XP SP1 slow to start up

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marcus

Below is a string from a Comcast chat session concerning
the problems I am having. As of right now I am thinking I
need to unistall my scanner drivers and re-install, but I
don't know what else to do....

Anyone here have any solutions???

Marcus

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Posts: 4 Registered: Apr 20, 2004
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Looking for some help here. Recently my compaq presario
6031 became very slow to start up after logging in.
Basically I log in, Northon AV comes up disabled, and
everything sits there for 3-4 mintues, then the scarnner
starts up, Northon AV becomes enabled, and I am online.
Task manager shows nothing eating CPU useage.

First I used system restore to a former point. This worked
for a couple reboots, then it was back.

Then I thought it was because of Compaq's easy key
application taking up 99% of the CPU, which was supposed
to be fixed in SP1, but apparently didn't work, so I just
unistalled the whole easy key application. This didn't
work. So I downloaded every windows update available, and
this didn't work either.

I then uninstalled other applications that launch during
start up, which I don't need, and this didn't help.

I think played with msconfig and eliminated apps not
necessary from start up list. This didn't help.

I think dowloaded Spybot, and cleaned things up there. I
then downloaded another HijackThis to clean up the rest of
the registry. Still didn't work.

I also noticed that sometimes WIA and scanner drivers can
cause slow start up, so I unchecked WIA and and plug N
play services to verify this wasn't a problem, but it
still started up slow.

I am now stuck and don't know what else to do.

I noticed postings on sites stating that Northon AV 2002
works better with a specified or static IP address, but I
don't know if this will work with Comcast's DHCP server.

I also thought about uninstalling/reinstalling Northon AV,
the canon canoscan sw, and the nikon sw, but I'm not sure
this will help either.

Any thoughts?



Me Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 20, 2004 3:30 PM

Posts: 1,693 From: fed up with recurring red dots....
Registered: Jul 10, 2003
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Commom problem with Norton A/V 2003 or earlier...

Symantec KB Document ID:2003100708212113
Last Modified:04/01/2004



JohnD Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 20, 2004 9:36
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Posts: 860 From: Elk Grove Vil, IL
Registered: Jun 30, 2003
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I have NAV 2002 connecting with a standard dynamic
assigned IP address and am not experiencing your problem.
Here are a couple of thoughts.

1. I noticed initializing USB devices can add a little
time to boot-up.

2. I assume you are using Windows XP. (Let us know if you
have the "Pro" version.) You could try deleting
the "prefetch" files in the Windows\Prefetch directory and
see if that might help. They will be automatically
recreated if needed.

3. You mentioned you are online when you boot up. Do you
have Outlook Express loading when you boot up? If you
disabled Windows Messenger (this is not the Messenger
Service which you dont want running), this can cause OE to
load very slowly.



Anonymous Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 21, 2004
11:21 AM

Posts: 4 Registered: Apr 20, 2004
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Thanks for the suggestion, I had high hopes. I read the KB
note from Symantec, and it said to replace a ccEvtMgr.exe
file, but apparently I don't have this file anywhere on my
PC, so this didn't help.

Also, I disabled Northon in msconfig in services and
startup, but this didn't seem to solve the slow start up
issue either, so I am wondering if it is even Norton
related now.



CajunTek Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 21, 2004
11:25 AM

Posts: 1,624 From: Arlington Texas
Registered: Oct 7, 2003
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See this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=819634



Anonymous Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 21, 2004
11:26 AM

Posts: 4 Registered: Apr 20, 2004
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John D,

When I do actually boot up, I am not connected to the
internet. It waits until everything has started up to
actually connect. Usually 3-4 minutes. I know it has
connected when I hear my scanner boot up (on USB), then
Norton becomes enabled, and I am connected.

XP Pro confirmed. I can try the prefetch idea...

Don't use outlook express at all. Use office Outlook, but
it does not start up until launched.

Also, went into Win Messenger and told it not to start up
automatically, but this did nothing either.

I'll try the prefetch idea, but I am now wondering if I
should uninstall the scanner drivers and try that as well.

Marcus



CajunTek Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 21, 2004
11:34 AM

Posts: 1,624 From: Arlington Texas
Registered: Oct 7, 2003
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Did you look at the link I provided.. Others with NAV or
NIS are having this problem...



Anonymous Re: XP SP1 slow to start up Apr 21, 2004
11:35 AM

Posts: 4 Registered: Apr 20, 2004
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Cajun Tek,
Read the article and I can try win update again, but when
I started this troubleshooting late last week, I went to
windows update, and updated everything listed, even that I
didn't really need.

Also, if NAV and this security patch were the problem,
then when I removed NAV from start up and told the service
not to start thru msconfig, it still didn't help. Does
this prove that NAV is not the problem? I don't know.

Marcus


Message was edited by: Anonymous
 
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CHRIS CRIBBS

I had same problem when I first logged in. I fixed mine this way

1) From run in the start menu type and run msconfig
2)Under the services tab disable :
a) Remote Access Auto Connection Manager
b) Remote Access Conection Manager
c) Remote Desktop Help Session Manager
3) Click Apply and then ok
4) Restart and you should be running fine
 
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Marcus

OK... Last night I have now done the following, and start
up is still slow!!! Arghh!
- Upgraded real player,
- disabled the remote services mentioned above,
- deleted the windows prefetch files, and also
- uninstalled the scanner driver and reinstalled.
Again... Task Manager shows nothing. When NAV and the
scanner kicks on right before I connect, I notice compaq-
rba and LUCOMs~1 start up, but these tasks should be fine
from what I've read.
 
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CHRIS CRIBBS

OK. Need some info on your computer such as RAM, Processor, HD Size, Blah
Blah Etc...........

Chris
 
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Rocket J. Squirrel

You upgraded Real Player? Real Player has components that run in the
background and slow your computer. You deleted pre-fetch files? They are
designed to improve performance.

Instead of running around and trying things willy-nilly, let's get serious.
If you're 100% certain that your computer is not affected by a virus or
spyware - and won't be - and that the integrity of your system has not been
compromised by well-meaning but misguided tweaking, then the way to diagnose
performance problems is through a slow and thoughtful process of
elimination.

Here are just two of the excellent and authoritative resources available
from the Microsoft web site. Microsoft has many resources to help Windows XP
run at its best.

""How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310560&Product=winxp

"Support WebCast: Microsoft Windows XP: Troubleshooting Startup and Shutdown
Problems"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=326841

Rocky
 
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Marcus

Ok. Only was going on articles and suggestions from
others. I just got these suggestions. What do you think
of them?

Here is what I recommend (you may have already done some
of these):

**************

Go to start -> run -> type "regedit"
go to
Hkey_Local_Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Current
Version\Run
Delete any keys there that are related to quicktime and
realplayer.

go to Hkey_Current_user\software\microsoft\windows\current
version\run

report any keys that you think are strange to here (or do
a search on the net to find out what their purpose is).

Go to Control Panel -> System Properties -> Advanced ->
Settings -> Select Adjust for better preformace.

Go to C:\Documents and Settings\"Your Profile"\Local
Settings\Temp and delete everything

Go to C:\Documents and Settings\"your profile"\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files and delete everything

If you have Norton System Works run Norton Windoctor and
DiskDoctor.

Go to symatec and get the following updates:
If you have system works 2004 go to
http://service1.symantec.com/support/nsw.nsf/docid/20040120
09023807

(for all versions) Reinstall Symevent based on these
insturctions:
http://service1.symantec.com/support/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2
003051411480813?
Open&src=sg&docid=2003050916521706&nsf=nav.nsf&view=d4578f6
6d8f00a0188256d4e006aaa94/cfb79f5277798f5688256d21008273cd?
opendocument&prod=norton%20antivirus&ver=2004%20for%
20windows%202000/me/98&dtype=&prod=Norton%
20AntiVirus&ver=2004%20for%20Windows%
202000/Me/98/XP&osv=&osv_lvl=

Go to www.pcpitstop.com and run their full test.

Run a system defrag (either Norton's speed disk, or
Windows Disk Defragmenter).
 
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Marcus

Chris and Rocket,

I found the problem. This is what I did in msconfig.

1. Did diagnostic boot = worked

2. Enabled all on both WIN.ini and System.ini = worked

3. Enabled all startup options = worked, therefore it was
a problem with a service, so...

4. Looking a brand new XP PC, enabled all the services it
had enabled = didn't work

5. Noticed workstation service was pending start up, so I
disabled this service = worked

6. Can't re-install or fix this vital service, so I am now
backing up and rebuilding the machine.
 
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Rocket J. Squirrel

A thoughtful step by step approach is usually the wisest way. Good show.

"Looking [at] a brand new XP PC, enabled all the services it had enabled..."
Be careful with that, because the configuration of services depends in part
on how the computer is setup, so it will vary from system to system.

Rocky
 

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