Yahoo email users: Are you missing messages?

[PA Bear]

Has someone recently sent an email to your (correct) Yahoo address (e.g.,
(e-mail address removed)) but you never received it? Let me know, please, and tell me
the account from which the message was sent (e.g., (e-mail address removed)). Also
state the country in which your Yahoo account is based (e.g., USA, CA, UK,
AU).

Thanks.
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~Robear Dyer (aka PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE)
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[Incognitus]

Has someone recently sent an email to your (correct) Yahoo address (e.g.,
(e-mail address removed)) but you never received it? Let me know, please, and tell me
the account from which the message was sent (e.g., (e-mail address removed)). Also
state the country in which your Yahoo account is based (e.g., USA, CA, UK,
AU).

Thanks.

I'm sure you mean well, but anyone reading this should really think twice
before they betray someone, a friend perhaps, by posting their email address
here, in public.

 

[PA Bear]

<sighing> Nit duly picked. I did say "account" and not "address", Coggy.

I expected responders might use a little common sense but I suppose I was
being overly hopeful. (As if there aren't better ways of reaping email
addies these days, *should* I wish to do so.)

Make that, "...and tell me the *domain* from which the message was sent
(e.g., [blank]@ISP.com)."

Other responders have indicated that Yahoo recently began requiring
Reverse-DNS Lookup (rDNS) for messages sent to a Yahoo email address, as AOL
did earlier this year.
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AH-VSOP

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[PCR]

Aren't you a nosey one?

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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| Has someone recently sent an email to your (correct) Yahoo address
(e.g.,
| (e-mail address removed)) but you never received it? Let me know, please, and
tell me
| the account from which the message was sent (e.g., (e-mail address removed)).
Also
| state the country in which your Yahoo account is based (e.g., USA, CA,
UK,
| AU).
|
| Thanks.
| --
| Please post back to this thread...only
|
| ~Robear Dyer (aka PA Bear)
| MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE)
| AH-VSOP
|
| Protect Your PC
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tips/pcprotec.asp
|

 

[Jim Macklin]

If you look at Yahoo mail new policies, you will see that
they are using spam filters.


| Aren't you a nosey one?
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| (e-mail address removed)
| | | Has someone recently sent an email to your (correct)
Yahoo address
| (e.g.,
| | (e-mail address removed)) but you never received it? Let me know,
please, and
| tell me
| | the account from which the message was sent (e.g.,
(e-mail address removed)).
| Also
| | state the country in which your Yahoo account is based
(e.g., USA, CA,
| UK,
| | AU).
| |
| | Thanks.
| | --
| | Please post back to this thread...only
| |
| | ~Robear Dyer (aka PA Bear)
| | MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE)
| | AH-VSOP
| |
| | Protect Your PC
| |
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tips/pcprotec.asp
| |
|
|

 

[N. Miller]

Other responders have indicated that Yahoo recently began requiring
Reverse-DNS Lookup (rDNS) for messages sent to a Yahoo email address, as AOL
did earlier this year.

That is actually a reasonable check, too. Do you know how much spam comes
from address without a proper rDNS configuration? Or how many rDNS names are
not MX for the domain in the name?

Spammers have to use open proxies from which to send because there are so
few open relays any more, and so few ISPs that will tolerate high sending
volumes from their residential gateway pools. Two thirds of Chinese
residential gateway pools, and half of Korean residential gateway pools have
no rDNS configured (and also a small number of Verio IP addresses, as
well!), and most residential gateways with proper rDNS configured are not
listed as MX for the domain they server (probably ALL of them, if one were
inclined to check). But those are precisely where the spammers are finding
open proxies to abuse.

And, so far, my ISP, SBC Yahoo! DSL Service, has not followed others down
the outbound port 25 redirect path. Odd, because with the SMTP AUTH servers,
they could easily get away with it without affecting those, like me, running
MTAs from home.

It is breaking things, yes; but so is spam, and the steps being taken are
hurting spammers.

All the way through July I got between 7 and 9 spam messages a month at my
pop.pacbell.YAHOO.COM account. August and September saw that number
climbing; October was a record. I have a yahoo.com address that peaked at 60
spam messages last January, then dropped. In October that account only had
about 10, but my pacbell.net account, also pulled from
smtp.pacbell.YAHOO.COM, had a record amount of spam. My pacbell.net account
never went over 20 spams in a month for as long as I had it, since February
2001. Until October, 2003, when it was hit with 99 spam messages; most from
sources without proper rDNS. November has shown a auspicious start, with the
Mercury Mail maiser log showing a decline in the number of messages pulled
from smtp.pacbell.YAHOO.COM over the high spam months. Maybe that is the
result of rDNS checks. If so, I might even consider keeping SBC Yahoo! DSL
Service, even though I can't get rDNS configured for my MTA.

 

[PCR]

And that makes Bear less of a nosey one?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| If you look at Yahoo mail new policies, you will see that
| they are using spam filters.
|
|
| | | Aren't you a nosey one?
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| | (e-mail address removed)
| | | | | Has someone recently sent an email to your (correct)
| Yahoo address
| | (e.g.,
| | | (e-mail address removed)) but you never received it? Let me know,
| please, and
| | tell me
| | | the account from which the message was sent (e.g.,
| (e-mail address removed)).
| | Also
| | | state the country in which your Yahoo account is based
| (e.g., USA, CA,
| | UK,
| | | AU).
| | |
| | | Thanks.
| | | --
| | | Please post back to this thread...only
| | |
| | | ~Robear Dyer (aka PA Bear)
| | | MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE)
| | | AH-VSOP
| | |
| | | Protect Your PC
| | |
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tips/pcprotec.asp
| | |
| |
| |
|
|

 

[Cody]

I just sent an email from ono.com and it went through. AOL had ONO blocked
for a year and anything I tried to send using ONO's server. The more people
who leave AOL, the better.

Cody
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<sighing> Nit duly picked. I did say "account" and not "address", Coggy.

I expected responders might use a little common sense but I suppose I was
being overly hopeful. (As if there aren't better ways of reaping email
addies these days, *should* I wish to do so.)

Make that, "...and tell me the *domain* from which the message was sent
(e.g., [blank]@ISP.com)."

Other responders have indicated that Yahoo recently began requiring
Reverse-DNS Lookup (rDNS) for messages sent to a Yahoo email address, as AOL
did earlier this year.
--
HTH...Please post back to this thread

~Robear Dyer (aka PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE)
AH-VSOP

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tips/pcprotec.asp

 

[PA Bear]

The missing messages are *not* being filtered to Bulk Mail, the default
action for Yahoo's SpamGuard, they're *missing*.

~PA Bear

 

[Danny Mingledorff]

I don't use a Yahoo address directly, but do use SBC Yahoo DSL,
ameritech.net

For the past week or so, I've had trouble with email coming in from a
variety of sources, comcast.net, earthlink.net, where messages took up to 6
hours to be delivered, and some people received the message back stating
that my username was not valid. Tech support politely blew off my inquiry.

So, why are you collecting?

 

[PA Bear]

Thanks, Danny. Your information might be pertinent. Why am I collecting?
Cos some users of Yahoo accounts have been reporting the problem lately.

~PA Bear

 

[Danny Mingledorff]

It's a little reassuring to know I'm not the only one experiencing this.
Let me know if there's any other info you're looking for.

 

[N. Miller]

I just sent an email from ono.com and it went through. AOL had ONO blocked
for a year and anything I tried to send using ONO's server. The more people
who leave AOL, the better.

They are just a small part of a growing trend. However, to lay the
groundwork, do a forward DNS lookup on 'aosake.net'. Now, do a reverse DNS
lookup on the resulting IP address. The rDNS name should end in
'pacbell.net'. I can't reliably send email 'End-to-End' from my IP address.
RoadRunner is blocking it based on it being part of a dynamic address pool
(PPPoX). At least one other network is blocking it because of the mismatch
between forward and reverse lookups.

This is the wave of the future. So much spam is injected into the SMTP
stream through open proxies on systems with no rDNS name configured at all
(which shouldn't be necessary for internal connections, but is absolutely
necessary for Internet connections; check the relevant RFCs), or from
dynamic address pools for residential gateways, where the customer should be
using his ISP's SMTP servers, that more ISPs are blocking connections to
their MX servers from such addresses.

I doubt that AOL is going to change. Indeed, they are using that feature as
an attraction in trying to build up their customer base. And other networks
are starting to move in that direction. Yahoo! reportedly has started on
that path.

I certainly do something similar; with DNSBL checks by my MTA for open proxy
sources. I have five DNSBLs in my MTA list which will cause Mercury Mail to
reject the message from the listed sender. It really does keep the spam at
bay. Rather than expecting AOL customers to leave because AOL is blocking
known spam sources, maybe you should consider leaving a known spam source!


Just kidding about that last; the reality is that the ISPs are going to have
to negotiate exceptions based on some criteria of mutually acceptable
criteria. Spammers are the reason, and you should remember to thank a
spammer for the way the Internet is currently working (or, rather, not
working)!