x64 pro activation removal ?

[ERIC GOERLITZ]

I bought Win95 twice,Win98 once, and never was I given the upgrade deal M$
used to have on its DOS platform. Until they offer $10-$20 upgrades again,
I'll stick with 98 and practice my Linux. I have no sympathy for Mr. Bobby
Starbuck's caffeine withdrawal rant, and by the time I check newsgroups
again he won't even be a bad memory.

 

[J.Venning]

You have pretty big b*lls asking for someone to help you steal what is not
yours.
Buy a legitimate copy. It is because of scum like you that prices for
software are so inflated.
How would you like it if you developed something, and then people
proceeded to steal it instead of pay you for it?
You are a thief.
You and your kind are not appreciated in this newsgroup.
Bobby

I work and live in Denmark, and I've just returned from a trip to the
U.S. of A., where I visited CompUSA in New York and Best Buy in Tucson and
DC. I was ready and willing to pay hard cold cash for a hard copy of Windows
x64, but apparently it was not available in any of the shops - not only was
it not available, but the shop assistants who tried to help me were not
familiar with this OS, and when I asked about Longhorn, they actually
thought is was Mac (!!!). Apparently, you cannot get a hard copy of x64 in
the shops - you can only send for a copy after having shown proof of
purchase of a hard copy of Windows Professional.
J.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

I work and live in Denmark, and I've just returned from a trip to the
U.S. of A., where I visited CompUSA in New York and Best Buy in Tucson and
DC. I was ready and willing to pay hard cold cash for a hard copy of
Windows x64, but apparently it was not available in any of the shops - not
only was it not available, but the shop assistants who tried to help me
were not familiar with this OS, and when I asked about Longhorn, they
actually thought is was Mac (!!!). Apparently, you cannot get a hard copy
of x64 in the shops - you can only send for a copy after having shown
proof of purchase of a hard copy of Windows Professional.
J.

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is OEM only, meaning that you must buy
it with a qualifying piece of hardware. It is indeed available to anyone
who wishes to buy it. You do not have to show proof of any prior version of
Windows to buy the 64 bit version.

It is available online at e-tailers like Directon and New Egg, and is
available at my local CompUSA. As far as the 'shop assistants" not knowing
what Longhorn is...how many people actually know what Longhorn is, other
than enthusiasts who read the computer magazines or frequent newsgroups like
this? It is not unusual to find misinformed persons working the Directron
modern computer store...most have done away with commissions and incentives,
thus the unfortunate men and women working there are working for minimum
wage in a thankless job where they have to put up with arrogant people
asking them about an operating system that is not even in Beta testing yet.

Stop your bitching...buy a copy from an on line etailer...you do not have to
show proof of a prior version...


Bobby

 

[J.Venning]

(snip) .. Stop your bitching...buy a copy from an on line etailer...you do
not have to show proof of a prior version...
Bobby

Bitching indeed! I merely asked the shop assistants for some help - they
didn't seem to be interested in their work whatsoever. Surely commissions
are not the only reason for shop assistants to know their field. Should they
not feel comfortable in that line of work, they are free to choose another:
it is after all a free country, is it not? Now then, would you be so kind as
to give me the link to the said on line etailer, so I can pay for my copy of
Windows x64? Thank you in advance. Which CompUSA is it that you said has
these in store?
J.

 

[Beall]

Bitching indeed! I merely asked the shop assistants for some help -
they didn't seem to be interested in their work whatsoever. Surely
commissions are not the only reason for shop assistants to know their
field. Should they not feel comfortable in that line of work, they are
free to choose another: it is after all a free country, is it not? Now
then, would you be so kind as to give me the link to the said on line
etailer, so I can pay for my copy of Windows x64? Thank you in advance.
Which CompUSA is it that you said has these in store?
J.

I have used newegg.com and tigerdirect.com in the past and have found them
to be quick and reliable... Check out their websites and you should be able
to find an OEM copy of the OS. Usually, you are required to buy some
hardware with the purchase, but anything (even a $2 cable) counts...

kev

 

[J.Venning]

I have used newegg.com and tigerdirect.com in the past and have found them
to be quick and reliable... Check out their websites and you should be
able to find an OEM copy of the OS. Usually, you are required to buy some
hardware with the purchase, but anything (even a $2 cable) counts...
kev

Thank you - that is most kind of you. I shall certainly check it out.
This month's issue of PC World maintains that it's best to wait for Longhorn
rather than use Windows x64, and I read in Google news that Longhorn was
supposed to be on the shelves of the shops in June 2005: that was the reason
why I asked for it at the various shops I visited. I've given Windows RC2 a
try, because my computer has an AMD x64 processor, but it was a disaster -
my hardware didn't respond properly and many of the software I bought (yes,
bought with money) did not work either.
J.

 

[Bill]

I have used newegg.com and tigerdirect.com in the past and have found them
to be quick and reliable... Check out their websites and you should be able
to find an OEM copy of the OS. Usually, you are required to buy some
hardware with the purchase, but anything (even a $2 cable) counts...

kev

Actually, if you buy from Newegg, they will add a power supply Y cable
for $5.00 to qualify you for the 'must buy hardware requirement', then
give you a $5.00 dollar discount.

Bill

 

[J.Venning]

Actually, if you buy from Newegg, they will add a power supply Y cable
for $5.00 to qualify you for the 'must buy hardware requirement', then
give you a $5.00 dollar discount.
Bill

Thanks for the info. That brings me to a point which I don't quite
understand re. American marketing policy - "mail-in rebate". I noticed that
there were many items with offers of "mail-in rebate", some of which
amounted to free items after the rebate. How exactly do these companies then
make money on these goods? Are they merely interested in your buying other
items in the shop, or are they merely interested in getting your name and
address for future commercials through the mail? Or?
J.

 

[Bill]

Thanks for the info. That brings me to a point which I don't quite
understand re. American marketing policy - "mail-in rebate". I noticed that
there were many items with offers of "mail-in rebate", some of which
amounted to free items after the rebate. How exactly do these companies then
make money on these goods?

Not everybody sends in the rebate, or follows the rebate instructions
to the letter which will negate the rebate. Some companies just flat
never send you back the money. Yes, that's fraud, so spend a few
thousand dollars sueing them to get back your $39.95.

Are they merely interested in your buying other
items in the shop,
Yes.

or are they merely interested in getting your name and
address for future commercials through the mail?

Yes, that too.

Or?
J.

Bill

 

[J.Venning]

Not everybody sends in the rebate, or follows the rebate instructions
to the letter which will negate the rebate. Some companies just flat
never send you back the money. Yes, that's fraud, so spend a few
thousand dollars sueing them to get back your $39.95.

How shocking! And this has been going on all this time in the "Land of
the Free"? Surely someone must have tried to stop such commercial scams,
when the evidence is so clear. Incidentally, your President is on a 17-hour
visit in Denmark right this very moment.
J.

 

[D Persica]

Not everybody sends in the rebate, or follows the rebate instructions
to the letter which will negate the rebate. Some companies just flat
never send you back the money. Yes, that's fraud, so spend a few
thousand dollars sueing them to get back your $39.95.

I always forget to send in the rebate material by the deadline. It's such a
complicated process, I keep putting it aside until I forget about it and the
company wins.
I think it's time for consumers to band together against this somehow. I'm
not talking about a lawsuit, but somehow we need to start using our group
power to tell manufacturers "No, I will not buy an $80 hard drive with an
offer for a $40 rebate. Instead, offer me the drive for $40 and then I'll
buy it."

Another way consumers lose is in the example above, even if you do get the
rebate, you will have paid sales tax on an $80 purchase instead of a $40
one.

Does anyone know anyone who is organizing to fight this? Is there a website
dedicated to ending rebates in favor of straight-up cheaper prices? It seems
to me that even if 90% of the shoppers forget to mail in the rebate, a
rebate program still results in some added costs for the manufacturer. They
have to print up rebate coupons. They have to come up with in-store rebate
advertising material. They sometimes have to alter the product boxes (or add
something to the shrinkwrap) to hype the rebate. How much does that all cost
the manufacturer?
How about if they just jettison those extra costs and reduce the price of
the product accordingly.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

I always forget to send in the rebate material by the deadline. It's such
a complicated process, I keep putting it aside until I forget about it and
the company wins.
I think it's time for consumers to band together against this somehow. I'm
not talking about a lawsuit, but somehow we need to start using our group
power to tell manufacturers "No, I will not buy an $80 hard drive with an
offer for a $40 rebate. Instead, offer me the drive for $40 and then I'll
buy it."

Another way consumers lose is in the example above, even if you do get the
rebate, you will have paid sales tax on an $80 purchase instead of a $40
one.

Does anyone know anyone who is organizing to fight this? Is there a
website dedicated to ending rebates in favor of straight-up cheaper
prices? It seems to me that even if 90% of the shoppers forget to mail in
the rebate, a rebate program still results in some added costs for the
manufacturer. They have to print up rebate coupons. They have to come up
with in-store rebate advertising material. They sometimes have to alter
the product boxes (or add something to the shrinkwrap) to hype the rebate.
How much does that all cost the manufacturer?
How about if they just jettison those extra costs and reduce the price of
the product accordingly.

You must understand that the companies that offer mail-in rebates depend on
people like you
who "forget" to mail them in. About 70% never mail in the rebates, and of
those that do mail in rebates, about half do not follow the instructions or
guidelines. It is a fact of life, and will not change.

If 100% of buyers began claiming MMIR, the program would immediately stop.

Bobby

 

[Bill]

I always forget to send in the rebate material by the deadline. It's such a
complicated process, I keep putting it aside until I forget about it and the
company wins.
I think it's time for consumers to band together against this somehow. I'm
not talking about a lawsuit, but somehow we need to start using our group
power to tell manufacturers "No, I will not buy an $80 hard drive with an
offer for a $40 rebate. Instead, offer me the drive for $40 and then I'll
buy it."

Forgive my cynicism, but I think herding cats would be easier.

Another way consumers lose is in the example above, even if you do get the
rebate, you will have paid sales tax on an $80 purchase instead of a $40
one.

Does anyone know anyone who is organizing to fight this? Is there a website
dedicated to ending rebates in favor of straight-up cheaper prices? It seems
to me that even if 90% of the shoppers forget to mail in the rebate, a
rebate program still results in some added costs for the manufacturer. They
have to print up rebate coupons. They have to come up with in-store rebate
advertising material. They sometimes have to alter the product boxes (or add
something to the shrinkwrap) to hype the rebate. How much does that all cost
the manufacturer?
How about if they just jettison those extra costs and reduce the price of
the product accordingly.

If they didn't make money doing rebates; they wouldn't do them. You
forget that the companies running the rebates get a wealth of
information on customers that they can sell to other companies.

I do believe we are drifting into OT territory with this thread.

Bill

 

[Doug Lynn]

Hi, $149 Win XP pro 64 bit OEM, buy it with any internal computer part, a
cable, floppy etc.

www.lynncomp.com

They ship internationally by mail.

 

[Wes Newell]

Hi, $149 Win XP pro 64 bit OEM, buy it with any internal computer part, a
cable, floppy etc.

Just one serious question, and I'm not sure who can answer it. Why in the
world would anyone want to spend $149 (or any amount for that matter) for
any OS when they can get Linux in both 32 or 64 bit versions for free?
They can upgrade it for free every year. Don't have to worry about
viruses. Don't have to purchase additional office suites.etc. since
they're free too (and usually come with the distro.

 

[J.Venning]

Hi, $149 Win XP pro 64 bit OEM, buy it with any internal computer part, a
cable, floppy etc.
www.lynncomp.com
They ship internationally by mail.

Thank you for the reply. I've decided to wait for Vista (Longhorn),
which should arrive "soon". The trouble is, "soon" can mean anything between
later this month and later next year.
J.

 

[J.Venning]

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:57:32 -0400, Doug Lynn wrote:
Just one serious question, and I'm not sure who can answer it. Why in the
world would anyone want to spend $149 (or any amount for that matter) for
any OS when they can get Linux in both 32 or 64 bit versions for free?
They can upgrade it for free every year. Don't have to worry about
viruses. Don't have to purchase additional office suites.etc. since
they're free too (and usually come with the distro.

And you shall get a serious answer, which I wrote in another thread in
March.

I bought a copy of Linux last March - it only cost $18.99 - and tried it
out. Everything worked out alright with my AMD x64, until I tried to install
the software programs for which I spent a small fortune - Linux cannot use
Windows programs. I presume all the work I've done and saved can be
converted into Linux format, but would others to whom I send my files (and
only use Windows), and from whom I receive files, be able to work with them?
J.

 

[Wes Newell]

And you shall get a serious answer, which I wrote in another thread in
March.

I bought a copy of Linux last March - it only cost $18.99 - and tried it
out. Everything worked out alright with my AMD x64, until I tried to install
the software programs for which I spent a small fortune - Linux cannot use
Windows programs. I presume all the work I've done and saved can be
converted into Linux format, but would others to whom I send my files (and
only use Windows), and from whom I receive files, be able to work with them?
J.

Well, Linux is not Windows, but you can run Windows programs in Linux
(with wine, and several other programs that allow this). Linux also
supports many windows formats or the data can easily be converted to a
linux format that will run under a native linux app. And the fact that you
spent a small fortune for windows programs to run in windows only furthers
my point. As for shared files, most linux apps will create data files in
many formats that windows users can use. But I'm not sure you can read
this since I sent it in Linux.

 

[J.Venning]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:11:55 +0200, J.Venning wrote:
Well, Linux is not Windows, but you can run Windows programs in Linux
(with wine, and several other programs that allow this). Linux also
supports many windows formats or the data can easily be converted to a
linux format that will run under a native linux app. And the fact that you
spent a small fortune for windows programs to run in windows only furthers
my point. As for shared files, most linux apps will create data files in
many formats that windows users can use. But I'm not sure you can read
this since I sent it in Linux.

I am fully aware of the advantages of using Linux (and Mac), compared to
Windows, but I do a tremendous amount of work with MS Word and Corel
PhotoPaint, and these have to be assessed, approved, and published. No one
in this network of mine uses Linux (nor Mac), and people who are pressed for
time don't look favourably towards having to convert files into another
platform to view and work: in the days when I used the Mac, they would
simply send the files back and asked me to convert them to Windows before
forwarding the files. Unlike some, I still have an open mind towards the
various Os's, and I would certainly welcome your views on the advantages you
would put forth for my changing to Linux. As for Internet newsgroups, I
don't think the server differentiates or favours the various different
platforms one uses.
J.

 

[Wes Newell]

I am fully aware of the advantages of using Linux (and Mac), compared to
Windows, but I do a tremendous amount of work with MS Word and Corel
PhotoPaint, and these have to be assessed, approved, and published. No one
in this network of mine uses Linux (nor Mac), and people who are pressed for
time don't look favourably towards having to convert files into another
platform to view and work:

Open office writer will save files in the following formats; MSword (95,
97, 6.0), RTF, Starwriter, HTML, and of course text and native. I'm almost
certqain that MS word also supports rtf. You can also send the doc as a
PDF file or document.

I don't know anything about Corel Photopaint, but I just downloaded the
linux version. It's huge though. Want it? I'm going to delete it.

94823455 Aug 1 12:54 CorelPHOTOPAINT9LnxRPM.tar.gz

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