2nd build - after 5 years


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Tom Thompson

RTFM - RTFM - RTFM!!!

Thank you, Rodney!!!

Temp now holds steady at 29C

The pump just wasn'r running.

Tom
 
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Flasherly

Thank you, Rodney!!!

Temp now holds steady at 29C

The pump just wasn'r running.

Now you can listen for substandardization relating to noise from the
fans, possibly premature failure. All fans are certainly not equal.
Watch for a good sale on killer replacements or have a look at what's
available from direct China/Singapore marketing channels. (Middlemen
got their fingers into a cut on everything "named" these days.)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6984/thermaltake-water-30-closed-loop-cooler-roundup/5

Looks otherwise decent for a contained water cooler. Wouldn't mind
trying one someday. Should certainly stop to compare before deciding
on anything in the way of better/expensive air coolers.

This whole subject is reminding me I need get in to that Gigabyte with
a laser temp spotting scope and find offending chipsets and what's
setting off SpeedFan. I've plenty old heatsinks from over the years,
the right kind of mating compounds for hacksawing out fitted heatsinks
for better cooling than what I'm getting. Cool is cool: works and
lasts a long time.
 
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Bill

Tom said:
RTFM - RTFM - RTFM!!!

Thank you, Rodney!!!

Temp now holds steady at 29C

The pump just wasn'r running.

Tom

Congratulations! Did you plug it into the CPU_fan connector?

Bill
 
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Tom Thompson

Congratulations! Did you plug it into the CPU_fan connector?

Bill

Well, the alternate CPU fan connector. The primary was too far under
the radiator fan assembly. Seems that the cooler instructions had you
plugging the radiator fans into a y-arangement and then into the CPU fan
connector. The company tech support agrees that the fan got power from
the USB plug as I told him that I had just plugged the 2 radiator fans i
nto the CPU and CPU alternate MB plugs.

Still have the minor issue that the MB wants to stop the boot since it
cannot detect the fan running. Both fans as well as the pump are running
off of the the MB secondary cpu fan connector. Bypassed the error, but
what if there is something else???

Tom
 
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Rodney Pont

Still have the minor issue that the MB wants to stop the boot since it
cannot detect the fan running. Both fans as well as the pump are running
off of the the MB secondary cpu fan connector. Bypassed the error, but
what if there is something else???

I think you need to plug the pump into the CPU fan connector, even if
it means taking the radiator out to do it. You said you had to drill
holes for the radiator screws, I think. Have both fans got a free flow
of air out of the case?

Where I've seen fans that are intended to connect via a 'Y' cable one
of them hasn't had the clock lead in some cases. In others it's a
missing pin in one of the 'Y' connecter plugs for the fan. How does
your setup ensure that there is only a pulse from one fan getting to
the motherboard when the 'Y' cable is used? (Wondering if the fan you
have got connected to the CPU fan plug is missing a clock pulse.)
 
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Flasherly

Thank you for posting a link to the "Cooler Round-up". FWIW, I am drawn
to this "dry" one (Noctua NH-D15):

That's a "bad boy" for sure -- 12-pipes and split fins. Also kinda
looks "logical" for a next step forward from plain "monster"
heatsinks. Of course it's fundamentally about the CPU and a lot more
critical to choose right with CPU offerings and their demands now.
 
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Bill

Flasherly said:
Of course it's fundamentally about the CPU and a lot more critical to
choose right with CPU offerings and their demands now.

You are right of course. I would give up a few hundred GHz to avoid the
"hassle" associated with these hot cpu's.

I don't even "game"--I just occasionally run demanding mathematical
programs. But my current 2.8 GHz Intel i7 cpu has served me without much
complaint.
The only problem is my wife wants my computer, so I have to find a new
one! : )

Bill
 
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Paul

Bill said:
You are right of course. I would give up a few hundred GHz to avoid the
"hassle" associated with these hot cpu's.

I don't even "game"--I just occasionally run demanding mathematical
programs. But my current 2.8 GHz Intel i7 cpu has served me without much
complaint.
The only problem is my wife wants my computer, so I have to find a new
one! : )

Bill

You better think about the installation pretty carefully.
That thing is huge. 2.4 pounds. Will be over top of the
RAM slots.

Look for a review showing how to install it, just to be
sure no hair loss is involved. With some cooler/RAM combos,
you have to remove the fins from the top of the RAM, to get
the RAM to fit. There is at least one high performance DIMM,
where the upper third of the cooler comes off, via two screws.

Many of these companies, if doing a bolt-thru kit, don't
know how to make good screws, and the screws strip while
you're tightening them up.

The customer reviews should tell you a lot about
whether it's worth it or not.

Paul
 
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Flasherly

The only problem is my wife wants my computer, so I have to find a new
one! : )

Last I looked, sometime ago, I found both these on Ebay (the cooler is
on a x2 AMD 4000. The D805 wouldn't quite handle multimedia needs,
either alone by itself, but not running both a decoder for video and
splitting off its audio for another sound-leveling, normalization
process, whereas the x2 AMD and the Antec cooler is just about right
for that. May have gotten the AMD CPU and memory also from Ebay, but
didn't save the prices.) First time I'd looked to buying (some
components) used and turned out fine.

-
(this file dated 9/2012 - roughly accurate timeframe)

Intel Pentium D 805 2.66 GHz LGA 775 CPU SL8ZH 2M/533 dual core 64-bit
10.95 shipped

Antec Performance - Processor Cooler - (Socket 478, Socket 754, Socket
940, Socket 939) - Aluminum And Copper
Compatibility: Socket 478, Socket 754, Socket 940, Socket 939
Heatsink Material: Aluminum and copper
ALTERNATE ITEM #: 0761345-77099-6
UPC: 761345770996
MANUFACTURER NAME: Antec, Inc
ITEM #: 67885F

10.91 shipped
 
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Tom Thompson

Well, both cooler fans are the 4-pin type and the "tail" of the Y is a 3-
pin going into the 4-pin on the motherboard. So, doesn't seem like it
would make any difference assuming that the alternate CPU fan MB input
could see the RPM signal. I think the problem is that we have both fans
as well as the pump running off of the 12V MB fan connector. After
reading the box, that's up to 1.6A thru that connector. Oh well, guess
it can handle it.

Plenty of airflow from the 2 fans as my "adjustment" of the holes moved
the radiator/fan assembly about 3/4 inch away from the motherboard. In a
previous post, which looked like a lot of garbage, I tried to post a jpg
of the arrangement, but if you take a look at the CoolerMaster HAF 935 I
have put everything into the large bottom half with the radiator fans
blowing up/out of the case. Pretty slick really.

Tom
 
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Paul

Tom said:
Well, both cooler fans are the 4-pin type and the "tail" of the Y is a 3-
pin going into the 4-pin on the motherboard. So, doesn't seem like it
would make any difference assuming that the alternate CPU fan MB input
could see the RPM signal. I think the problem is that we have both fans
as well as the pump running off of the 12V MB fan connector. After
reading the box, that's up to 1.6A thru that connector. Oh well, guess
it can handle it.

Plenty of airflow from the 2 fans as my "adjustment" of the holes moved
the radiator/fan assembly about 3/4 inch away from the motherboard. In a
previous post, which looked like a lot of garbage, I tried to post a jpg
of the arrangement, but if you take a look at the CoolerMaster HAF 935 I
have put everything into the large bottom half with the radiator fans
blowing up/out of the case. Pretty slick really.

Tom

The fan headers don't have fuse protection. (Whereas
all the USB ports have Polyfuses.)

If you manage to burn out the fan power rail, you can
use adapters like this to power the fans.

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-24067115789173/3-pin-to-4-pin-with-rpm-sensor-cb-334-11.gif

That adapter has:

1) Molex disk drive connector, for +12V and ground.
2) Three pin female with single yellow RPM wire. That goes to
the CPU fan header, to tell the motherboard that the
thing is spinning.
3) The shrouded male, connects to the fan. That's the
connector on the right of the picture. The shrouded
design is intended to prevent accidental contact between
the male pins, and electrical items inside the computer.
(I've made home-made cables, with the un-shrouded male
on mine, but be very very careful :) )

Some motherboard manuals list per-fan header limit as
well as a "sum total 12V fan rail limit". And that
section of the manual, never explains any of that
to my satisfaction. They just plunk down some numbers
and leave the rest to the imagination.

The 37-603 connector here, has a rating of 3 amps,
which is unbelievable. I've used products from this
place to make cables up. For example, I have some
37-602 connectors right in front of me now, and I can't
believe that thing is rated at 3 amps. The pins
provided in the bag are relatively substantial, and
the mating (male) connector has 0.025" pins. It looks
more like a 1 amp pin than a 3 amp pin.

http://mode-elec.com/pdf/connectors/37-6XX.pdf

So if you believe that spec, then 1.6 amps
to power the whole cooler is not a problem
(as far as the connector itself is concerned).

But the track inside the motherboard can be a limitation.
And with no fuse protection, they've designed the track
to function as the fuse. We need the motherboard maker
to tell us what that limit is.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Bill

Paul said:
You better think about the installation pretty carefully.
That thing is huge. 2.4 pounds. Will be over top of the
RAM slots.

You are probably right, and "common-sense" too suggests hanging 2.4
pounds off of a CPU cooler is not prudent.
I don't mind "blowing the dust out" twice a year, but I am not seeking a
system that I have to worry about or that takes more maintenance than that.
I think I'll hope that Broadwell shows something pleasing...

Cheers,
Bill
 
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Bill

Flasherly said:
Last I looked, sometime ago, I found both these on Ebay (the cooler is
on a x2 AMD 4000. The D805 wouldn't quite handle multimedia needs,
either alone by itself, but not running both a decoder for video and
splitting off its audio for another sound-leveling, normalization
process, whereas the x2 AMD and the Antec cooler is just about right
for that. May have gotten the AMD CPU and memory also from Ebay, but
didn't save the prices.) First time I'd looked to buying (some
components) used and turned out fine.

-
(this file dated 9/2012 - roughly accurate timeframe)

Intel Pentium D 805 2.66 GHz LGA 775 CPU SL8ZH 2M/533 dual core 64-bit
10.95 shipped

Antec Performance - Processor Cooler - (Socket 478, Socket 754, Socket
940, Socket 939) - Aluminum And Copper
Compatibility: Socket 478, Socket 754, Socket 940, Socket 939
Heatsink Material: Aluminum and copper
ALTERNATE ITEM #: 0761345-77099-6
UPC: 761345770996
MANUFACTURER NAME: Antec, Inc
ITEM #: 67885F

10.91 shipped

You did very well. That certainly suggests more options for me to build
for my wife. I have an old (Sata) 1 TB drive sitting on the floor doing
nothing...

Bill
 
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Flasherly

You did very well. That certainly suggests more options for me to build
for my wife. I have an old (Sata) 1 TB drive sitting on the floor doing
nothing...

Bill


A "scrape and scratch" system for spare parts, extra beater
case/workable ps, maybe some mem, hd, like you say -- with time to
settle on and decide on a good new MB;- those CPUs, mom&pop computer
shops on Ebay, if they say it's a working pull and offer 10 days money
back...that's a "no problemo" situation.
 
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Tom Thompson

The "both fans and the pump" appears to be the intent of the Cooler guy.
I'll have to look into spliting it up, per haps puting the fans into the
2 fan connectors and the pump into a Molex as you have shown.

Thanks,

Tom
 

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