20 Pin Power Supply and no SATA either???

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newbie99

I got my A8N-E and a WD SATA drive. Found out the board needs a 24 pin
power connector. I bought a cheap casew/PS that only has the 20 pin
connector and no connectors for SATA either. Do I have to shell out $$$
for a new power supply to run both or are their cheap adapters I can use?
 
R

RBM

There are adapters for both however your cheap power supply may not be
adequate for the PCIE graphics card
 
M

Mark A

newbie99 said:
I got my A8N-E and a WD SATA drive. Found out the board needs a 24 pin
power connector. I bought a cheap casew/PS that only has the 20 pin
connector and no connectors for SATA either. Do I have to shell out $$$
for a new power supply to run both or are their cheap adapters I can use?

WD SATA drives have both conventional Molex power inputs and SATA power
inputs. In fact, if you use the WD SecureConnect cables, you must use the
regular Molex power connectors.

The Seasonic S12-380 PSU is very good quality and is very quiet.
 
P

Paul

newbie99 said:
I got my A8N-E and a WD SATA drive. Found out the board needs a 24 pin
power connector. I bought a cheap casew/PS that only has the 20 pin
connector and no connectors for SATA either. Do I have to shell out $$$
for a new power supply to run both or are their cheap adapters I can use?

For SATA drives, there are a number of possibilities. In
the few pictures I could find with the WDC connector area
exposed, it looks like there is a standard four pin power
cable on there. You could, for example, use a WDC WDSC50RCW
SecureConnect cable for just the data connection, then use
the legacy molex disk drive connector for power. As shown
here:

http://www.wdc.com/en/library/sata/2579-001075.pdf

Some SATA drives have a SATA power area and a legacy power
connector. You only need to connect one of the two of them.
AFAIK, at the moment, the drives are still using +5V and +12V,
and the drives may not be using any lower voltages which are
only available via the SATA power connector. That means either
power connector would suffice. When the day comes that drives
use lower voltages, the legacy connector will disappear.

As for the 20 versus 24 pin thing, if your video card is not
a top of the line card (say, maybe a X300 or something), then
you would be under the six amp limit for the single +12V pin
on the 20 pin connector. The 20 pin will fit if it is right
justified (pushed to one end of the 24 pin motherboard
connector). Examine the plastic housing around each pin, and
you'll discover there is only one way to insert the power
cable, without any of the connector "hanging out over the end".
As long as the 20 pin is fully mated with 20 of the pins on
the 24 pin connector, it should work. If you cannot seem
to get the housing to line up, post back here for more advice,
rather than force something and break it.

"20 pin PSU meets 24 pin motherboard"
http://www.d-cross.net/cgi-bin/show_article/upload/11/intel-775p4-atx.jpg

If you are using a high end video card, in order to continue
to use the 20 pin power connector, you need to get some data.
The sum of the current draw of your video card from the +12V rail,
plus the sum of the currents drawn by the 12V fans connected to
the motherboard fan headers, must be less than 6 amps total. If
you allow about 1 amp for the fans, that leaves 5 amps for the
video card.

For example, Xbitlabs measures current on video cards, and on
this page they measured 4.35amps on +12V. I think that is about
as far as I would want to push a 20 pin power connector. When
you use a 24 pin connector, there are two pins to carry +12V,
meaning up to 12 amps (minus 1 amp for fans) could be drawn
by PCI Express cards.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce6600gt-oc_3.html

"Thus, almost all the power the card consumes comes from the
12v line. The consumed current on this line is 4.07amp and rises
to 4.35amp at overclocking."

Now, in all of the above, I have not discussed how much power
the power supply should be able to produce. The above is only
addressing the possibility of melting the single +12V pin on
the 20 pin ATX power connector. I don't really know what
kind of breakdown the Athlon64 boards use for power. If we
allocate 6 amps for fans and video, 8.3 amps for a 90% efficient
conversion of power for a 90 watt processor, we are talking a
minimum of 15 amps of +12V rating printed on the label on the
side of the power supply. If the 3.3V has at least 15 amps
and the 5V has 15 to 20 amps minimum, that might be enough to
cover the other requirements - that is purely a guesstimate
with no basis in fact. You can try a tool like the following,
to get a conservative estimate of consumption per rail.

Start at the top of the list and enter your config. This is
likely using Javascript:

http://takaman.jp/D/?english

HTH,
Paul
 
J

Joe Schmuckatelli

WD SATA drives have both conventional Molex power inputs and SATA power
inputs.

Not anymore, they don't. At least not the 80GB I'm looking at.


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Mark A

WD SATA drives have both conventional Molex power inputs and SATA power
Not anymore, they don't. At least not the 80GB I'm looking at.
I recently purchased 2 SATA drives from WD and the did have both. Are you
sure you have SATA? What is model number and date of manufacture?
 
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Joe Schmuckatelli

I recently purchased 2 SATA drives from WD and the did have both. Are you
sure you have SATA?

It's kinda hard to confuse the two, you must admit. :)
What is model number and date of manufacture?

WD800JD-75JNA0, dated 29 Mar 2005. (And just to keep this thread
ontopic, it's plugged into a P5GD2 that we're building up for a
customer.)


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If you can read this .sig, you're too damn close.

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Mark A

Joe Schmuckatelli said:
WD800JD-75JNA0, dated 29 Mar 2005. (And just to keep this thread
ontopic, it's plugged into a P5GD2 that we're building up for a
customer.)

I don't know what to say, other than if that drive accepts a WD
SecureConnect SATA cable, then it must have both the SATA power input and
the Molex power input. That is because the WD SecureConnect SATA cable
blocks the SATA power input and you must power the drive using the Molex
connector.

You didn't say which power input your drive has (or which was one is
missing).
 
J

Joe Schmuckatelli

I don't know what to say, other than if that drive accepts a WD
SecureConnect SATA cable, then it must have both the SATA power input and
the Molex power input. That is because the WD SecureConnect SATA cable
blocks the SATA power input and you must power the drive using the Molex
connector.

The SATA cable is the red one that came with the motherboard, so I
don't think it's the SecureConnect that you mention. (I must confess
I've not seen one of these.)
You didn't say which power input your drive has (or which was one is
missing).

The Molex power input is the one that's missing. There is still a
spot for it in the back, and the traces are still present on the
drive's circuit board, but no pins. If you like, I can take some
digital pics and fire them off in your direction.


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If you can read this .sig, you're too damn close.

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Mark A

I don't know what to say, other than if that drive accepts a WD
The SATA cable is the red one that came with the motherboard, so I
don't think it's the SecureConnect that you mention. (I must confess
I've not seen one of these.)


The Molex power input is the one that's missing. There is still a
spot for it in the back, and the traces are still present on the
drive's circuit board, but no pins. If you like, I can take some
digital pics and fire them off in your direction.
I think your description is sufficient. I have no idea what your drive is,
but I know that it is not what WD sells to retail customers (in either
retail packaging or OEM packaging). You can check the specs on the WD web
page and see that they recommend using the WD SecureConnect cables, which
require that a Molex power connector be used, since the SecureConnect cable
covers up the SATA power connector.

I found a link that suggests that "maybe" the model you have were special
OEM drives made for Dell. I guess if you sell a lot of drives to Dell, then
even saving a few cents on each drive (by not including the input connector)
adds up to some money.
 

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