Windows software counterfeiting

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Bobcat

This morning when I booted up my computer a message appeared saying
Windows was counterfeit. It gave a box to click on to correct this and
Windows appeared, seemingly running normally. However an icon on the
task bar then appeared, and read when clicked: "You may be a victim of
software counterfeiting. The Windows XP files seem to be as usual, so I
need advice on what do do, and what the consequences are of running
what appears to be authentic XP, but may not be.
Thanks.
 
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You should contact your software reseller and ask for a genuine copy of
Windows XP. Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?displaylang=en,
click Validate Now button and print the report provided during validation.
It'll give enough information to the reseller about why the validation
process failed.

Please, in the meantime turn on Automatic Updates to make sure your system
is receiving all the latest security updates.

More information about Genuine Advantage Notifications pilot program:

Description of the Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications application
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905474/en-us
 
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Bruce Chambers

Bobcat said:
This morning when I booted up my computer a message appeared saying
Windows was counterfeit.


From who or what application was this message received? It sounds like
some new sort of scam.




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Bobcat

Bruce said:
From who or what application was this message received? It sounds like
some new sort of scam.
Bruce Chambers

Next time I boot up and the message appears I'll try to discover its
source for you. One other thing: I checked my Norton anti-virus status,
and for some reason the worm protection had disconnected. I
re-connected it of course. Possibly something's gotten into the system
in that brief period of time.
 
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kurttrail

Bruce said:
From who or what application was this message received? It sounds
like some new sort of scam.

Does it sound like a scam, Bruce? Then the scammers is Microsoft, and
its newest spyware, the WGA Notification Tool!

Disguised as a critical update, MS cons people into downloading it, just
like any other spyware distributor!

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"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
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Bobcat

kurttrail said:
Does it sound like a scam, Bruce? Then the scammers is Microsoft, and
its newest spyware, the WGA Notification Tool!
Disguised as a critical update, MS cons people into downloading it, just
like any other spyware distributor!
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch

(2nd posting of this) Uh-oh. I was afraid your expertise would swamp me
(easy to do).
Well, I'm no longer getting a "counterfeit" message on booting - I got
rid of it, but an icon still appears that gives that message if I click
on it. And I seem to be getting automatic Windows updates,m now that
I've reset them. So should I just go ahead, business as usual? (I know
what Microsoft reps will say!) Any harm in running on this program,
which seems to work in every respect, and in fact I suspect may be the
genuine article? These alarms might indeed have been a scam, because
none of the options the "Microsoft" links gave me included simply
re-installing Windows from my disc, and most options would cost me
money. Any further thoughts? Thanks for your help.
 
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kurttrail

Bobcat said:
(2nd posting of this) Uh-oh. I was afraid your expertise would swamp
me (easy to do).
Well, I'm no longer getting a "counterfeit" message on booting - I got
rid of it, but an icon still appears that gives that message if I
click on it. And I seem to be getting automatic Windows updates,m now
that I've reset them. So should I just go ahead, business as usual?

As long as everything is running normally.
(I know what Microsoft reps will say!) Any harm in running on this
program, which seems to work in every respect, and in fact I suspect
may be the genuine article? These alarms might indeed have been a
scam, because none of the options the "Microsoft" links gave me
included simply re-installing Windows from my disc, and most options
would cost me money. Any further thoughts? Thanks for your help.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/...s-genuine-advantage-notifications-nag-screen/

The above link should give you a few other options.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
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Bruce Chambers

kurttrail said:
Does it sound like a scam, Bruce?


Well, yes, it does. Based upon the OP's vague description, it sounds
exactly like the kind of pop-ups used to con people into going to bogus
patch web sites, etc.

Then the scammers is Microsoft, and
its newest spyware, the WGA Notification Tool!


Is it? Precisely how did you determine that, based on a description
that was totally lacking in specific detail of any kind? Or is this
accusation just another one of your knee-jerk, hypocritical
anti-Microsoft reactions? You'll notice that I did ask the OP for more
information before reaching a conclusion, unlike you.

Disguised as a critical update, MS cons people into downloading it, just
like any other spyware distributor!


How curious. I certainly haven't been "conned" into downloading
anything I don't want on my computers, either from Microsoft or from
anyone else. But then, I'm not inclined to trust anyone but myself, and
I read the pertinent information and/or EULAs before allowing downloads.
If people are going to voluntarily (by neglecting to practice simple
common sense and due diligence) turn control of their own PCs over to
any amoral corporate entity (Microsoft, AOL, Symantec, or whatever), I'm
inclined to feel that they get what they deserve.


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Bruce Chambers

Bobcat said:
(2nd posting of this) Uh-oh. I was afraid your expertise would swamp me
(easy to do).
Well, I'm no longer getting a "counterfeit" message on booting - I got
rid of it, but an icon still appears that gives that message if I click
on it. And I seem to be getting automatic Windows updates,m now that
I've reset them. So should I just go ahead, business as usual? (I know
what Microsoft reps will say!) Any harm in running on this program,
which seems to work in every respect, and in fact I suspect may be the
genuine article?


Impossible to say, without more information. At the very least,
perform several repeated scans of your system with multiple anti-virus
and anti-spyware applications. If they all come back negative, we'll
still be left with something of a mystery.

Because many of the newer viruses and worms can disable antivirus
applications whose definitions aren't kept up-to-date, try using one or
more of the free on-line scanners to double-check your system.

Trend Micro - Free online virus Scan
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

McAfee Security - FreeScan
http://www.mcafee.com/myapps/mfs/default.asp

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/home.asp

Panda ActiveScan - Free online scanner
http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/com/activescan_principal.htm

Computer Associates:
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx

DialogueScience:
http://www.antivir.ru/english/www_av/

F-Secure:
http://support.f-secure.com/enu/home/ols.shtml

BitDefender
http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/license.php

Freedom Online scanner
http://www.freedom.net/viruscenter/index.html

To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
"spyware," that you've deliberately (but without understanding the
consequences) installed, two products that are quite effective (at
finding and removing this type of scumware) are Ad-Aware from
www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
week or so to clean out cookies, etc.

These alarms might indeed have been a scam, because
none of the options the "Microsoft" links gave me included simply
re-installing Windows from my disc, and most options would cost me
money. Any further thoughts? Thanks for your help.


The fact that most of the "options" were trying to sell you something
(I presume from your posts that an actual license for Windows was not
among the offerings), I'd say that it's very likely to have been a scam
of some sort.



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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



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kurttrail

Bruce said:
Well, yes, it does. Based upon the OP's vague description, it sounds
exactly like the kind of pop-ups used to con people into going to
bogus patch web sites, etc.

Since MS used a scam to trick people into downloading the WGA
Notification Tool, I'd say it is a scam of the largest spyware
distributer in the world, the proven predatory monopoly known as
MICROSOFT!
Is it? Precisely how did you determine that, based on a description
that was totally lacking in specific detail of any kind? Or is this
accusation just another one of your knee-jerk, hypocritical
anti-Microsoft reactions? You'll notice that I did ask the OP for
more information before reaching a conclusion, unlike you.


"You may be a victim of software counterfeiting."

That is an exact quote from the OP's post and the WGA Notification Tool.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474

The only knee that is jerked around here is yours, Bruce. Maybe its
time to grab a beer and chill out.
How curious. I certainly haven't been "conned" into downloading
anything I don't want on my computers, either from Microsoft or from
anyone else.

Bruce, you are not a common computer user. Most people expect that a
stated critical update is really a necessary download to protect their
computer.

MS's critical update scam isn't geared towards those of us that know
better not to download anything we don't need. It is targeted at those
that fall victim to spyware scams.
But then, I'm not inclined to trust anyone but myself,
and I read the pertinent information and/or EULAs before allowing
downloads. If people are going to voluntarily (by neglecting to
practice simple common sense and due diligence) turn control of their
own PCs over to any amoral corporate entity (Microsoft, AOL,
Symantec, or whatever), I'm inclined to feel that they get what they
deserve.

OK Scrooge. But in this interconnected world, we are all in this
together, much more so than ever before.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
Impossible to say, without more information. At the very least,
perform several repeated scans of your system with multiple anti-virus
and anti-spyware applications. If they all come back negative, we'll
still be left with something of a mystery.

Because many of the newer viruses and worms can disable antivirus
applications whose definitions aren't kept up-to-date, try using one
or more of the free on-line scanners to double-check your system.

Trend Micro - Free online virus Scan
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

McAfee Security - FreeScan
http://www.mcafee.com/myapps/mfs/default.asp

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/home.asp

Panda ActiveScan - Free online scanner
http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/com/activescan_principal.htm

Computer Associates:
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx

DialogueScience:
http://www.antivir.ru/english/www_av/

F-Secure:
http://support.f-secure.com/enu/home/ols.shtml

BitDefender
http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/license.php

Freedom Online scanner
http://www.freedom.net/viruscenter/index.html

To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
"spyware," that you've deliberately (but without understanding the
consequences) installed, two products that are quite effective (at
finding and removing this type of scumware) are Ad-Aware from
www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even
possible to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system
against most future intrusions. I use both and generally perform
manual scans every week or so to clean out cookies, etc.




The fact that most of the "options" were trying to sell you something
(I presume from your posts that an actual license for Windows was not
among the offerings), I'd say that it's very likely to have been a
scam of some sort.

It is a Microsoft scam. Wake up and smell the beer!

"You may be a victim of software counterfeiting." -
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
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Bobcat

kurttrail said:
Since MS used a scam to trick people into downloading the WGA
Notification Tool, I'd say it is a scam of the largest spyware
distributer in the world, the proven predatory monopoly known as
MICROSOFT!



"You may be a victim of software counterfeiting."

That is an exact quote from the OP's post and the WGA Notification Tool.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474

The only knee that is jerked around here is yours, Bruce. Maybe its
time to grab a beer and chill out.


Bruce, you are not a common computer user. Most people expect that a
stated critical update is really a necessary download to protect their
computer.

MS's critical update scam isn't geared towards those of us that know
better not to download anything we don't need. It is targeted at those
that fall victim to spyware scams.


OK Scrooge. But in this interconnected world, we are all in this
together, much more so than ever before.
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch

There's a lot of high-tech debate zinging over my head, and I do
appreciate the fact that it's because of my initial post in this
thread. I'm not the most trusting soul when it comes to mega-companies
like Microsoft, so I'm inclined to think I'm pretty safe proceeding as
normal with only the little icon on the task bar to remind me I just
might be running on counterfeit program. It's running, after all. And
if it works, don't fix it. Thanks again for your input. You can go back
to your, er, discussion now if you like, or add anything you haven't
told me before.
Best;
Bobcat
 
K

kurttrail

Bobcat said:
There's a lot of high-tech debate zinging over my head, and I do
appreciate the fact that it's because of my initial post in this
thread. I'm not the most trusting soul when it comes to mega-companies
like Microsoft, so I'm inclined to think I'm pretty safe proceeding as
normal with only the little icon on the task bar to remind me I just
might be running on counterfeit program. It's running, after all. And
if it works, don't fix it. Thanks again for your input. You can go
back to your, er, discussion now if you like, or add anything you
haven't told me before.
Best;
Bobcat

Sorry. Bruce and I have a bit of history between us, and you just got
stuck in the crossfire.

As long as what is happening to you is as described in this link,
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474, then you shouldn't have any
problems.

If you do have problems getting updates, go to
http://microscum.kurttrail.com/postsp2 which lists & links to all the
necessary critical updates to Windows XP since the introduction of
Service Pack 2, and the patch links download directly from Microsoft's
own servers.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
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Bruce Chambers

kurttrail said:
"You may be a victim of software counterfeiting."

That is an exact quote from the OP's post and the WGA Notification Tool.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474

The only knee that is jerked around here is yours, Bruce. Maybe its
time to grab a beer and chill out.


I'll have to concede the points, on this one. But this also goes to
prove the validity of my main contention: You've posted such so much
unsupported and rabid anti-Microsoft drivel in the past that I wouldn't
take your word for it if you were to say the sun "rises" in the east. I
doubt that I'm the only one to filter your posts through the same heavy
layer of skepticism, based on observed behavior.


Bruce, you are not a common computer user.


Aw, shucks....

Most people expect that a
stated critical update is really a necessary download to protect their
computer.


So, why are "most people" so mindlessly gullible?

MS's critical update scam isn't geared towards those of us that know
better not to download anything we don't need. It is targeted at those
that fall victim to spyware scams.


Perhaps so, although I'm sure there'll also be some sort of altruistic
sounding rational for it. What it all boils down to, however, is that
all too many people are too lazy to rely upon themselves, and want a
nanny society where corporations and governments look out for them. And
Microsoft, like any other amoral corporate/government entity, is going
to take full advantage of that tendency.

What I can understand is how anyone could possibly claim to be
surprised or appalled by such a sorry state of affairs; people are
getting exactly what they want.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
 
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Bobcat

kurttrail said:
Sorry. Bruce and I have a bit of history between us, and you just got
stuck in the crossfire.
As long as what is happening to you is as described in this link,
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=905474, then you shouldn't have any
problems.
If you do have problems getting updates, go to
http://microscum.kurttrail.com/postsp2 which lists & links to all the
necessary critical updates to Windows XP since the introduction of
Service Pack 2, and the patch links download directly from Microsoft's
own servers.
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch

Thanks for your concern - but I'm good at ducking under crossfire! My
appreciation again to you and Bruce for talking me through what seemed
to a duffer like a serious problem, but doesn't seem to the case!
Best; Bobcat
 
B

Bruce Chambers

If you do have problems getting updates, go to
http://microscum.kurttrail.com/postsp2 which lists & links to all the
necessary critical updates to Windows XP since the introduction of
Service Pack 2, and the patch links download directly from Microsoft's
own servers.


Just one question, Kurt. Since the links on your page do download
directly from Microsoft, will they allow a "downloader" to by-pass the
admittedly flawed WGA mechanism and get the updates without having to
validate?


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
 
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Bruce Chambers

Bruce said:
What I can understand is how anyone could possibly claim to be
surprised or appalled by such a sorry state of affairs; people are
getting exactly what they want.

Oops! The above should have read, "What I *can't* understand...."


--

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Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
 
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Davy

No telling what MS are putting on the computers with all thes
so-called updates, obviously they'er not doing it for fun

If these are genuine upgrades why are they creating so many problems
you only need to look through XP and MS Office

I prefer to update manually, that way you know what goes on and hav
complete control, problem is these darn things are coming thick an
fast

Wonder how many patches Vista will need..

Dav
 
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kurttrail

Bruce said:
I'll have to concede the points, on this one.

Although it might SEEM like it, I'm really not playing a game, and
counting points.
But this also goes to
prove the validity of my main contention: You've posted such so much
unsupported and rabid anti-Microsoft drivel in the past that I
wouldn't take your word for it if you were to say the sun "rises" in
the east.

Well, I know a few people that would say the same thing about MVPs,
about being pro-MS, though that wouldn't be true either.

I'm probably more respected in this group, than you are willing to let
yourself to believe, and I understand why, as I've been rather hard on
you in the past. But if you really read most of my posts, you'll see
I'm very well thought out, even to the point where I try to explain that
MS's copy-protection is bad not only for consumers, but for stockholders
too.
I doubt that I'm the only one to filter your posts through
the same heavy layer of skepticism, based on observed behavior.

I'm sure you're not. But most of them are those that judge the book by
its cover, and not by the content of the book. I believe that is a
minority of the regulars around here, even amongst your fellow MVPs.
Aw, shucks....

And I mean it too. People like you and me know better than installing
anything before knowing as much as possible about it. Most average
computer users don't, and especially when it comes from a seemingly
trustworthy source as a major corporation.
So, why are "most people" so mindlessly gullible?

Because innately, people are trusting. The human capacity to trust is a
double-edged sword. Yep, trust tends to be eventually rewarded with
being suckered, but imagine a world where it is human nature not to be
trusting. Where everyone's natural reaction is to see the worst in
everything.

Yeah, I'm a hypocrite, and a natural skeptic, but I'm not so
hypocritical and skeptical to be blind to the beauty in the human
capacity for trusting.
Perhaps so, although I'm sure there'll also be some sort of altruistic
sounding rational for it. What it all boils down to, however, is that
all too many people are too lazy to rely upon themselves, and want a
nanny society where corporations and governments look out for them.
And Microsoft, like any other amoral corporate/government entity, is
going to take full advantage of that tendency.

If they are gonna act like a spyware distributor, then they need to be
treated like one too. And only through people speaking out about this
will people learn to not just blindly trust MS, and to see them for what
they really are, the largest distributor of spyware in the world.

I know you have voiced your displeasure about WGA in the past, for its
false positives, but this latest incarnation of WGA goes way beyond the
bounds. And as I've been saying along, the behavior modification
technology tools of the recent past isn't all that much of a big deal,
it is what they will become that is the real worry.

In a decade from now, imagine the hoops it will take to run a Windows
OS, modeled on what has developed over the last five or so years, since
PA was first introduced to the masses. Now extend that to a 1/4
century. It doesn't take a rabid anti-MS person to see where all this
stuff is heading.

No one that believes in personal freedom is likely to see any real good
that will come from any of these behavior modification technologies.
What I can understand is how anyone could possibly claim to be
surprised or appalled by such a sorry state of affairs; people are
getting exactly what they want.

No they aren't. Nobody wants any unnecessary hassles while computing.
Not you, and not me, and especially not the average user. They are only
getting what MS wants, as MS knows that most people are too busy and/or
too lazy and/or ignorant to notice.

The worst part is that MS was finally starting to get through to people
about the need of patching their OSs, which was a good thing, as a vast
majority were not doing it. But with the recent bad patch, and now the
WGA Notification spyware scam, MS is gonna get people so confused as to
what they should do, that they'll go back to not doing anything at all.
<sarcasm>Just what we need more computers on the global net that are
ripe for being taken over as zombies!</sarcasm>

One final note. Yeah, I'm a character, and I rub some people the wrong
way, but I'm trying to be entertaining too. I am passionate about
trying to educate people about how using technology to limit human
behavior is a major long-term threat to personal freedom, but I try to
do it with all good humor, rather than be preacher all the time, preying
on people's fears, or just boring them to death with the same old song
and dance. I acknowledge and accept that a some people are gonna not
like me for my manner of presentation. That's why we need as many
different voices speaking out as possible, as often as possible, as no
one can speak to all people all the time.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
Just one question, Kurt. Since the links on your page do download
directly from Microsoft, will they allow a "downloader" to by-pass the
admittedly flawed WGA mechanism and get the updates without having to
validate?

For the time being yes.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 

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