Windows2000 problems.

[Shiperton Henethe]

Windows2000 (latest)
Norton AntiVirus 2003
MSIE v6.0.28
} latest


Hi

How do I go back to an old version of my registry?!

Suspiciously I noticed this problem soon after loading
the lastest Norton AntiVirus (2003) virus definitions
(Dated: January 7, 2004)


Whenever I right-click, it is now suddenly taking about 16 seconds
for the right-click menu to open, even after a complete
re-boot!

Also Excel is taking over 2 minutes to simply open
by itself. Other things are fast as ever...

Hard disks have plenty space.
I have defragged and scanned both disks.
I have tried diabling my Norton anti-virus.

Should I un-install Norton AV completely??


Ship
Shiperton Henethe

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

Windows2000 (latest)
Norton AntiVirus 2003
MSIE v6.0.28
} latest


Hi

How do I go back to an old version of my registry?!

Suspiciously I noticed this problem soon after loading
the lastest Norton AntiVirus (2003) virus definitions
(Dated: January 7, 2004)


Whenever I right-click, it is now suddenly taking about 16 seconds
for the right-click menu to open, even after a complete
re-boot!

Also Excel is taking over 2 minutes to simply open
by itself. Other things are fast as ever...

Hard disks have plenty space.
I have defragged and scanned both disks.
I have tried diabling my Norton anti-virus.

Should I un-install Norton AV completely??


Ship
Shiperton Henethe

The same complaint was posted recently to alt.os.windows2000 by Andrew
Follett, the thread is "Slow Desktop." (e-mail address removed) offered
this suggestion:

"I ran into the same problem here just tonight. It's something to do
with NAV. Try doing a LiveUpdate. When I did this and downloaded the
latest "Live Reg", then everything worked fine and went back to normal
again. The whole thing has something to do with NAV trying to connect
to the Verisign site for some reason."

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

The same complaint was posted recently to alt.os.windows2000 by Andrew
Follett, the thread is "Slow Desktop." (e-mail address removed) offered
this suggestion:

"I ran into the same problem here just tonight. It's something to do
with NAV. Try doing a LiveUpdate. When I did this and downloaded the
latest "Live Reg", then everything worked fine and went back to normal
again. The whole thing has something to do with NAV trying to connect
to the Verisign site for some reason."

Yes I had already done all that.

However I just installed the whole thing and re-booted.
And RESULT!

And my computer feels like it is running about 100x faster
that ever!!

Norton was clearly slowing it down massively even
before the latest problem.

However it is no massively unsafe. So I dare not use
emails and I'm going to have to re-download Norton AV 2003
too in order to re-install it. (Wish me luck!)

I am now strongly tempted to trash Norton AV in favour
of something more user-friendly and which doesnt slow
down the opening of every damned thing in sight!

Sophos?
McAfee?

Or is there some Norton AV setting which means that it
will only check emails as they come in or something...

And/or maybe the other Anti Virus software are no faster either...?!

Any views?


Ship
Shiperton Heneth

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Yes I had already done all that.

However I just installed the whole thing and re-booted.
And RESULT!

And my computer feels like it is running about 100x faster
that ever!!

Norton was clearly slowing it down massively even
before the latest problem.

However it is no massively unsafe. So I dare not use
emails and I'm going to have to re-download Norton AV 2003
too in order to re-install it. (Wish me luck!)

I am now strongly tempted to trash Norton AV in favour
of something more user-friendly and which doesnt slow
down the opening of every damned thing in sight!

Sophos?
McAfee?

Or is there some Norton AV setting which means that it
will only check emails as they come in or something...

And/or maybe the other Anti Virus software are no faster either...?!

Any views?


Ship
Shiperton Heneth

I've been using Trend's PC-Cillin for years on some 100 PCs,
with no noticeable degradation in performance, and no other
problems either.

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

Yes I had already done all that.

However I just installed the whole thing and re-booted.
And RESULT!

And my computer feels like it is running about 100x faster
that ever!!

Norton was clearly slowing it down massively even
before the latest problem.

However it is no massively unsafe. So I dare not use
emails and I'm going to have to re-download Norton AV 2003
too in order to re-install it. (Wish me luck!)

I am now strongly tempted to trash Norton AV in favour
of something more user-friendly and which doesnt slow
down the opening of every damned thing in sight!

Sophos?
McAfee?

Or is there some Norton AV setting which means that it
will only check emails as they come in or something...

And/or maybe the other Anti Virus software are no faster either...?!

Any views?

NAV 2004.

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

NAV 2004.

The failure of a company to maintain an already
expensive product is an abysmal reason for the
customer to invest in an upgrade of that product.


Ship

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

The failure of a company to maintain an already
expensive product is an abysmal reason for the
customer to invest in an upgrade of that product.

Nothing like white-washing an entire company. Besides, it's likely not
even Symantec's fault.

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[Roy Reed]

Nothing like white-washing an entire company. Besides, it's likely not
even Symantec's fault.

But it does imply that they didn't check what the update would do when it
was applied!

--
Must fly

Roy

www.reeddesign.co.uk

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

But it does imply that they didn't check what the update would do when it
was applied!

No, because the update itself didn't cause anything. That certificate
might have expired 6 months from now, and nothing would have gone
wrong until then. If that had been the case, then it would have been
much harder to blame Symantec.

This is an instance of an ad hoc fallacy, which means it provides a
convenient explanation used for the sole purpose of blaming symantec,
and only in this particular instance. Notice the white-washing
character of the blaming which is used to justify a desire to
completely abandon NAV. And it sounds reasonable enough, providing
a vaguely justifiable rationalization. But many things sound
reasonable before we actually check the facts of the matter rather
than jumping to conclusions.
--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[John]

No, because the update itself didn't cause anything. That certificate
might have expired 6 months from now, and nothing would have gone
wrong until then. If that had been the case, then it would have been
much harder to blame Symantec.

This is an instance of an ad hoc fallacy, which means it provides a
convenient explanation used for the sole purpose of blaming symantec,
and only in this particular instance. Notice the white-washing
character of the blaming which is used to justify a desire to
completely abandon NAV. And it sounds reasonable enough, providing
a vaguely justifiable rationalization. But many things sound
reasonable before we actually check the facts of the matter rather
than jumping to conclusions.
--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

It's all Symantec's fault. They were so slow to react it's unforgivable.

The very first thing they should have done was issue another LiveUpdate
to rollback the problem...

 

[Roy Reed]

No, because the update itself didn't cause anything. That certificate
might have expired 6 months from now, and nothing would have gone
wrong until then. If that had been the case, then it would have been
much harder to blame Symantec.

If it was six months later, I'd agree with you. This certificate must have
been expired when the update was released.

Roy

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

Nothing like white-washing an entire company. Besides, it's likely not
even Symantec's fault.

Is it not Symantec's fault that they
provide no means of directly contacting them?
That they failed to release a roll-back patch?
That they don't look at any of these newsgroups?

If not their fault then pray whose?!

Ship

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

It's all Symantec's fault. They were so slow to react it's unforgivable.

The very first thing they should have done was issue another LiveUpdate
to rollback the problem...

Precisely.

Ship

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

If it was six months later, I'd agree with you. This certificate must have
been expired when the update was released.

They still should have spotted the problem;
and listened to their users.
What about checking the certificate expiry dates
if they are able to cause such problems.

I'll tell you one thing that made my jaw drop.

When I took NAV off my PC, it opened everything
like a rocket! Whole large spreadsheets opening
in less than a quarter of a second.

I now have McAfee and it's slowed up somewhat again
ofcourse but it's still way faster than it ever was
with NAV.


Ship

 

[John John]

I now have McAfee and it's slowed up somewhat again
ofcourse but it's still way faster than it ever was
with NAV.

As if McCrapee doesn't have it's share of problems. Anyway Symantec
repaired it. The fix is:

Solution:
To fix this problem, you must obtain the updated version of Verisign's
Root Certificate Authority. https://getca.verisign.com/

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2004010810205113

John

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

It's all Symantec's fault. They were so slow to react it's unforgivable.

The very first thing they should have done was issue another LiveUpdate
to rollback the problem...

Lol, assuming that would work. Ok, here's a new LiveUpdate because we
want to make it appear like it was all our fault, when we don't even
know what the issue is yet and we're just looking into it and its
still the same day. I wonder how long it takes to prepare LiveUpdate
rollbacks? Is there a special program for this. Is it like the XP
rollback feature? If there is no such thing as a LiveUpdate rollback,
can they code up one quickly, alpha/beta test it, and then send it out
on the very same day? Hell, why not? It's no harder than frying up
hamburgers or something. It doesn't matter that they didn't know what
the problem was as of 1-7 (or 7-1 depending on where you live), they
should still have rolled out the LiveUpdate rollback, whatever that
is.
--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

Is it not Symantec's fault that they
provide no means of directly contacting them?
That they failed to release a roll-back patch?
That they don't look at any of these newsgroups?

If not their fault then pray whose?!

That answer has been provided to you, and free of charge no less. But
I expect you will only continue grousing about it. Thankfully there
aren't very many whiners, maybe one or two.

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

As if McCrapee doesn't have it's share of problems. Anyway Symantec
repaired it. The fix is:

Solution:
To fix this problem, you must obtain the updated version of Verisign's
Root Certificate Authority. https://getca.verisign.com/

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2004010810205113

Thanks, John. That was actually constructive. Instead of just
listening to their customers whine and complain, Symantec comes up
with solutions. It took a couple days but hell they should have sent
out a LIVEUPDATE ROLLBACK and forced every customer to have to
re-update again after coming out with the Verisign fix.

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[HPO Jury = Malenoid]

Precisely.

Yes, force every customer to ROLLBACK their LiveUpdate and then TWO
DAYS LATER when the Verisign fix is available force them all to
install the same Update again. Makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, and about that government conspiracy theory...

--

"Sensations are merely an awareness of the present
and cannot be retained beyond the immediate moment."
Ayn Rand

"Music is the only phenomenon that permits an adult
to experience the process of dealing with pure sense
data. Single musical tones are not percepts, but
pure sensations; they become percepts only when
integrated."

Ayn Rand

 

[Anthony Buckland]

...


I now have McAfee and it's slowed up somewhat again
ofcourse but it's still way faster than it ever was
with NAV.
...

I find such posts interesting because I had the mirror-image
experience: from inception of my current system (vintage 2000,
Win98SE, with McAfee preloaded) I had put up with certain
slowdowns, some of them drastic, which I assumed had to do
with Win98 (yup, I'd still been running Win3.1). Eventually, a
McAfee update totally screwed my system and I tried NAV.
Lo and behold, "way faster" as Shiperton puts it, as Win98SE
and my applications were freed from the McAfee yoke. I
wouldn't go back. If I have eventually to abandon NAV, it
will be to some lesser-used product such as posters have
mentioned in the last few days.