registry cleaners

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Sammy Castagna

Are registry cleaners a good idea or bad? I have done some reading and some
say they are bad and some say they are bad. Has any one here had any
experience with them good or bad. Or are they even necessary looks like
Microsoft would build it into the operating system if it were needed.

Sammy Castagna
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

Sammy Castagna said:
Are registry cleaners a good idea or bad? I have done some reading and
some say they are bad and some say they are bad. Has any one here had any
experience with them good or bad. Or are they even necessary looks like
Microsoft would build it into the operating system if it were needed.

Sammy Castagna


A safe registry cleaner only removes what would have been perfectly
innocuous if left where it was.

Other functions included in registry cleaners can stop some programs from
running as they should, and can also bring an OS to its knees..
Some advertized registry cleaners are bad news even in their 'safe' mode.

Don't use registry cleaners..


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The Real Truth MVP

Microsoft does include a registry cleaner in its OS. Why include it if it is
not necessary. Registry cleaners are needed and anyone who tells you
differently does not have the expertise and/or experience in the windows
registry or registry cleaners in general. That said you should not have to
pay for any. CCleaner is a good free registry cleaner which does an
excellent job cleaning the registry http://www.ccleaner.com/. It is also
user friendly and shows you each and every thing it is going to remove and
gives you the option remove it or not. It also does backups.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Are registry cleaners a good idea or bad? I have done some reading and some
say they are bad and some say they are bad. Has any one here had any
experience with them good or bad. Or are they even necessary looks like
Microsoft would build it into the operating system if it were needed.


You'll get both kinds of views of them here. My view, and the view of
almost everyone here who has opinions you can trust is the following:

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.
 
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Anthony Buckland

Sammy Castagna said:
Are registry cleaners a good idea or bad?

About once a week, someone asks.
The same day or the next, someone knowledgeable
says stay away from them. All of them. Always.

Does that help?
 
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Dave Onex

Never use a registry cleaner - they cause more problems then they solve.
A registry cleaner is right up there with tune-up in a can, engine overhaul
in a can, a/c repair in a can, compression restorer and every other kind of
snake oil.

If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, run, don't walk away from them. The
only way to properly 'clean' a registry is manually and that can only be
done when you understand what you're doing and what your unique system is
comprised of. Every computer is different and because registry 'cleaner'
software is generic it doesn't understand the unique nature of your computer
and as such it will likely cause harm.

In short, leave the registry alone unless you know what you're doing.

In the olden days programs used to leave lots of pieces of themselves behind
when they were removed. This caused registries to grow over time as they
would be filled with useless junk. Some years ago Microsoft spent a great
deal of time on creating installer programs (such as the windows installer)
that would _properly_ uninstall programs. In short, the problem was
identified, programmers were educated, and steps were taken to address the
problem.

If you are using _quality_ software then generally they don't leave pieces
behind when you un-install them. When you have a program that is botched and
won't un-install itself properly the proper way to address the issue is to
re-install the software completely and then try un-installing it.

There was a short period of time long ago when registry cleaners were
actually useful but their time has come and gone because the issue has been
addressed by all but poor programmers. If you believe you can solve all your
computer problems by using tune up in a can then you should also play the
lottery and buy that bridge from that fellow in New York....

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Marianne

The said:
Microsoft does include a registry cleaner in its OS. Why include it if
it is not necessary.

What a pile of rubish! Real True Nonsense. Microsoft does not and has
never included a registry cleaner in any of its operating systems. MVP
my ass, you're a fraud!

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HeyBub

The said:
Microsoft does include a registry cleaner in its OS. Why include it
if it is not necessary.

Oh? Tell us the name of this included "Microsoft Registry Cleaner" wise one.
 
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The Real Truth MVP

It's part of the process when using disk cleanup, it's hidden, but they
also include it in their Windows Live OneCare scanner
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm which is not. Now why
would they do that if it is not needed. You also need to learn that MS is
not responsible for 3rd party software and their failure to completely
uninstall the crap they put in. Any left over crap in the registry whether
it is used or not is corruption. Would you leave little bits of malware
files or virus file entries in your registry? How would you even know they
are there without the use of a registry cleaner. There is no such thing as a
lucky guess.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Sammy said:
Are registry cleaners a good idea or bad? I have done some reading and some
say they are bad and some say they are bad.


A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed
- is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for
registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their
manufacturers. On rare occasions, registry cleaners can be, in the
hands of a skilled technician, useful, time-saving diagnostic tools.
Otherwise, they're nothing but snake oil.

Remember, the registry is an *indexed* database. The OS doesn't have
scan through each and every registry entry to find the one that it's
looking for. To use an imperfect analogy, try thinking of the registry
as a book with a very detailed table of contents. Once the OS knows to
which "page" it must turn to find the information needed, the OS goes
*directly* (much more so than you or I could do with a physical book) to
the pertinent data. The number of intervening "pages, paragraphs, and
words" is utterly irrelevant.

The only time the sheer number of registry entries matters, and can
possibly affect performance, is when one is doing something that
requires a full entry-by-entry scan of the registry. And one does this
*only* on those rare occasions when it is necessary to search the
registry for a particular value, or when using something like a registry
scanner or "cleaner." Day-to-day operations remain untouched.

Has any one here had any
experience with them good or bad. Or are they even necessary looks like
Microsoft would build it into the operating system if it were needed.

Sammy Castagna



Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


Why I don't use registry cleaners
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

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Bruce Chambers

The said:
Microsoft does include a registry cleaner in its OS.

No, it doesn't. That's a deliberate lie.
Why include it if
it is not necessary. Registry cleaners are needed and anyone who tells
you differently does not have the expertise and/or experience in the
windows registry or registry cleaners in general.

That's another deliberate lie. The only people who recommend the use
of registry cleaners are either tolls like yourself, or sanke oil scam
artists looking for a profit.

That said you should
not have to pay for any. CCleaner is a good free registry cleaner which
does an excellent job cleaning the registry http://www.ccleaner.com/.


Another falsehood. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS
installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
"find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)

As a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse
than any other snake oil product of the same type.



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Gerry

Bruce

Sadly Microsoft do include a Registry Cleaner as a component of Windows
Live OneCare. This is not bundled with the operating system so in that
respect you are right. Windows Live OneCare is, however, being marketted
strongly by Microsoft. I doubt that many of us here think it is a good
piece of software to have installed; certainly not software to be
recommended to others.


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The Real Truth MVP

You've been stating that same thing for years. How can something that has
had numerous updates, most recently 1 month ago be the latest version years
ago when you did your "Test". You must think I'm a fool to believe that
formatted a system just to test the latest version of CCleaner or any
registry cleaner for that matter. Tell us then in your "Tests" did you allow
CCleaner to remove what it found? Did it crash your system? What hundreds of
orphaned entries did it find? Could you manually find those entries without
the use of CCleaner? You know as well as I do that those entries can get
there by any type of change to software or drivers. I think what you are
really trying to say is that MS OS is flawed. CCleaner is doing exactly what
it was designed to when cleaning the registry so you can take your snake oil
BS elsewhere.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Gerry said:
Bruce

Sadly Microsoft do include a Registry Cleaner as a component of Windows
Live OneCare.


I'm aware of that.

This is not bundled with the operating system so in that
respect you are right.


Exactly, and the troll was lying.

Windows Live OneCare is, however, being marketted
strongly by Microsoft. I doubt that many of us here think it is a good
piece of software to have installed; certainly not software to be
recommended to others.


Agreed. I've never thought of Live OneCare, or any other web-based
subscription service as a good idea. But now that Microsoft has decided
to milk people's superstitious "desire" for a registry cleaner, it's an
even worse deal. Instead of being something that one simlpy doesn't
recommend, Live OneCare is now something whose use competent and
conscientious technicians will have to actively recommend against.


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Leythos

What a pile of rubish! Real True Nonsense. Microsoft does not and has
never included a registry cleaner in any of its operating systems. MVP
my ass, you're a fraud!

Actually, you could download a registry cleaner from MS long ago. I
remember doing so. They don't offer it for download any longer.

The real problem is "Registry Cleaner" products is that they are almost
always bundled with LOTS OF CRAP.
 
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Unknown

Why on earth do you insist on making an ass of yourself? Please explain.
Week after week it's the same.
 
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Muddle

Leythos said:
Actually, you could download a registry cleaner from MS long ago. I
remember doing so. They don't offer it for download any longer.

The real problem is "Registry Cleaner" products is that they are almost
always bundled with LOTS OF CRAP.

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RegClean and OleClean. Both put out by Microsoft, both work just fine in XP
and both can be downloaded from various places on the web such as CNET,
Major Geeks etc. I've never had either one remove any registry entries that
were actually needed by anything, but that doesn't mean others haven't.
Although neither one cleans up -run registry settings nor will any other
cleaner that I know of as these registry entries point to programs that are
still on your hard drive. You've deselected them in MsConfig because you
don't want them to run resident. The only way to get rid of them is to
uninstall the goofy program that put them there in the first place. Use
some other program that reads adobe files, there are others with a smaller
footprint on your hard drive that don't use a damned gig of memory even when
they're not being used. Let the programmers of Adobe Reader, Macromedia
Flash, Apple QuickTime and the rest know your not putting up with this crap
and then uninstall it.
 

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