Windows XP Issue (Activation) III

[Leythos]

Well, I was still talking about daygo and his mom and their situation,
that she did paid for the use of XP on her computer.

Exactly, anything to avoid answering a question about the little
programming house doing using the same method as MS, and you abusing them
too.

So, what is it? Is it OK to abuse the license agreement of companies that
can afford the loss in revenue? Who gets to decide how much money a
company can make before it's ok to abuse (I'll call it pirating - taking
something you are not entitled to) the vendor?

 

[kurttrail]

The version of Windows XP that is on daygo's Mom's computer is not
what she paid for - so, which way do you want it - advocating that
it's right to install an unlicensed copy of someone else's XP or that
it's not right?

So what? MS was paid for a copy of XP to run on her computer, and has
suffered no financial loss just because the PID is different.

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[kurttrail]

Exactly, anything to avoid answering a question about the little
programming house doing using the same method as MS, and you abusing
them too.

How? I don't advocate copyright infringement.

So, what is it? Is it OK to abuse the license agreement of companies
that can afford the loss in revenue?

What loss?

Who gets to decide how much
money a company can make before it's ok to abuse (I'll call it
pirating - taking something you are not entitled to) the vendor?

The vender got paid for two copies in daygo's situtuation, and only two
copies are being used. There is no loss to the vendor.

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[Leythos]

So what? MS was paid for a copy of XP to run on her computer, and has
suffered no financial loss just because the PID is different.

I like how you can only see your side of any answer as being valid.

 

[kurttrail]

I like how you can only see your side of any answer as being valid.

What has MS lost? Did they not get paid for the use of two copies of
XP? Are more than two copies being used? Under what reasoning should
MS be paid for the use of three copies of software for use on two
computers. Who is ripping off who in that scenario? Ever hear of
Consumers rights?

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[Leythos]

What has MS lost? Did they not get paid for the use of two copies of
XP?

Sorry, I don't care about the MONEY side of it, never did in reality. I
only care that what he did invalidates the license for the E-Machine and
as such that makes his installation of the ALREADY USED KEY from his
machine also invalid.

Are more than two copies being used? Under what reasoning should
MS be paid for the use of three copies of software for use on two
computers. Who is ripping off who in that scenario? Ever hear of
Consumers rights?

Consumer rights - to violate the terms of the vendors licensing?

How come, as a consumer, he didn't call MS to ask about this situation -
coming here to ask indicates he already knew that what he was doing was in
violation of the EULA?

 

[kurttrail]

Sorry, I don't care about the MONEY side of it, never did in reality.
I only care that what he did invalidates the license for the
E-Machine and as such that makes his installation of the ALREADY USED
KEY from his machine also invalid.

Big whoop-de-do! Since MS has lost nothing of any value, there is no
damage done. A bunch of meaningless numbers don't matter, when MS has
been paid for 2 copies of XP, and XP is only being used on 2 computers.

Remember SCO and IBM! A licencing agreement has not been proven to be
violated just because SCO claims IBM broke it.

Consumer rights - to violate the terms of the vendors licensing?

Yes, to use what they have purchased, a copy of software.

How come, as a consumer, he didn't call MS to ask about this
situation - coming here to ask indicates he already knew that what he
was doing was in violation of the EULA?

MS does not support OEM copies of XP. And his mother had an OEM copy.

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[Leythos]

MS does not support OEM copies of XP. And his mother had an OEM copy.

Yep, keep side-tracking the questions so you don't have to answer them as
typed, all trolls are like that. Did I say anything about his Mothers
copy? I said he could call MS and ask if what he was doing would be
permitted, he's a bright boy, I'm sure he could have explained it with
several options.... MS will answer and authenticate OEM copies, I'm sure
you were already aware of that as you seem to think you already know
everything about activation.

 

[kurttrail]

Yep, keep side-tracking the questions so you don't have to answer
them as typed, all trolls are like that. Did I say anything about his
Mothers copy? I said he could call MS and ask if what he was doing
would be permitted, he's a bright boy, I'm sure he could have
explained it with several options.... MS will answer and authenticate
OEM copies, I'm sure you were already aware of that as you seem to
think you already know everything about activation.

No they won't answer anything about OEM when you call up for support, or
try to get support over the internet. The first thing they ask you for
before answering anything is the PID.

And his problem wasn't with the software, but with the motherboard.

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[Bruce Chambers]

How? I don't advocate copyright infringement.

Your web site certainly does.


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[kurttrail]

Your web site certainly does.

Sue me and legally prove it. Until then, that is just you legally
unsubstantiated claim!

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Bruce;
Not really, since there is nothing of technical relevance or value on that
site.
Obviously the site owner agrees as is evidence by the statement "This is a
Parody!" at the bottom of the page.

Probably place on the page to keep the site legal.
But as honest as the fine print on page 42 of a contract by a less than
honest businessman.

Since the owner does not value the information, no one else should.

 

[kurttrail]

Bruce;
Not really, since there is nothing of technical relevance or value on
that site.
Obviously the site owner agrees as is evidence by the statement "This
is a Parody!" at the bottom of the page.

Probably place on the page to keep the site legal.
But as honest as the fine print on page 42 of a contract by a less
than honest businessman.

Since the owner does not value the information, no one else should.

Actually the Parody statement is for the design of the page, as it was
"fairly used" to critique MS's own web site. I know enough copyright
law to make sure that MS can't sue me for using a graphic. ;-)

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[Frank]

I took a break from text-based USENET a couple of weeks after Bush won
the election. MS got me off my ass by announcing that they are gonna
make Validation mandatory, fullfilling my prophesy that MS wouldn't stop
adding hoops for its paying customers to jump through after implementing
PA, so you can blame them for my second-coming! ;-)

Got a URL for the MS mandatory validation announcement?
Thanks,
Frank

 

[kurttrail]

Got a URL for the MS mandatory validation announcement?
Thanks,
Frank

Not on MS's website, but there has been plenty of press over it, with
security analysts generally saying it's not a very good idea.

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[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

Got a URL for the MS mandatory validation announcement?

Hi

About Genuine Microsoft Software
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/do...53-3759-40cf-80d5-cde4bbe07999&displayLang=en

 

[Leythos]

No they won't answer anything about OEM when you call up for support, or
try to get support over the internet. The first thing they ask you for
before answering anything is the PID.

And his problem wasn't with the software, but with the motherboard.

I've called before, on OEM installs on IBM systems that did not have the
restore CD sets. We had another vendors disks and they provided
authentication for us to use them. The OEM CD's were owned, but we didn't
have access to them at the time. Now, instead of spouting what you THINK
might happen, listen to someone that's been there - in real life.

The simple fact is that the OP didn't want to do things the right way, he
wanted to short-cut it, and you want to defend him for returning a flakey
system with a invalid activation to his Mother.

 

[Guest]

IBM and HP/Compaq both seem to like not to provide disks. With these and some
Dell systems I have worked on if you give MS the key number they will
activate you OEM version of Windows. The OP did it wrong and all of Terry's
and Kurts ranting won't change that. Nor will they change the reality on
product activation, it's there, it's the rule, deal with it.

 

[kurttrail]

I've called before, on OEM installs on IBM systems that did not have
the restore CD sets. We had another vendors disks and they provided
authentication for us to use them. The OEM CD's were owned, but we
didn't have access to them at the time. Now, instead of spouting what
you THINK might happen, listen to someone that's been there - in real
life.

LOL! Did IBM authorize you to use that media? Because by using it, you
probably voided their warranty!

The simple fact is that the OP didn't want to do things the right
way, he wanted to short-cut it, and you want to defend him for
returning a flakey system with a invalid activation to his Mother.

It got her up and running as quick as possible. And how do you know
that the system is flakey? There is a possibility that it may screw up
again, but that's not a definate. How do you know a new motherboard
isn't in the mail?

Stop making sh*t up!

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[Leythos]

LOL! Did IBM authorize you to use that media? Because by using it, you
probably voided their warranty!

Nice of you to make an ass out of your self again - making $hit up. The
non-OEM install of a operating system does not void the warranty on a
computer, it only voids support for the non-OEM software installed. I
would have expected that you already knew this - you try and present that
you're wise in these areas.

After checking with IBM support and MS Activation, we were told that there
would be no issues or problems (since we used the downloaded IBM drivers).

You should get out more and learn about the REAL WORLD and how things like
computers work.