XP registry cleaners

[Bill in Co.]

offering nothing to the contrary, having
nothing valid to refute any of the comments made.

I think you got the cart before the horse.
Is it YOU who haven't posted anything of *substance* on this yet. Just
your own opinions. When and if you ever really find something (I mean
*authoratively documented*), do be sure to let us know.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Uhh, I think you lost it too, Bruce; the subject isn't "winXP"; it's
registry cleaners. I have experience back through 98, 95, 3.x, 6.22 and
CP/M, and used Norton tools with every one of them. In fact, I still
have an x86 packed away with single-sided, hard sectored 90k floppies
(pre affordable hard drives) and I've use a Norton product on every one
of them.

I predate you a bit, laddie. (quite a bit, actually)
Plus - I've actually done some programming (some even in assembly), unlike
you.

Now, let's talk about how far back the Registry goes: do YOU know?
It's well over ten years, making it "decades". Let's see, 20 years
would make it about 1988; do YOU know when the Registry came about? You
can research it easily enough, but it's my bet you do not. You're as
big a maroon as the other silly posters you've aligned yourself with here.

You know, I'm only doing this because of all the folks lurking here
watching you take your blows for being such a closed minded egotistic
narcist.

Self projection noted.

Your power-mongering over the masses doesn't work with a thinking
people. You simply cannot pursuade those who have facts and real world
experience on their side, to believe you simply because you say
something is so. A little research at reputable sites and companies will
grant you a pretty consistant view of the practices used and how comples
such software is NOT! You're also one of only a few these days that
will hide behind the ignorance of those facts and who keep your mind
clamped so tightly closed that you can't see the red flame that's
singing your eyebrows. It's not that you cannot be educated, it's that
you choose to not learn anything new.

Again, self projection noted.

Based on how long you've been touting this mantra against registry
applications, I'd hazard a guess that you haven't gone past about the
1990's thinking and when you were an MVP picked up a company line
somewhere when MS stopped providing such programs.
You believe in management by force; it doesn't work, never has.
Managing the registry is simple: there are probably many good
registry apps out there that I won't touch anymore simply because I
don't have the time or inclination to do the research needed to check
them out. So using your line of thinking, I should just call them all
'snake oil' and say none of the are any good.
For about the tenth time, I'll tell you to provide valid, verifiable,
reliably sourced information and I'll listen to it, especially white
papers or known unbiased reports, which is where my background comes
from, on top of experience and actual use.

ROFL!

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Hi,

I have read the following article which explained me alot on registry
cleaners and which one to choose.

<a href="http://www.squidoo.com/free-regirtsy-cleaners">http://
www.squidoo.com/free-regirtsy-cleaners</a>

this is a great article from the home of:

<a href="http://topregistrycleanerscenter.com">Http://
www.TopRegistryCleanersCenter.com</a>

Those aren't technical analyses, or even "reviews." They'rte nothing
but pure marketing hype. This is the one you should have read:

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Uhh, I think you lost it too, Bruce; the subject isn't "winXP"; it's
registry cleaners.

Hello? Have you looked art the subject line of this thread?

I have experience back through 98, 95, 3.x, 6.22 and
CP/M, and used Norton tools with every one of them.

And none of which is relevant. I've also used all of those operating
systems (And there was no Norton product for CP/M, not that Norton
products are in any way relevant to the subject of this thread, either).

And even if Win9x did have a registry, the utility of registry cleaners
on those operating systems, which was always questionable, at best, even
in those days, is also completely irrelevant to a discussion of WinXP
registry cleaners. What makes you think that anything that applied to
Win98 would even be remotely related to WinXP? Other than a superficial
similarity in the user interface, the two operating systems are
completely and radically different. Apparently, despite your
self-proclaimed (and self-contradicted) claims of experience, you've
somehow failed to notice that comparing WinXP to Win9x is a lot like
comparing a Lexus to a Yugo -- any similarities are entirely superficial
and mostly coincidental.

In fact, I still
have an x86 packed away with single-sided, hard sectored 90k floppies
(pre affordable hard drives) and I've use a Norton product on every one
of them.

And some people collect stamps. So what? Why are you trying to change
the subject?

Now, let's talk about how far back the Registry goes: do YOU know?
It's well over ten years, making it "decades". Let's see, 20 years
would make it about 1988; do YOU know when the Registry came about? You
can research it easily enough, but it's my bet you do not. You're as
big a maroon as the other silly posters you've aligned yourself with
here.

Whether I chose to do so such research out of idle curiosity, or not,
is irrelevant. Why do you persist in trying to drag the thread
off-topic? Nothing actually pertinent to say, perhaps?

You know, I'm only doing this because of all the folks lurking here
watching you take your blows for being such a closed minded egotistic
narcist.

"Take blows?" I shouldn't have to point this out, but you're the one
embarrassing himself by making patently false claims, and then failing
to back them up. I'm not the one "taking any blows." And, Oh dear,
more name-calling? Run out of facts, again? Oh, wait, you've *never*
presented any to start with. (by the way, what a "narcist?" I can't
find the word in any dictionary.


Drivel snipped....

For about the tenth time, I'll tell you to provide valid, verifiable,
reliably sourced information and I'll listen to it, especially white
papers or known unbiased reports, which is where my background comes
from, on top of experience and actual use.

On the contrary, you're the one who has absolutely failed (not even
attempted, actually) to offer any evidence that registry cleaners do any
good. Neither you, nor any other snake oil salesman, has *ever*
produced a single shred of independently verifiable documentation to
support your claims. C'mon! Just one "white paper" or unbiased report!
Can you do it? I seriously doubt it. I've certainly challenged
enough of you over the years, and you've all responded exactly as you
have: with nothing but name-calling.

And, given the way your earlier preposterous claims of decades of
experience with WinXP's registry (see Subject Line again, if you've
forgotten) completely undermines any creditability to which you might
once have laid claim, any ration person would also have to be very
suspicious of any anecdotal evidence (the only kind you admit to having)
you might present.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Twayne]

You're not open to new information, you are just parroting your usual
opinions about registry cleaners, opinions which in your mind you hold
to be facts. There has been plenty of evidence shown about the near
uselessness of registry cleaners and the potential risks associated
with their use, yet you still go on with your parroting and dismiss
the facts presented, although you and the others who tout these
products can offer no verifiable evidence of the necessity or
benefits of using these cleaners on a regular basis. Read the
comments by readers here:
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html and see what kind
of problems these things can cause. As if the problems they cause
aren't bad enough, at best these programs provide virtually no
benefits, a complete waste of time and an only an invitation for
problems which would otherwise be avoidable!
John

lol, I wouldn't exactly call that a damnation of registry cleaners.
You're really reaching there. And besides, it's not news. It's
actually rather straight forward and written intelligently enough, and
without a lot of bias. As for seeing what kind of problems "these
things" can cause, there wasn't much of anything there that way, or that
was new or original and that I and others here haven't alluded to with
the exception of letting them delete dll files, which I found
interesting but without backup or detail. Now if your'e talking about
the responses, well, I can take you to a forum/group for almost any
application and "prove" it's no good according to your way of thinking.
You seem to forget; people without problems don't usually post problems
on forums/groups/blogs. They're happy and don't waste their time
spreading misinformation as some are wont to do.
Other than the fact that I don't consider that blog mainstream, it was
reasonable: The author states HIS opinions, says they're his opinions,
and gives based on what he says are his opinions. He doesn't even come
close to what you want to intimate.
And as usual there are no definitive references to anything with any
meat. The fact that it's not for the author is a long ways from the
crap you and others here toss out as gospel and the end of the world for
operating systems. That kind of article can be found all over the
place, along with opposing articles and others that flow to extremes on
both sides, like the dummies here do.
Your jabs that I'm parroting are falling on deaf ears, too. I
suspect you know I'm not or you wouldn't work so hard at bringing it up
in your posts and being sure you snip it from my posts.

Blatherskites & parrots; two of the same thing.

Be happy in your ignorance; you're the one paying the price and wanting
everyone to believe you just because you say so. I have to wonder just
how hard you had to work to find even that one reference you decided to
post. I would have posted at least 5 links and made sure they were from
both biased (both ways) and unbiased sources so readers can make up
their own minds rather than have to follow you like lemmings on the
death march but fortunately most people can think for themselves.

Do you use a C or a bar clamp on your mind?

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

Actually, the subject is "XP registry cleaners."


I'm pretty sure the point is that while registry cleaning may have
had a place in all the earlier operating systems, there is no evidence
supporting the premise that it is beneficial for PCs running XP. If
you have a link to a Web page that offers this evidence, I will be
happy to read it. I have used search engines a number of times, but
I've never been able to find such evidence. If you are able to
provide it, I would be interested in reading it.

Actually, there is valid backing for using registry management on XP.
It's not often needed and it usually isn't going to speed things up
noticeably, but ... in some circumstances it is a godsend.
I'm currently pondering whether to let brucey see some of the white
papers and unbiased and even biased reviews in both directions yet.
Stay tuned, I do intend to present them, just not quite yet.

Call that what you want; I have a very low tolerance for misinformation
such as is being spread by brucey & company. Anything presented, no
matter how valid at the moment, will be summarily dismissed, just as was
the original validating information I've already provided him. He does
have a superior mind; a supreriorily closed mind, that is.

Regards,

 

[Twayne]

lol, let's see here: You said you "predate" me. OK, several millions of
other people do, too. And you try to use projection as a
confrontational remark a couple times.

Yawwwwnnnnnn,

 

[Twayne]

If indeed you do have decades of experience with registry cleaners

why do you continue to tout them? Are you insane?

According to my definition of "tout", I don't, and haven't here. And
yes, I probably am a little insane. Aren't you?

 

[Twayne]

What is needed is a good Registry Editor.

Amen to that! Excellent point.

Interestingly enough, most of what you mention here are the components
of any decent regcleaner already on the market. But that said, an
implementation of a regedit based on your comments would even go beyond
the existing regcleaners because of the collection of data which would
indicate cross-uses and interdependencies, intradependencies, etc.. I
think it would even give a guy off the street a shot at being able to
use it.

Good points.

Twayne

 

[Bill in Co.]

I was referring to YOUR own self projection.

On second thought, forget it, as it's likely beyond your understanding, as
evidenced here and in several of your so-alleged (but completely
undocumented, and completely unsubstantiated), "rebuttal" posts). You have
my condolences.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Actually, there is valid backing for using registry management on XP.
It's not often needed and it usually isn't going to speed things up
noticeably, but ... in some circumstances it is a godsend.
I'm currently pondering whether to let brucey see some of the white
papers and unbiased and even biased reviews in both directions yet.
Stay tuned, I do intend to present them, just not quite yet.

Call that what you want; I have a very low tolerance for misinformation

Then how do you tolerate some of the BS you have been spouting? Look
within, grasshopper.

 

[John John (MVP)]

Do you use a C or a bar clamp on your mind?

Of course I do, it works way better than the "pop rivets" holding your
head together!

The plain and simple fact still remains that you haven't yet given us
any substantiated documentation to back up your claims and uneducated
opinions on the subject. Less than a few days ago you were claiming
that the registry could hold duplicate entries and less than a day ago
you were trying to boast about your "decades" of registry expertise by
trying to bring in Norton tools and CP/M & DOS 6.22 into the discussion.
'nough said, you're clueless about the registry and we all know it.

A sample of the kind of obscure but serious problems that can be caused
by registry cleaners can be seen in these articles:

The .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 installation fails on a computer that has the
..NET Framework 2.0 installed and that is running Windows XP, Windows
Server 2003, or Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950

You receive a "Preparing to install" message when you try to start an
Office XP program or an Office 2000 program
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637

Those are just a sample of the serious problems that can occur with
Microsoft products after the indiscriminate use of registry cleaners.
There is a slough of other Microsoft and third party applications that
can also be crippled by registry cleaners. Often these errors or
problems only pop up weeks or months after the indiscriminate use of
registry cleaners and the correlation or link to the registry cleaner is
far from obvious and one of the last thing that might be thought of as a
possible cause of the problem at hand. Those problems can baffle even
the most seasoned experts and more often than not the average users (and
seasoned expert) will find that the easiest or only way to repair the
problem is do do a repair install of the operating system, or worse yet,
a complete format and reinstall! So called experts who don't know any
better wouldn't know anything about those kind of problems because they
simply lack the proper skills and knowledge to troubleshoot these
problems, yet they feel that they are expert enough to be advising and
telling the even less informed that they should be running registry
cleaners!

In certain troubleshooting scenarios a registry cleaner may be a useful
tool in the hands of a knowledgeable individual, in the hands of a
clueless person or when used as a regular and utterly useless registry
cleaning routine they are nothing but an invitation for trouble.
Registry cleaners serve no useful purpose in the regular maintenance and
good housekeeping tool chest!

John

 

[Twayne]

....

The .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 installation fails on a computer that has
the .NET Framework 2.0 installed and that is running Windows XP,
Windows Server 2003, or Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950

Nothing to do with a decent registry cleaner. Go read it. I have also
used Norton on win2k so ...

You receive a "Preparing to install" message when you try to start an
Office XP program or an Office 2000 program
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637

And that refers to one specific, MS type cleaner which would be expected
to be buggy like any other app MS produces.

Those are just a sample of the serious problems that can occur with

NO, it's a sample of two specific issues you've located, one irrelevant
and one typical of the kind of "serious problems" almost ANY MS product
can have caused by their own products.

Nothing definitive there; just anecdotal.

Microsoft products after the indiscriminate use of registry cleaners.

Only YOU have talked about indiscriminate use. I never have. Nor has
anyone else.

....

You're really reaching hard with the rest of that.

 

[Unknown]

That explains it then!

According to my definition of "tout", I don't, and haven't here. And yes,
I probably am a little insane. Aren't you?

 

[John John (MVP)]

Nothing definitive there; just anecdotal.

Yes, it's long been known that Microsoft is the habit of posting
"anecdotal" fixes for "anecdotal" problems in its Knowledge Base,
happens all the time. Luckily we have experts like you to sort these
things out...

John

 

[Twayne]

Of course I do, it works way better than the "pop rivets" holding your
head together!

The plain and simple fact still remains that you haven't yet given us
any substantiated documentation to back up your claims and uneducated
opinions on the subject. Less than a few days ago you were claiming
that the registry could hold duplicate entries and less than a day ago
you were trying to boast about your "decades" of registry expertise by
trying to bring in Norton tools and CP/M & DOS 6.22 into the
discussion. 'nough said, you're clueless about the registry and we
all know it.

....

Well, lies about things will never get you anywhere. I won't give you
any of the white papers but here a only a few of the links and excerpts
that are useful for such purposes. I'm using excerpts where you might
not be able to find the information buried in other good information. I
think most, excepting those with closed minds, will find this useful:

Note: I do not recommend nor encourage the use of any of these products,
I do not need nor want additional registry software over & above what I
currently have. These are simply a few of the resources I *might* use
if I were in the market for such things. Some are good, some are
unbiased, some not so. But they are informative. I will not post white
papers; you can go get those yourself:
=====================================================

http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201400014&pgno=2

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You are here: silicon.com > Resources > White Papers > Silicon > White
Papers

White Papers White Papers
4 Myths about Windows XP Registry Cleanup
a.. Tags:
b.. maintenance,
c.. registry,
d.. tasks,
e.. points
Overview A proper approach to the registry maintenance and the most
essential registry care aspects are outlined in this article,
highlighting the key points the user should consider when choosing the
registry maintenance software and its usage plan. The article also
advises on what to look for in a reliable registry cleaner, and
clarifies the essence of registry maintenance tasks, unveiling pitfalls
the user might face. Intended for users of various qualification levels,
from beginners to advanced professionals.

Further White Paper Details Publisher AMUST Software File Format PDF
Date Published November 2005
Format White Papers
Topics N/A

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http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201400014&pgno=2

http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=Registry+cleaner&i=50360,00.asp

http://www.regcure.com/media/regcurewhitepaper.pdf



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Portable Registry Clean Expert 4.52

2007-09-16 09:13:00

Registry Clean Expert will clean your Windows Registry with ease and
boost your system performanceThe Windows registry is a database
repository for information about a computer's configuration. The
registry keep growing when you use Windows.As it does so, it attracts
obsolete and unnecessary information, and gradually becomes cluttered
and fragmented. With the growing of the registry, it can degrade the
performance of the whole system and cause many weird software
problems.Registry Clean Expert scans the Windows registry and finds
incorrect or obsolete information in the registry. By fixing these
obsolete information in Windows registry, your system will run faster
and error free.The backup/restore function of the tool let you backup
your whole Windows Registry so you can use itto restore the registry to
the current status in case you encounter some system failure. Besides
above, the startup and BHO organizer feature let you manage your startup
and IE BHO items with ease, and you c...

More About: Registry , Portable , Regis

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http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/1100194579/1/view

http://www.free-registry-cleaners.biz/ <==== looks OK but I never trust
..biz sites. MO

http://www.iobit.com/advancedwindowscare...

http://www.ccleaner.com/

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?d...

http://www.pcfixreview.com/blog/category/registry-fix/

http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=Registrycleaner


Now, I could add to that a rather long list of my own experiences and
use of registry cleaners on XP, some good, some not so, none destructive
because unless I know it's OK I won't run it, and 4 white papers, which
I won't share because you have to be a member to get them, else pay for
them. I think I referenced one above but I don't have that one; it's
also newer than the ones I have but two of mine reference XP.
In addition to that, I have a repair log that contains the records of
the use of a few different registry cleaners, none of which ever caused
any damage of any kind to any of the systems they were used on; all but
two of those systems are still in use today, the other two having gone
to Vi$tá.

Since I've also posted info on a lot of different regcleaners here I
feel I also need to add that cleaning the registry isn't really needed
the vast majority of the time. The registry is nothing but a text file
and can be read very fast even on slower machines; it's normally in the
order of single-digit megabytes of information.
Always be certain a cleaner can undo its changes in case you do
something stupid, and exhaust other possibilities for a problem first,
before reaching for the cleaner. BUT, when it's needed, a good cleaner
will make short work of getting a trashed or corrupted registry entry
back into working condition. There definitely ARE instances where a
regcleaner is a great thing to have. The best actual registry
protection for XP is actually to back up your System State; then you are
much less likely to ever need the cleaner OR to try to manually hack
your registry as the denizens here want you to do.
OTOH, there is nothing wrong with removing unused entries left behind
by uninstalls and deleted files either. Every added bit/nibble/byte of
information added to a disk drive is another location that can be
corrupted or accidentally used at some point in the future. And if at
boot time you're going throught several 20 second timeouts while the
system waits for something the registry or an ini said it wanted, but
it's been deleted, or corrupted by malware, whatever, it can have great
impacts on shortening boot times. Three times like that makes a full
minute of wasted time during boot.
It's not bad that slow boots happen; usually once it boots, all will
be fine. But, excessive boot times are indications of a problem and
problems in an OS should be looked into, IMO. The registry is as prone
to corruption as any other file on the disk drive of an equivalent size.
If you want to know the approximate size of your registry, back up a
System State. The registry is a large part of that system state, and
you can even look at the files IN the system state, to see what they
are. Which, by the way, is a good way to trash the backup if you open
it in editors, so use an old one if you aren't sufficiently experienced
to guarantee you won't change it in any way. Only use pure text editors
or hex editors for such things. Hex editors are freely available all
over the 'net too.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Windows-XP-Registry-Files-Revealed-Structure-And-Location&id=763552

http://www.billslinksandmore.com/win__xp_registry_info_.html

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/registry

http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_xp_registry.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=263
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Hex Editors: EXTREMELY DANGEROUS programs; be VERY careful!! RTFM!!

http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delphi/freeware/xvi32/xvi32.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_editor
http://www.mh-nexus.de/hxd/
http://www.sweetscape.com/010editor/
http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/hexedit/
http://www.hexworkshop.com/
http://www.hhdsoftware.com/Products/home/hex-editor-free.html


ANYone could have looked any of these link up the same way I did. It's
not rocket science. If I didn't have the process automated, I wouldn't
have done this much but I wanted to make sure any links I provided were
working links w/o having to check each one. And in order to provide
both sides of the stories I did not read every link; so have fun with
the data and references.

Well, the lawn needs cutting, so think I'll go run the lawn tractor for
awhile. This is beginning to get boring now.

Twayne

 

[John John (MVP)]

Well, lies about things will never get you anywhere. I won't give you
any of the white papers but here a only a few of the links and excerpts
that are useful for such purposes.

...and idiotic spam!....

Are you stupid or what! Posting SPAM and hype from the companies and
hucksters who sell these programs and suggesting that it is valid
research is about as dumb as one can get! Are you a retired tobacco
company executive or what? I can go through the research provided by
those tobacco companies in earlier days and by their research I can
assure you that cigarettes do not cause lung cancer. As a matter of
fact they are completely benign and even good for you, they help you
relax and they help you keep your weight down, an absolutely marvelous
product that should be used by anyone and everyone who has frayed nerves
or weight problems! And if I consult Ford advertising from days gone by
I can assure you that the Ford Pinto is a perfectly safe car that can
withstand any rear end collision! Fears about exploding Pintos are just
misguided opinions from GM customers... or GM executives! Ford says so,
so it must be true, after all would they ever sell cars that explode in
rear end collisions?

Geez, any fool would certainly know that there is little truth in
advertising and that companies will say anything to deflect criticism
away from their products and bolster their claims that their products
are worth buying, but only idiots would try to use advertising material
and attempt to present it as bona fide and trustworthy research! White
papers my ass! Looks more like toilet paper!

John

 

[Bill in Co.]

Yes, it's long been known that Microsoft is the habit of posting
"anecdotal" fixes for "anecdotal" problems in its Knowledge Base,
happens all the time. Luckily we have experts like you to sort these
things out...

John

ROFL!!

 

[ANONYMOUS]

The only good registry cleaner is your Windows XP CD. You can reformat
your HD and do a clean install of WinXP and your registry will be as
clean as possible. In fact one would go further to say that your
Registry can't be cleaner!

You can then IMAGE your HD for future "cleaning".

Hope this helps.

 

[Twayne]

Are you stupid or what! Posting SPAM and hype from the companies and
hucksters who sell these programs and suggesting that it is valid
research is about as dumb as one can get! Are you a retired tobacco
company executive or what? I can go through the research provided by
those tobacco companies in earlier days and by their research I can
assure you that cigarettes do not cause lung cancer. As a matter of
fact they are completely benign and even good for you, they help you
relax and they help you keep your weight down, an absolutely marvelous
product that should be used by anyone and everyone who has frayed
nerves or weight problems! And if I consult Ford advertising from
days gone by I can assure you that the Ford Pinto is a perfectly safe
car that can withstand any rear end collision! Fears about exploding
Pintos are just misguided opinions from GM customers... or GM
executives! Ford says so, so it must be true, after all would they
ever sell cars that explode in rear end collisions?

Geez, any fool would certainly know that there is little truth in
advertising and that companies will say anything to deflect criticism
away from their products and bolster their claims that their products
are worth buying, but only idiots would try to use advertising
material and attempt to present it as bona fide and trustworthy
research! White papers my ass! Looks more like toilet paper!

John

said the poor fool who can't read or comprehend anything. You're really
afraid of losing control, aren't you? lol, you can't control thinking
people, idiot.