you think about it??
I'm retired and money is not easily available as you might know, but I
would like to get my hands on a older desktop setup, not too old, right?
that way I could eliminate all these problems with extra drives that not
work to my expectations.

Thanks again,

RedFox

Hi RedFox... sorry for not replying instantly last time but I had gone to
sleep by then Thankfully DL helped you out.

Well, if the reason for your wanting to have two operating systems is to
test ubuntu, then with the specs of your notebook you might be better off
running it in a virtual machine. I personally have 6 different linux,
redhat and windows installations running on virtual machines, which i just
boot up from within windows whenever i want to test software i write on
them. They are fast at everything except 3d graphics, plus an added
advantage that you can literally work in linux and windows simultaneously.

As for the idea of using the 160hdd as external storage... that is by far
the best way to go. I personally in fact have two external sata
enclosures, one is my main data drive and the other is a 24hr de-synched
backup (i.e. evenings only). This way if something goes bust on my pc, my
data is safe... and if i need to take my work on another pc, maybe mine is
for repairs or something, i just hook up my external enclosure to some
other pc and i can resume.

Also, if you insist on dual booting, then your best way to go is to
install ubuntu... don't worry about partitioning, as ubuntu, as from
breezy badger onward, will automatically partition your hdd without
loosing your data

And wow... $29.99 for a 160Gb! That reminds me of when i bought my
external enclosure for $10 and found an 80Gb hdd inside.. kept it for a
few days, but eventually called the guy and told him.. it was a mistake by
the shop! :sigh:

Anyway, I hope I've been of help... for virtualization, i personally
recommend vmware it's very cheap, and very good

 

[RedFox8391]

Hi RedFox... sorry for not replying instantly last time but I had gone
to sleep by then Thankfully DL helped you out.

Well, if the reason for your wanting to have two operating systems is to
test ubuntu, then with the specs of your notebook you might be better
off running it in a virtual machine. I personally have 6 different
linux, redhat and windows installations running on virtual machines,
which i just boot up from within windows whenever i want to test
software i write on them. They are fast at everything except 3d
graphics, plus an added advantage that you can literally work in linux
and windows simultaneously.

As for the idea of using the 160hdd as external storage... that is by
far the best way to go. I personally in fact have two external sata
enclosures, one is my main data drive and the other is a 24hr de-synched
backup (i.e. evenings only). This way if something goes bust on my pc,
my data is safe... and if i need to take my work on another pc, maybe
mine is for repairs or something, i just hook up my external enclosure
to some other pc and i can resume.

Also, if you insist on dual booting, then your best way to go is to
install ubuntu... don't worry about partitioning, as ubuntu, as from
breezy badger onward, will automatically partition your hdd without
loosing your data

And wow... $29.99 for a 160Gb! That reminds me of when i bought my
external enclosure for $10 and found an 80Gb hdd inside.. kept it for a
few days, but eventually called the guy and told him.. it was a mistake
by the shop! :sigh:

Anyway, I hope I've been of help... for virtualization, i personally
recommend vmware it's very cheap, and very good

--- Stefan Z Camilleri
- www.szc001.com

Hi Stefan,
I have heard of vitualization but don't know if I can work with that,
it's something to do with making an imaginary hd and work from it,
right? it goes away after shutting the computer or stay's after that
when you reboot? is it *easy** to setup?? is there *docs* somewhere
where I can read about setting it up??
I still would like to have a dual boot OS, and yes, I read that Ubuntu
or other distro would set itself without too much trouble, but I would
have to read more about the installation process to venture in it.
Do you still advise to make the BartPE cd/dvd bootable disk?? I have the
XP-Pro cd and the separate XP-SP2 cd, if I do that, will the BPE setup
find both locations and make the right boot disk??

Thanks for thelp,

RedFox

 

[RedFox8391]

It creates a cd/dvd which is bootable and allows you to intregate drivers
and other such things into the cd.

However this alone will not enable you to boot from your external drive.
BTW Since you ignored my first post; to reiterate, when it is stated win
wont boot from an external disk it means from an external connection. Not
the type of HD, and since you connect via usb as others have posted it could
be simply a memory stick.

I dont know whether a mobo with an eSata or external sata connector would
enable you to boot from an external enclosure.

DL, I thought that I replied to you and Anna's post's together, and I
replied to your 2nd post to you directly but so far no answer from you,
you see, I'm not a hacker, geek or a techie person, I need detailed
answers to form an opinion has to what is the right way to handle things
or how to go about implementing the suggestions placed here, for which
I'm very gratefull.
If I ask, is because I don't know and I figure I should ask before I
make problems for myself or damage my laptop in the process, I realise
that I can't force anybody to supply me with the knowlege that I don't
have and I do am gratefull for any help that I can get here. I was told
that I could acomplish what I set up to do which was to make another
bootable HD through the USB port, I'm sure you will believe me that I
will not ask that person any more questions computer related!!!
Even if the HD that I bought was cheap enough plus the external
enclosure, all I have now is just another external storage/backup
device, which I already had another for that purpose.

Thanks very much for your effort,

RedFox