Yahoo Needs a Virus

[anonImouse]

I am not one to endorse computer viruses, but in this case, I think
one is due. If Yahoo wants to turn over confidential records to the
government, I think Yahoo needs to be blasted with viruses. Not
viruses that affect other people, just Yahoo themselves. Ideally,
wipe out every bit of data they have. That way, they cant give any
more to the government. I know for fact I will never use Yahoo again
for anything. I already trashed my yahoo email address and the yahoo
groups that I was subscribed to. **** Yahoo. The best thing that
could happen to them would be to completely shut them down.

I am hoping Google fights this to the end (like Yahoo should have
done)...

 

[nondescript user]

(e-mail address removed), 1/23/2006, 8:11:18 AM,

I am not one to endorse computer viruses, but in this case, I think
one is due. If Yahoo wants to turn over confidential records to the
government, I think Yahoo needs to be blasted with viruses. Not
viruses that affect other people, just Yahoo themselves. Ideally,
wipe out every bit of data they have. That way, they cant give any
more to the government. I know for fact I will never use Yahoo again
for anything. I already trashed my yahoo email address and the yahoo
groups that I was subscribed to. **** Yahoo. The best thing that
could happen to them would be to completely shut them down.

I am hoping Google fights this to the end (like Yahoo should have
done)...

YOU are being watched...

 

[Postman delivers]

(e-mail address removed) submitted this idea :

I am not one to endorse computer viruses, but in this case, I think
one is due. If Yahoo wants to turn over confidential records to the
government, I think Yahoo needs to be blasted with viruses. Not
viruses that affect other people, just Yahoo themselves. Ideally,
wipe out every bit of data they have. That way, they cant give any
more to the government. I know for fact I will never use Yahoo again
for anything. I already trashed my yahoo email address and the yahoo
groups that I was subscribed to. **** Yahoo. The best thing that
could happen to them would be to completely shut them down.

I am hoping Google fights this to the end (like Yahoo should have
done)...

Google has been giving up this infor for a long time...

JR the postman

 

[James E. Morrow]

(e-mail address removed) submitted this idea :

Google has been giving up this infor for a long time...

JR the postman

While I view this matter as somewhat troubling, let us keep in mind
that this is the Civil Division of the Justice Department not Criminal.
No IP addresses were asked for. They know all hell would break loose if
they tried to get them. This data is not therefore confidential to the
user, but to Yahoo and Google. They didn't ask for OUR data. We have no
standing in this case. So we must hope that Google will stand up for
themselves and all of us.

It is left to Google to draw the line. At what point is it an
unreasonable burden on the company to provide this data developed in
the course of their business? That and not the privacy of the user will
be the issue on which this case is decided at law. Google can't claim
that this is illegal, but rather that it is an unreasonable burden on a
third party. We had better all hope Google prevails in this argument.

 

[optikl]

I am not one to endorse computer viruses, but in this case, I think
one is due. If Yahoo wants to turn over confidential records to the
government, I think Yahoo needs to be blasted with viruses. Not
viruses that affect other people, just Yahoo themselves.

Uh huh.........How exactly does that work? Discriminating malware? lol

 

[blank]

While I view this matter as somewhat troubling, let us keep in mind
that this is the Civil Division of the Justice Department not Criminal.
No IP addresses were asked for. They know all hell would break loose if
they tried to get them. This data is not therefore confidential to the
user, but to Yahoo and Google. They didn't ask for OUR data. We have no
standing in this case. So we must hope that Google will stand up for
themselves and all of us.

OK, so they did not get the IP address. They did not get OUR data.
So you explained what they DID NOT get.
What DID they get?
I'm at a complete loss here.
What did they get and what are they going to do with it?

It is left to Google to draw the line. At what point is it an
unreasonable burden on the company to provide this data developed in
the course of their business? That and not the privacy of the user will
be the issue on which this case is decided at law. Google can't claim
that this is illegal, but rather that it is an unreasonable burden on a
third party. We had better all hope Google prevails in this argument.

I hope two things.
Google wins
The Bush administration is found guilty of spying.

I've about had it with EVERYTHING they are doing to our government !!!

 

[Offbreed]

The Bush administration is found guilty of spying.

I've about had it with EVERYTHING they are doing to our government !!!

You are not up on the latest. After the last ObL tape, the Democrats are
not claiming that Bush is lax in not spying enough.

 

[Dave Cohen]

Uh huh.........How exactly does that work? Discriminating

malware? lol

Even if they get the IP address, most people don't have domain names so they
would have to then go thru' isp records. This gets more complicated for
dial-up users who have dynamic ip. Easy enough for a specific user or small
number of users but hardly a worthwhile excercise for just fishing.
We've gone thru' this before with Hoover. The part that seems so senseless
to me is he collected all that data then it just sat there, probably
wouldn't have been admissable in court.
Dave Cohen

 

[James E. Morrow]

While I view this matter as somewhat troubling, let us keep in mind
OK, so they did not get the IP address. They did not get OUR data.
So you explained what they DID NOT get.
What DID they get?
I'm at a complete loss here.
What did they get and what are they going to do with it?

<Snip>

They got what they asked for. One, search terms and two, the URL
results. The data delivered up was time limited because the company
records are that limited. But the time period varied by company and we
don't know exact details.

The purpose of all this is to "test" whether filtering software works.
Their premise is that it does not work. The truth is that it works
imperfectly.


More required reading. What are Google's real motives?

Why Google Won't Give In
Link to Forbes dot com
http://tinyurl.com/9njtr

(Oh, but they gave in to the Chinese tonight.)

What about filtering software, does it work? Is it the answer to
protecting our children? In truth there is no easy answer.

Do Web filters protect your child?
Link to News dot com
http://tinyurl.com/aqgnx

 

[Offbreed]

Huh!! Is that "not" supposed to be a "now"

Argh.

Correct.

 

[* * Chas]

malware? lol

Even if they get the IP address, most people don't have domain names so they
would have to then go thru' isp records. This gets more complicated for
dial-up users who have dynamic ip. Easy enough for a specific user or small
number of users but hardly a worthwhile excercise for just fishing.
We've gone thru' this before with Hoover. The part that seems so senseless
to me is he collected all that data then it just sat there, probably
wouldn't have been admissable in court.
Dave Cohen

"We've gone thru' this before with Hoover"

You mean Mary? Mary with the red dress on and his live in lover and
Assistant Director of the FBI, Clyde Tolson.

Mary used information on US politicians to stay in power. He blackmailed
just about every president and powerful elected official during his
tenure.

During the late 1960s and early 70s, my friends and I were the subjects
of surveillance by the FBI and other US Govt. agencies. Why? Because we
were outspoken critics of the Nixon administration. Campus radicals? No,
I belonged to the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and my girlfriend's
father was a leading member of the ACLU. We made a few speeches and
attended some demonstrations.

That was over 30 years ago but my FBI dossier was full on wrong
information which is still there! They had "records' of me being places
and doing things that I had no involvement in.

The current administration has picked up where Nixon left off and they
have been somewhat more careful to not make the same illegal mistakes
that Tricky Dick's boys got nailed for. They have taken it a step
higher.

Chas.

 

[Pete]

You are not up on the latest. After the last ObL tape, the Democrats
are not claiming that Bush is lax in not spying enough.

Huh!! Is that "not" supposed to be a "now"

 

[Virus Guy]

The purpose of all this is to "test" whether filtering software
works. Their premise is that it does not work. The truth is
that it works imperfectly.

If the justice dept wants search information to support their case,
then why don't they simply perform their own searches using any and
all search engines or search portals in common use and see if the
results would support their case?

I don't see why they are asking for a representative sample of
->what<- people are searching for, or how that relates to the
availability (or block-ability?) of porn on the internet.

And speaking of porn (which seems to be the central point of the case)
- hasn't anyone told the US gov't or Justice dept. about the dozens
or hundreds of alt.binaries.pictures.* news groups that are accessible
to anyone old enough to operate a computer?

 

[Offbreed]

And speaking of porn (which seems to be the central point of the case)
- hasn't anyone told the US

Authority for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vices

 

[* * Chas]

If the justice dept wants search information to support their case,
then why don't they simply perform their own searches using any and
all search engines or search portals in common use and see if the
results would support their case?

I don't see why they are asking for a representative sample of
->what<- people are searching for, or how that relates to the
availability (or block-ability?) of porn on the internet.

And speaking of porn (which seems to be the central point of the case)
- hasn't anyone told the US gov't or Justice dept. about the dozens
or hundreds of alt.binaries.pictures.* news groups that are accessible
to anyone old enough to operate a computer?

Repeat of US Government behavior during the Nixon and Joe McCarthy eras.
We would have seen much of the same kinds of veiled threats and fishing
expeditions designed to limit personal freedoms had the internet been
around then. Just imagine what "Mary" - J. Edgar Hoover could have done
had he access to a PC!

Chas.

 

[James E. Morrow]

<Snip>

What? Search for porn on government time with government resources?
We'll have none of that! It would be strictly against regulations. We
would have to commission a study just to list all the "regs" it
violated.

Repeat of US Government behavior during the Nixon and Joe McCarthy eras.
We would have seen much of the same kinds of veiled threats and fishing
expeditions designed to limit personal freedoms had the internet been
around then. Just imagine what "Mary" - J. Edgar Hoover could have done
had he access to a PC!

Chas.

"Justice is incidental to law and order."
-J. Edgar Hoover


--
James E. Morrow
Email to: (e-mail address removed) -- "A billion here, a billion there,
and pretty soon you're talking about real money."

Everett McKinley Dirksen

 

[* * Chas]

<Snip>

What? Search for porn on government time with government resources?
We'll have none of that! It would be strictly against regulations. We
would have to commission a study just to list all the "regs" it
violated.



"Justice is incidental to law and order."
-J. Edgar Hoover


--
James E. Morrow
Email to: (e-mail address removed) -- "A billion here, a billion there,
and pretty soon you're talking about real money."

Everett McKinley Dirksen

Hey, J. Edgar Hoover introduced Roy Cohn to Sen. Joe McCarthy.... Birds
of a feather...

All Sondercommandos!

Chas.