xp Pro reinstall fails

D

Dolph46

I am trying to reinstall XP Pro on my daughters old computer so she can give
it to a friend. During the deleting of old XP files on the existing NTFS
partion, the notr book completel shuts down. I tried to reformat the HD
(NTFS) and in does the same thing. ??? Never had this problem before.
 
G

G. Morgan

Dolph46 said:
I am trying to reinstall XP Pro on my daughters old computer so she can give
it to a friend. During the deleting of old XP files on the existing NTFS
partion, the notr book completel shuts down. I tried to reformat the HD
(NTFS) and in does the same thing. ??? Never had this problem before.

Your question is very vague, see sig.

Are you booting off the XP disk?
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Dolph46 said:
I am trying to reinstall XP Pro on my daughters old computer so she
can give it to a friend. During the deleting of old XP files on the
existing NTFS partion, the notr book completel shuts down. I tried
to reformat the HD (NTFS) and in does the same thing. ??? Never had
this problem before.

Verify you are following the recommended ways of installing cleanly.

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
 
G

G. Morgan

Dolph46 said:
Yes I have followed those instructions. I have done this a few times before
on other machines and never had a problem like this.

What point exactly does the PC shut down? Has the format been completed and
system files copied to the HDD yet? If so, yank the CD out and let it boot
from the HDD. Setup does a restart occasionally, but not a shutdown.

If it is simply shutting down with no obvious process that did it I'd be
looking at the power source and BIOS settings.
 
P

Paul

Dolph46 said:
Yes I have followed those instructions. I have done this a few times before
on other machines and never had a problem like this.

If it was my computer, I'd probably attempt to run the
hard drive diagnostic.

One problem with that, is not all manufacturers provide
a diagnostic. Seagate has one they provide for their
customers. I just checked Toshiba, and I cannot find
one there. The Seagate one is self-booting (I have
a copy on a floppy). There is also a version in the
form of an ISO9660 file, and you can burn a CD using
the contents of the ISO (I use Nero for that). That
CD could then be used to boot the computer.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools/seatooldreg

If Windows was still running, you can use HDTune.
Version 2.55 is free. You can run the benchmark test,
and if substantial portions of the disk give "low bandwidth",
that could be a sign of a large number of substituted sectors.
There is also an error scan, which will scan the surface of the
drive, looking for sectors with CRC errors.

http://www.hdtune.com/download.html

The normal result, would be as shown by the blue line in
the picture here. Disk bandwidth is highest near the
beginning of the disk. And gets lower near the end
of the disk. In the picture here, you can see the
"zoned" nature of the transfer characteristic. Notice
there are no downward spikes in this picture, so this
disk would be brand new.

http://www.hdtune.com/benchmark_read.png

A few spikes in the graph, is not cause for concern, but
if you see signs the test is not advancing, that can mean
a large number of retries are being attempted by the drive.

But if you've erased Windows, and your brand of drive
is one for which diagnostics don't exist, then it is
going to be more difficult to test the drive.

DBAN can erase a hard drive (use the "quick erase", so
you won't have to wait all week). If the computer
shuts down, in the middle of DBAN running, I guess
my next move, would be to put a spare 2.5" drive
in the computer, to see if you can make it functional
again. This is assuming, that problems only occur when
attempting to access the entire disk surface, and not when
other activities are being carried out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBAN

Note that DBAN will attempt to erase all connected disks,
so before booting up with DBAN, *only* the target disk
should be connected. It is possible the author has
added finer control over the erasure process, but there
have been cases in the DBAN forum, where people have
accidentally erased their backup drive that happened
to remain connected to the computer. And the DBAN
style of erasure, isn't going to leave much for
a data recovery company to work with. DBAN can erase
up to 99 connected drives, simultaneously. In this
case, you're using DBAN as much as a test vehicle,
as for the fact it is erasing the disk for you.

http://www.dban.org/download

Paul
 
R

Randem

First check the HD for errors using TestDisk. HD errors are NOT all
reported. Example: When a sector is going bad the computer will run slow for
one of the following reasons:

1 - Sector reads are returning bad CRC so the OS keeps reading the sector a
few time attempting to match the CRC. At some point the CRC may match then
the computer moves on. This is the case where the sector may NOT be seen as
bad by many HD testing utilities. You can guage this visually though by
watching the sector count on the HD test go by. If you see a change in speed
of the reads then your HD is most likely going bad.

2 - Sectors are BAD and the utility report it as so. The OS will still
attempt to read these sectors causeing the computer to seemingly hang for a
while until the OS gives up an moves along until it encounters the next BAD
sector and this will happen all over again.

Drives today are basically SMART. They have sectors pre-allocated on the
unit so that when sectors go bad they will on the fly swap out one for the
other and you keep chugging along. They problem arises when the drive runs
out of sectors to replace the bad ones; then your drive is toast. Chkdsk /r
should only be used to recover data so that you can get your data off the
drive for it is doing a software sector swap. It may prolong the life of the
drive for a while doing this but it is only a stop gap method.

Do not under-estimate the testing of the HD before re-installing the OS.
When re-installing the OS all the software sector swaps will be erased and
you will have your bad sectors back and the OS may choke when attempting to
re-install.

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Your Installation Specialist
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J

Johnw

After serious thinking Dolph46 wrote :
I am trying to reinstall XP Pro on my daughters old computer so she can give
it to a friend. During the deleting of old XP files on the existing NTFS
partion, the notr book completel shuts down. I tried to reformat the HD
(NTFS) and in does the same thing. ??? Never had this problem before.

I would do it again, to get your HD really clean, use both of these,
they are instant ( no waiting ) start with Zap 1st & WIPE OUT
immediately after. Both can go on your boot disk ( either floppy or cd
) Set your bios to boot from floppy or cd 1st. Only safe way to clean
up the HD, is to do it on it's own, in other words no other HD
connected to the cable.

Zap
http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/asm/mbr/BootToolsRefs.htm#ZAP
http://www.digitalissues.co.uk/html/os/misc/ibm-wipe-zap.html
Freeware.
Zap is a DOS software utility that writes zeroes to the first 128
sectors on a hard disk drive, including the Master Boot Record and the
first Partition Boot Record. It can be used with both SCSI and IDE
drives. This function is now included in the Drive Fitness Test.

=======================================

WIPE OUT
http://www.lurkhere.com/~nicefiles/index.html
http://www.lurkhere.com/~nicefiles/wipeout.zip
Freeware.
WIPE OUT: as the name implies, this utility will absolutely WIPE your
hard drive. For those times when an industrial strength cleaner is
needed to remove any pesky files Fdisk may have left behind. A readme
file is included in the zip file. WARNING...WIPE OUT will remove ALL
data from the Hard Drive.

DIRECTIONS

1- Unzip file
2- Copy WIPE OUT to a Win95/98/ME boot disk or put the boot disk, Zap &
WIPE OUT onto cd.
3- Boot with Win9x disk, make sure the bios is set to boot from floppy
or cd 1st.
4- At the A:\> type "wipeout c: /nq /np" (no quotes)
/nq = no queries - you will not be asked if you are sure.
/np = no partitions - this will overwrite the MBR

Press Enter.

Now use your XP cd to format & partition.
Or,
Run fdisk to set up partitions.
http://fdisk.radified.com/
When done, reboot & format.
 

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