You must be kidding...RC2 rant/question...

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Guest

So let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
last week are just out of luck for RC2????

How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get RC2??
 
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moto

you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very limited
time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or something.
not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build, who
cares?

<DIV>&quot;ntgeek&quot; &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote in
 
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Guest

MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
subscription just for this reason!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
 
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Mark Gillespie

MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
subscription just for this reason!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Agreed MSDN folks really need to get their sh1t together, it's very slow
paced...
 
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Mike

WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this??? I
didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company also
pays for a subscription just for this reason)
 
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Chad Harris

There is no law against getting a Beta build from a Torrent. It is exactly
legal. LOL what confused people as to law.

CH
 
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Chad Harris

Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
different.

Or wait.

CH
 
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PowerUser

Put yourself in his shoes and see how you feel.

Chad Harris said:
Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
different.

Or wait.

CH
 
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Chad Harris

I always put myself in his shoes. It's been part of my regular profession
for years to do that. But I also have watched Vista evolve, fall way short
of the mark, see the same large issues not fixed for months and RTMing so
it's just not that big a deal nor that big a difference in the last few
builds frankly and I've drilled every one of the builds.

The Sinofsky erra is a lot more about selling than about the quality of the
product. I hope that attitude will result in the feedback that sales drop.

The saga of Cori Hartje and her goofey SPP (Software Protection Platform) is
going to be fun to watch in the Courts showing that sometimes Ray Ozzie,
Balmer and their plodding attorneys Jane Anderson and her boss Brad Smith
sign off on things that will spawn some large settlement agreements and pay
a lot of opposing attorney legal fees.

Whatever possessed MSFT to think they could force software updates onto
someone's computer in order to use their operating system and server is
beyond the pale, particularly when they have showcased a distinct lack of
ability to write code for WGA that hasn't screwed up widely 60 ways to
Christmas. Having stepped over the mark of simply harassing their
customers, MSFT has plunged itself into another losing legal fiasco much the
way the Bush government has plunged itself into the one in Iraq.

It is delusional to think you can get away with software that you force onto
computers that will shut down people's Vista and Longhorn server when you
aren't competent enough to write software that can correctly ID pirated
copies.

The workarounds will be numerous to block this illegal and eggregious afront
to customers and the class action suits will hit federal district courts
soon.

Comments are pouring in from Authors and MVPs on "SPP" and all of them are
critical of MSFT:
http://news.com.com/Vista+Views+Putting+PCs+on+hold+over+piracy/2009-1016_3-6123421.html?tag=nl


The support for the public has been the lowest quality possible, Convergys
of Ohio not MSFT at all for years and it hasn't budged an inch. It is the
dirty little secret not one MSFT employee ever wants to discuss. In every
post I made helping people to get RC2 I made it clear they would pull it
because although Redmond MSFT hasn't learned the Jobs mistique of marketing,
they do public Betas primarily for sales since they could care less about
public feedback and don't even allow the public to access bug reports on
Connect.

OEM named partners are gearing up to ship fraudulent so-called Recovery
discs that can't access these screens and Startup Repair won't see the light
of day from the crappy and worthless recovery discs and partitions as MSFT
and OEM Name Partners (not system builders) crank up another 6 years of "I
can't fix my Vista because I don't hae the DVD"



http://blogs.itecn.net/photos/liuhui/images/2014/500x375.aspx


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/42/Windows_Vista_System_Recovery.png


They withold their major article writing until long after Vista RTMS if then
in an environment where third party software and driver manufacture tags
along behind Vista RTM and launch like a 3 legged puppy.

CH
 
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Lang Murphy

Gee, Chad, ya think this guy wears size 38 shoes? Cause you sure did fill
them... LOL...

No offense intended... ;-D

Lang
 
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PowerUser

Could you give me some time with the reply? I have a case study to work on
for grad school.

I've seen this for the first time- A reply to a one line statement that
spans two screens. You clearly want your opinions heard and I'm interested.
In the meanwhile, anyone else is welcome to share their views about Chad's
post.
 
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Mike

ntgeek said:
So let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
last week are just out of luck for RC2????

How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get
RC2??


What, you didn't have a laptop with you while you were "out of town on
business"!?

Mike
 
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Chad Harris

MSFT has had many ways to show their large tin ears and lack of regard for
the customers that buy them their spiffy toys. None of the softies is just
scraping buy. You pay them handsomly for what you're getting. You also pay
them to ignore many many bugs. Note they wouldn't tell the NY Times how
many bugs they have or any detail after their Wagner Edstrom ad flacks got
them a featured article in the business section.

Let's put this in persective particularly if you are a Technet or an MSDN
subscriber, or even gasp, the unwashed public:

1) According to the Times, and this information is hard to get from MSFT
because they always claim they don't know when they do or that it's on their
site when it isn't when you ask any of them:

A Challenge For Exterminators
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/technology/09vista.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"This coordinated introduction is a multibillion-dollar proposition for
Microsoft, which has Windows running on some 845 million computers worldwide
and Office on more than 450 million, according to the market research firm
Gartner."

2) If you're MSDN or Technet you pay $900 or so for your membership. If
they aren't responsive to you and you don't have someone to call as a
conscierge or helper as most organizations have when you pay that kind of
money, demand it--because any other organization would accomodate you for
that kind of scratch with a smile. MSFT is constantly trying to sell
subscriptions on the web and at meetings.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/products/subscriptions/default.aspx

I found a UK Softie promoting Technet Plus for about $$506.4 dollars.

They don't have as many members as they'd like, because you can stand on a
street corner for a good while asking well dressed members of the public if
they know what a Technet or an MSDN is and they won't. But most of them
have no idea of the last 3 Presidents or their adjacent states and their
capitals in my country--finding an adult who doesn't do federal appellate
work that knows a S. Ct. cert needs 4 votes--priceless and it won't
happen--welcome to America the educated where one out of four graduates high
school and if you know kids going to Harvard, Yale or Stanford, most of them
cannot write acceptably at the freshman college level and have readvery few
classics or much else notable on the reading lists a few years ago. Welcome
to the net, and Web 2.0, Mr. Ozzie, and GTA San Andraes.

It is a country that has demonstrated unparalled apathy at death in Iraq as
long as there is no shared sacrifice and a population of largely ethnic
minorities have been contracted to take the risk, and the money hemorrhage
to criminal contractors has been eggregious with the planning and direction
done by a former pharmaceutical executive named Rumsfield. The limits of
the apathy to a population whose privacy has now been ransacked and has no
habeas corpus left is intriguing but it is apparently infinite. Perhaps it
will move just a notch come the first Tuesday in November as Vista ships and
a small percent of its people vote--most of whom don't know half the
candidates on the ballot.

2) No feedback portal exists for you on Connect. No bug info portal exists
for you either.

3) MSFT refuses to reveal info on bug progress that is substantive in any of
their PR media planted articles.

4) When you purchase a computer, if you don't build your own, you will be
paying one of 300 named partners for the privilege and MSFT will profit
handsomely for the pre-loaded Vista or Office of Longhorn Server software on
the box. You will have nothing whatsoever that has a decent chance of
reaching Desmond Lee's (PM MSFT Win RE Team) Startup Repair or these two
screens from OEM media that is not the OS or Server (recovery discs or
hidden or not so hidden partitions). This custom existed throughout Win 2K
and XP and every other OS, and it exists during Vista>Blackcomb Vienna. You
don't have to get used to it; you obviously have swallowed it.

If you are one of us who likes to recover lost OS's for MSFT customers since
their Indian Convergys of Ohio supoprt contractors have obvious problems
figuring out how to get this done, then you will quickly find out what
happens when you exhaust the Windows Advanced Options Menu at F8, that even
if they had and its rare known to preinstall the Recovery Console your
success will be limited in recovering Vista) and without the DVD as without
the CD in XP, you won't be taking them to these screens:

System Recovery Options
http://blogs.itecn.net/photos/liuhui/images/2014/500x375.aspx

Win RE Choices including Startup Repair
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/42/Windows_Vista_System_Recovery.png

CH
 
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Homer J. Simpson

Could you give me some time with the reply? I have a case study to work
on for grad school.

I've seen this for the first time- A reply to a one line statement that
spans two screens.

Chad has a talent for this. When I have the time, I find his posts
entertaining, although he does go off on a tangent every once in a while.
 

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