WinXP mobos or a 'rant of stupidity'

[tooly]

I have 3 computers:
1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
This is my main machine.

2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
standalone ver.]
I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.

3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.


I want to make the new build Gigabyte mobo system my "killer' machine with
the best equipment I have and one of the versions of XP as it's OS.

I want to make my present amd 2200xp machine my 'second' PC for storage and
multiplayer gaming using my second version of WinXP upgrade. This may be
easiest since I can just leave the present WinXP on that machine and trade
off files as needed.

The old 1ghz athlon I'd like to keep an older OS [say the Win98 I have on
hand] for playing 'old games' that are now classics [like XCOM etc].

-------------
First, are there proprietary issues here, since both copies of WinXP
upgrades were established on the old copies of WinME and Win98. Do I have
the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
upgrade of WinXP? Sheese, that'll jack up total costs of operating systems
for 3 machines over the years to close a $1000 smackeroos (as much or more
than the hardware if I have to buy a new version OS)...much of it redundant
as 'upgrades'. I have purchased '4' good operating systems in good
faith...and now perhaps required to purchase yet again (for 3 machines)?
Does anyone see why 'crack codes' become so popular [but no, I'll just get
fleeced; it was the way I was brought up...so I die early is all, (natural
selection and all for honest chumps like me/ or is it just 'stupid')].

WinXP makes all this problematic anyway. Since these are 'upgrades' I have
on my two main PCs now, there is no 'repair install' offered in the menus
that I can simply change over hard disks as needed for my new PC
configurations. These were 'upgrades' remember.

I see no other way than 'reformatting' the 1ghz Athlon hard disk? I'm
fleeced again as I carry virus suscriptions and file conversions like MP3
and other downloaded internet stuff, that become problematic when verifying
on internet websites if changes are made. I've had to 're-purchase' such in
the past even having backups burnt on CD.

Look, I understand Microsoft wanting to rake in the dough, one OS per
machine across the world, but I don't sense 'fairness' here. I guess I
could just do without...go to Linux or something (at least that's cheaper,
but what about software compatibility???). I think I'll convert to
communism...Free Markets can really 'suck' for poor schmucks like myself
(but then the technology wouldn't be developed to get mad over in the first
place[lack of incentives to fleece people])!!! Or again, maybe I'm just
stupid [ie, ignoring the crack codes etc]. Yea, suppose that's really it.

So, how do the techies do it? I know damn well they aren't forking out a
thousand big ones for OS's unless they got it to burn (or it's someone
else's money, like the corporate daddies). In frustration, thanks anyway
for any suggestions.

ps- maybe I should convert to Islam...and then just blow things up.
[laughing...not crazy...for you FBI types]...but man, I can understand why a
lot of crazies might be 'cropping' up out there.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Q. "Do I have the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
while using that same upgrade of WinXP?"

A. No. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis
for your upgrade eligibility. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase "Full Versions"
of Windows XP.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


|I have 3 computers:
| 1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
| This is my main machine.
|
| 2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
| standalone ver.]
| I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
| etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.
|
| 3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
| have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.
|
|
| I want to make the new build Gigabyte mobo system my "killer' machine with
| the best equipment I have and one of the versions of XP as it's OS.
|
| I want to make my present amd 2200xp machine my 'second' PC for storage and
| multiplayer gaming using my second version of WinXP upgrade. This may be
| easiest since I can just leave the present WinXP on that machine and trade
| off files as needed.
|
| The old 1ghz athlon I'd like to keep an older OS [say the Win98 I have on
| hand] for playing 'old games' that are now classics [like XCOM etc].
|
| -------------
| First, are there proprietary issues here, since both copies of WinXP
| upgrades were established on the old copies of WinME and Win98. Do I have
| the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
| upgrade of WinXP? Sheese, that'll jack up total costs of operating systems
| for 3 machines over the years to close a $1000 smackeroos (as much or more
| than the hardware if I have to buy a new version OS)...much of it redundant
| as 'upgrades'. I have purchased '4' good operating systems in good
| faith...and now perhaps required to purchase yet again (for 3 machines)?
| Does anyone see why 'crack codes' become so popular [but no, I'll just get
| fleeced; it was the way I was brought up...so I die early is all, (natural
| selection and all for honest chumps like me/ or is it just 'stupid')].
|
| WinXP makes all this problematic anyway. Since these are 'upgrades' I have
| on my two main PCs now, there is no 'repair install' offered in the menus
| that I can simply change over hard disks as needed for my new PC
| configurations. These were 'upgrades' remember.
|
| I see no other way than 'reformatting' the 1ghz Athlon hard disk? I'm
| fleeced again as I carry virus suscriptions and file conversions like MP3
| and other downloaded internet stuff, that become problematic when verifying
| on internet websites if changes are made. I've had to 're-purchase' such in
| the past even having backups burnt on CD.
|
| Look, I understand Microsoft wanting to rake in the dough, one OS per
| machine across the world, but I don't sense 'fairness' here. I guess I
| could just do without...go to Linux or something (at least that's cheaper,
| but what about software compatibility???). I think I'll convert to
| communism...Free Markets can really 'suck' for poor schmucks like myself
| (but then the technology wouldn't be developed to get mad over in the first
| place[lack of incentives to fleece people])!!! Or again, maybe I'm just
| stupid [ie, ignoring the crack codes etc]. Yea, suppose that's really it.
|
| So, how do the techies do it? I know damn well they aren't forking out a
| thousand big ones for OS's unless they got it to burn (or it's someone
| else's money, like the corporate daddies). In frustration, thanks anyway
| for any suggestions.
|
| ps- maybe I should convert to Islam...and then just blow things up.
| [laughing...not crazy...for you FBI types]...but man, I can understand why a
| lot of crazies might be 'cropping' up out there.

 

[tooly]

Fair enough [well, not really, but MS has me over a barrel legally]. This
IS the era where big corps are sueing little grandmothers for downloading
jingle bells if it's considered 'intellectual property' by someone.
Microsoft has become the modern 'Sheriff of Nottingham' bilking the poor
peasantry.

But...if you read my post [and I'd be amazed at anyone who did; "I" don't
even want to wade through it all], I want the 'extra' 3rd machine for
running classic 'old' games. That means an OS that will run DOS etc. XP,
as you know, will not [no longer building on the DOS underlayer OS]. I
don't need a third XP machine. I don't even need the second machine,
except I'm upgrading all the time and I don't want to just throw the old
parts in the garbage...and it's fun playing multiplayer with friends when
they are over.

So...I have to purchase another full version of Win98...or Win95? Are these
even marketed now? I'd wager 999 out of 1000 people would not even ask this
question. It's stupid since Bill Gates would have to come into my house to
even 'discover' this third machine, used once in a blue moon. Uh...excuse
me...someone's knocking on the door....sirens outside...

Q. "Do I have the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
while using that same upgrade of WinXP?"

A. No. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis
for your upgrade eligibility. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase "Full Versions"
of Windows XP.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------


|I have 3 computers:
| 1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
| This is my main machine.
|
| 2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
| standalone ver.]
| I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
| etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.
|
| 3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
| have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.
|
|
| I want to make the new build Gigabyte mobo system my "killer' machine with
| the best equipment I have and one of the versions of XP as it's OS.
|
| I want to make my present amd 2200xp machine my 'second' PC for storage and
| multiplayer gaming using my second version of WinXP upgrade. This may be
| easiest since I can just leave the present WinXP on that machine and trade
| off files as needed.
|
| The old 1ghz athlon I'd like to keep an older OS [say the Win98 I have on
| hand] for playing 'old games' that are now classics [like XCOM etc].
|
| -------------
| First, are there proprietary issues here, since both copies of WinXP
| upgrades were established on the old copies of WinME and Win98. Do I have
| the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
| upgrade of WinXP? Sheese, that'll jack up total costs of operating systems
| for 3 machines over the years to close a $1000 smackeroos (as much or more
| than the hardware if I have to buy a new version OS)...much of it redundant
| as 'upgrades'. I have purchased '4' good operating systems in good
| faith...and now perhaps required to purchase yet again (for 3 machines)?
| Does anyone see why 'crack codes' become so popular [but no, I'll just get
| fleeced; it was the way I was brought up...so I die early is all, (natural
| selection and all for honest chumps like me/ or is it just 'stupid')].
|
| WinXP makes all this problematic anyway. Since these are 'upgrades' I have
| on my two main PCs now, there is no 'repair install' offered in the menus
| that I can simply change over hard disks as needed for my new PC
| configurations. These were 'upgrades' remember.
|
| I see no other way than 'reformatting' the 1ghz Athlon hard disk? I'm
| fleeced again as I carry virus suscriptions and file conversions like MP3
| and other downloaded internet stuff, that become problematic when verifying
| on internet websites if changes are made. I've had to 're-purchase' such in
| the past even having backups burnt on CD.
|
| Look, I understand Microsoft wanting to rake in the dough, one OS per
| machine across the world, but I don't sense 'fairness' here. I guess I
| could just do without...go to Linux or something (at least that's cheaper,
| but what about software compatibility???). I think I'll convert to
| communism...Free Markets can really 'suck' for poor schmucks like myself
| (but then the technology wouldn't be developed to get mad over in the first
| place[lack of incentives to fleece people])!!! Or again, maybe I'm just
| stupid [ie, ignoring the crack codes etc]. Yea, suppose that's really it.
|
| So, how do the techies do it? I know damn well they aren't forking out a
| thousand big ones for OS's unless they got it to burn (or it's someone
| else's money, like the corporate daddies). In frustration, thanks anyway
| for any suggestions.
|
| ps- maybe I should convert to Islam...and then just blow things up.
| [laughing...not crazy...for you FBI types]...but man, I can understand why a
| lot of crazies might be 'cropping' up out there.

 

[Guest]

The Win XP CD upgrade(retail) is bootable. You could swap HD and do a repair install for new machine and second machine. You would then still need another license for 98 on third machine.

I have 3 computers:
1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
This is my main machine.

2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
standalone ver.]
I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.

3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.


I want to make the new build Gigabyte mobo system my "killer' machine with
the best equipment I have and one of the versions of XP as it's OS.

I want to make my present amd 2200xp machine my 'second' PC for storage and
multiplayer gaming using my second version of WinXP upgrade. This may be
easiest since I can just leave the present WinXP on that machine and trade
off files as needed.

The old 1ghz athlon I'd like to keep an older OS [say the Win98 I have on
hand] for playing 'old games' that are now classics [like XCOM etc].

-------------
First, are there proprietary issues here, since both copies of WinXP
upgrades were established on the old copies of WinME and Win98. Do I have
the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
upgrade of WinXP? Sheese, that'll jack up total costs of operating systems
for 3 machines over the years to close a $1000 smackeroos (as much or more
than the hardware if I have to buy a new version OS)...much of it redundant
as 'upgrades'. I have purchased '4' good operating systems in good
faith...and now perhaps required to purchase yet again (for 3 machines)?
Does anyone see why 'crack codes' become so popular [but no, I'll just get
fleeced; it was the way I was brought up...so I die early is all, (natural
selection and all for honest chumps like me/ or is it just 'stupid')].

WinXP makes all this problematic anyway. Since these are 'upgrades' I have
on my two main PCs now, there is no 'repair install' offered in the menus
that I can simply change over hard disks as needed for my new PC
configurations. These were 'upgrades' remember.

I see no other way than 'reformatting' the 1ghz Athlon hard disk? I'm
fleeced again as I carry virus suscriptions and file conversions like MP3
and other downloaded internet stuff, that become problematic when verifying
on internet websites if changes are made. I've had to 're-purchase' such in
the past even having backups burnt on CD.

Look, I understand Microsoft wanting to rake in the dough, one OS per
machine across the world, but I don't sense 'fairness' here. I guess I
could just do without...go to Linux or something (at least that's cheaper,
but what about software compatibility???). I think I'll convert to
communism...Free Markets can really 'suck' for poor schmucks like myself
(but then the technology wouldn't be developed to get mad over in the first
place[lack of incentives to fleece people])!!! Or again, maybe I'm just
stupid [ie, ignoring the crack codes etc]. Yea, suppose that's really it.

So, how do the techies do it? I know damn well they aren't forking out a
thousand big ones for OS's unless they got it to burn (or it's someone
else's money, like the corporate daddies). In frustration, thanks anyway
for any suggestions.

ps- maybe I should convert to Islam...and then just blow things up.
[laughing...not crazy...for you FBI types]...but man, I can understand why a
lot of crazies might be 'cropping' up out there.

 

[Yves Leclerc]

Since you used a Windows 98 (licensed) on a PC and you then proceeded to
"upgrade" to XP, the original Windows 98 licebse is also part of that XP
license that you upgraded to.

Windows 98 and Windows 95 are no long sold directly by Microsoft. You may
still find software kits locally and on eBay.

Fair enough [well, not really, but MS has me over a barrel legally]. This
IS the era where big corps are sueing little grandmothers for downloading
jingle bells if it's considered 'intellectual property' by someone.
Microsoft has become the modern 'Sheriff of Nottingham' bilking the poor
peasantry.

But...if you read my post [and I'd be amazed at anyone who did; "I" don't
even want to wade through it all], I want the 'extra' 3rd machine for
running classic 'old' games. That means an OS that will run DOS etc. XP,
as you know, will not [no longer building on the DOS underlayer OS]. I
don't need a third XP machine. I don't even need the second machine,
except I'm upgrading all the time and I don't want to just throw the old
parts in the garbage...and it's fun playing multiplayer with friends when
they are over.

So...I have to purchase another full version of Win98...or Win95? Are these
even marketed now? I'd wager 999 out of 1000 people would not even ask this
question. It's stupid since Bill Gates would have to come into my house to
even 'discover' this third machine, used once in a blue moon. Uh...excuse
me...someone's knocking on the door....sirens outside...

Q. "Do I have the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
while using that same upgrade of WinXP?"

A. No. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis
for your upgrade eligibility. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase "Full Versions"
of Windows XP.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------


|I have 3 computers:
| 1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
| This is my main machine.
|
| 2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
| standalone ver.]
| I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
| etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.
|
| 3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
| have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.
|
|
| I want to make the new build Gigabyte mobo system my "killer' machine with
| the best equipment I have and one of the versions of XP as it's OS.
|
| I want to make my present amd 2200xp machine my 'second' PC for

storage

and
| multiplayer gaming using my second version of WinXP upgrade. This may be
| easiest since I can just leave the present WinXP on that machine and trade
| off files as needed.
|
| The old 1ghz athlon I'd like to keep an older OS [say the Win98 I have on
| hand] for playing 'old games' that are now classics [like XCOM etc].
|
| -------------
| First, are there proprietary issues here, since both copies of WinXP
| upgrades were established on the old copies of WinME and Win98. Do I have
| the 'right' to use, say Win98, on another machine, while using that same
| upgrade of WinXP? Sheese, that'll jack up total costs of operating systems
| for 3 machines over the years to close a $1000 smackeroos (as much or more
| than the hardware if I have to buy a new version OS)...much of it redundant
| as 'upgrades'. I have purchased '4' good operating systems in good
| faith...and now perhaps required to purchase yet again (for 3 machines)?
| Does anyone see why 'crack codes' become so popular [but no, I'll just get
| fleeced; it was the way I was brought up...so I die early is all, (natural
| selection and all for honest chumps like me/ or is it just 'stupid')].
|
| WinXP makes all this problematic anyway. Since these are 'upgrades' I have
| on my two main PCs now, there is no 'repair install' offered in the menus
| that I can simply change over hard disks as needed for my new PC
| configurations. These were 'upgrades' remember.
|
| I see no other way than 'reformatting' the 1ghz Athlon hard disk? I'm
| fleeced again as I carry virus suscriptions and file conversions like MP3
| and other downloaded internet stuff, that become problematic when verifying
| on internet websites if changes are made. I've had to 're-purchase' such in
| the past even having backups burnt on CD.
|
| Look, I understand Microsoft wanting to rake in the dough, one OS per
| machine across the world, but I don't sense 'fairness' here. I guess I
| could just do without...go to Linux or something (at least that's cheaper,
| but what about software compatibility???). I think I'll convert to
| communism...Free Markets can really 'suck' for poor schmucks like myself
| (but then the technology wouldn't be developed to get mad over in the first
| place[lack of incentives to fleece people])!!! Or again, maybe I'm just
| stupid [ie, ignoring the crack codes etc]. Yea, suppose that's really it.
|
| So, how do the techies do it? I know damn well they aren't forking

out

a
| thousand big ones for OS's unless they got it to burn (or it's someone
| else's money, like the corporate daddies). In frustration, thanks anyway
| for any suggestions.
|
| ps- maybe I should convert to Islam...and then just blow things up.
| [laughing...not crazy...for you FBI types]...but man, I can understand why a
| lot of crazies might be 'cropping' up out there.

 

[Guest]

so lets get this straight......

you want to have win 98 on one machine and win xp on 2 other machines.
so far so good.

instead of purchasing the full version you purchased the upgrade version of win xp twice to upgrade 2 operating systems you had installed already. so far so good.

now you have machine no. 3.

well in order to do what you want with what you have......
take the win xp upgrade and sell it on ebay or some such other service.
use the win 98 that is now no longer upgraded to re-do the win xp older machine as win98 or use the win me you are no longer using. whichever one you no longer wish to use as an os use as an upgrade point.

buy an oem version of win xp. yes you can get actual legal oem versions from reputable resellers for install on hardware. it's the same price (ROUGHLY) as your upgrade win xp purchases.

and now.....
you don't think a company should be paid the price set by them for their product?
fine, that is your right as a consumer to not buy their product.
if you want the product and pay for it don't complain later about the price being forced on you. contrary to the press (and the DOJ) recently Windows isn't the only operating system out there to run on your x86 based p.c. there's linux, unix and beos and os/2 etc.......

now if you don't wanna use em cause they suck, and windows is better and far more supported, well did microsoft use unfair business practices to reach the number 1 spot or did they instead provide a product that people *gasp* actually wanted.

I am sick of people bashing MS for the wrong reasons.
sure windows isn't perfect, no operating system is. they all have flaws.

MS is in a position to dominate through providing things that got them there.

the three items they have are ....

office (this is the number one compelling reason for large enterprise customers to purchase windows in order to use office)

microsoft visual studio products (this is by far where they beat any competition and have innovated instead of adopted other tech. no other company has anything that comes close to the visual studio ide which is why there are so many programs written for windows. most developers like the visual studio enviorment to program in hence more windows software)

they execute extremely well as a business and have well defined business objectives that they meet or exceed where others fail to. this generates investor support, which means big $$$ for investing in furthering their products which also leads to more big $$$$$ from future sales which = MARKET GROWTH

now I'm not an MS fanboy, far from it, but when people get all "monopoly" and "unfair that i have to pay for my software" it really starts to annoy me. if you don't wanna pay for windows, fine, don't use it. use linux or some such and don't complain that it doesn't run office or direct x games etc....

you do get some value from paying for windows other than just windows, like the ability to run the software you may want to. linux is great as a server, but is lame on a desktop. sure for the average joe linux may be fine. star office, email and web surfing and 3 current games (wolfenstein enemy territory, unreal tournament and quake 3). photoshop... nope, other games....nope etc....
the other os' are worse off except maybe os/2 as it can run a lot of older win 3.11 software and some other stuff for dos.

so there is a reason windows is predominant and it doesn't have anything to do with a monopoly, hmmm go figure
</rant>

 

[D.Currie]

I have 3 computers:
1)amd 2200xp, Abit mobo, Win XP [upgrade from WinME, not standalone ver.]
This is my main machine.

2)amd athlon 1gighz, second version of Win Xp, [upgrade from Win98, not
standalone ver.]
I use this machine for data storage, has my music, pics, many old save files
etc. Also, as gamer machine to net with main computer when company is over.

3) new build, Gigabyte mobo, 80gbyte HD unformatted, no OS as of yet, but
have the old WinME and Win98 in drawer.

<snip>

If I'm reading this right, you have 3 computers, 2 XP upgrades, 2 older OSs.

So to be completely within the EULA, you'd need one more old OS which should
be easy enough to come by for cheap.

And as far as doing a repair install if you move the HD over to different
hardware, there's no reason you can't do it with the upgrade version. I'd
suggest a clean install, just so everything's nice and clean, but the repair
install will work just fine. The menu doesn't actually *say* repair install,
but it's what you get when you reinstall.

Take a deep breath and relax a bit. This shouldn't cost you much at all.