Windows Mail Slowing down over past 2 days

[...winston]

After using the 'weird's Calendar open/close, I don't see the 'mark as read' delay. Not any different than in prior OE use. I use the keyboard shortcut, the tool bar message read buttons, or catchup.


: It is quite amazing that opening Windows Calendar and then
: closing it actually helps, but it does... at least, with compose/reply
: windows. I am thankful that Winston first told me about this last
: week, and I still can't figure out why it makes a difference for some
: users. However, it still takes two to three days to "mark all as read",
: even if it's just a few messages. This mainly happens in newsgroups
: with a lot of downloaded posts.
:
: I'm glad Winton's trick has helped you, too.
:
: -Michael
:
: : > Well,I don't run Antivirus software as it causes more problems than I have
: > ever had with viruses,luckily i have never had a virus that I didnt
: > intentionally install just to see what it did to be a wise guy
: >
: > Actually,I opened and exited the calendar like the previous post said and
: > that seems to have fixed it for now.We will see though.
: >
: > "Steve Cochran" wrote:
: >
: >> Disable email scanning in your antivirus software. See
: >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
: >>
: >> If that is not the issue, then try compacting and if needed repairing the
: >> database with my WMUtil program. www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/
: >>
: >> steve
: >>
: >> : >> > Howdy all
: >> > Over the past 2 days Windows Mail on Vista Business for me has become
: >> > extremely slow and pokey.Just to click from one message to read another
: >> > takes
: >> > appx 5 seconds.This never happened to me before and has only started since
: >> > saturday or sunday.I never had speed problems before with mail,I thought
: >> > it
: >> > was as fast as xp outlook express mostly. No new software installs for
: >> > me,everything is the same as its been for weeks. I did DL a new junk mail
: >> > update from MS on saturday but thats it.
: >> >
: >>
:

 

[...winston]

That's the mystery Rob..

Nothing was changed here beyond the routine changes that happen for most(avast, defender etc definition updates). The delay in my case appeared about two weeks ago.
I've disabled all Avast functions and Defender to rule those out..even completely uninstalled AV, turned the firewall off, etc..to rule out possible causes. You'd think something would be evident as the cause...nada.

..winston

: Well I thought it was fixed.The calendar thing still works,but i have to open
: calendar and exit it each time i run windows mail which is kind of a pain.
: Can anyone tell me what changed over the past couple of days to cause
: calendar to have problems? I mean mail was really as fast as OE before this
: past weekend and I didn't change anything on the system,I don't use it for
: newsgroups and the most messages I have at any one time in any of the mail
: folders is like 4 or 5.
:
: "Steve Cochran" wrote:
:
: > That's a very strange fix, but I'm glad it worked.
: >
: > steve
: >
: > : > > Well,I don't run Antivirus software as it causes more problems than I have
: > > ever had with viruses,luckily i have never had a virus that I didnt
: > > intentionally install just to see what it did to be a wise guy
: > >
: > > Actually,I opened and exited the calendar like the previous post said and
: > > that seems to have fixed it for now.We will see though.
: > >
: > > "Steve Cochran" wrote:
: > >
: > >> Disable email scanning in your antivirus software. See
: > >> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
: > >>
: > >> If that is not the issue, then try compacting and if needed repairing the
: > >> database with my WMUtil program. www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/
: > >>
: > >> steve
: > >>
: > >> : > >> > Howdy all
: > >> > Over the past 2 days Windows Mail on Vista Business for me has become
: > >> > extremely slow and pokey.Just to click from one message to read another
: > >> > takes
: > >> > appx 5 seconds.This never happened to me before and has only started
: > >> > since
: > >> > saturday or sunday.I never had speed problems before with mail,I
: > >> > thought
: > >> > it
: > >> > was as fast as xp outlook express mostly. No new software installs for
: > >> > me,everything is the same as its been for weeks. I did DL a new junk
: > >> > mail
: > >> > update from MS on saturday but thats it.
: > >> >
: > >>
: >

 

[Steve Cochran]

Oh well. <G>

steve

Yes, I've tried that. No difference.
Thanks, though.


-Michael

 

[Mickey Segal]

Is the problem related to using Calendar? I've never even opened it and
never seen the slowing problem.

Yes...Rob, it is not a permanent fix.(Calendar has to be opened on each
instance of opening Windows Mail). It remains intact until Windows Mail is
closed.
Why this works is still a mystery.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

The slowing problem appears to be rare. I've never experienced it
on three different Vista computers.

Gary VanderMolen

 

[...winston]

This 'bizarre weirdness' as its been labeled remains a mystery on the relationship between the two(mail and calendar)

Maybe more will become available..who knows it could be a unique situation common to a piece of hardware or software.

As you have proven, it is not universal machine to machine. As far as this end. Two machines so far:
Both are Micron.
Vista Ultimate RTM 6000, Vista Pre-Release 5840
Both have 2GB RAM
One has an Nvidia Geforce 7900, the other Geforce 6200
Both Pentium 4(3.2 Ghz, 3.0Ghz) with Avast AV, Office 2007, Acronis True Image and Disk Director, Sun Java JRE6 and Windows Mail Compact Tool. Identical Sony DVD-RW drives, identical external USB WD same model/capacity drives, identical MX700 usb logitech mouse, and microsoft ps2 multimedia kb.

Networked(hard cable lan 1 and lan2) to a dlink di-624 wireless router and motorola surfboard cable modem(wan), and networked hp printer.

No other differences than noted save the RTM is installed in a dual boot with XP Pro.


Feel like guessing? ...I gave up..just suggesting the possible fix when appropriate.

...winston



: Is the problem related to using Calendar? I've never even opened it and
: never seen the slowing problem.
:
: : Yes...Rob, it is not a permanent fix.(Calendar has to be opened on each
: instance of opening Windows Mail). It remains intact until Windows Mail is
: closed.
: Why this works is still a mystery.
:

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Any possibility it could be caused by your Avast AV?
I'm not using Avast.

Gary VanderMolen

This 'bizarre weirdness' as its been labeled remains a mystery on the relationship between the two(mail and calendar)

Maybe more will become available..who knows it could be a unique situation common to a piece of hardware or software.

As you have proven, it is not universal machine to machine. As far as this end. Two machines so far:
Both are Micron.
Vista Ultimate RTM 6000, Vista Pre-Release 5840
Both have 2GB RAM
One has an Nvidia Geforce 7900, the other Geforce 6200
Both Pentium 4(3.2 Ghz, 3.0Ghz) with Avast AV, Office 2007, Acronis True Image and Disk Director, Sun Java JRE6 and Windows Mail
Compact Tool. Identical Sony DVD-RW drives, identical external USB WD same model/capacity drives, identical MX700 usb logitech
mouse, and microsoft ps2 multimedia kb.

Networked(hard cable lan 1 and lan2) to a dlink di-624 wireless router and motorola surfboard cable modem(wan), and networked hp
printer.

No other differences than noted save the RTM is installed in a dual boot with XP Pro.


Feel like guessing? ...I gave up..just suggesting the possible fix when appropriate.

...winston



: Is the problem related to using Calendar? I've never even opened it and
: never seen the slowing problem.
:
: : Yes...Rob, it is not a permanent fix.(Calendar has to be opened on each
: instance of opening Windows Mail). It remains intact until Windows Mail is
: closed.
: Why this works is still a mystery.
:

 

[MICHAEL]

I believe Winston, myself, and others who are experiencing
these similar problems that are "cured" by opening and closing
Windows Calendar, have eliminated an AV as the culprit. An AV
may be the cause for some users, but not for us.

I don't mean to sound rude, Gary, but as I have said numerous
times- I have tried all the suggested things. I've been using Vista
since June. I'm not an "average" user, and from reading Winston's
posts, he seems quite knowledgeable, too. My point- an AV being the
issue was the first thing I checked into. I'm sure Winston did the same.
Obviously, you are just trying to help. However, it should be clear from
our posts, we've jumped through all those hoops already.

More than anything else, it's just aggravating that such a pitiful
product was released. Vista has been in development for so
many years, and when you upgrade, things are supposed to
be better. As of right now, Windows Mail is *not* better than
Outlook Express. I feel the neglect is intentional, as the development
team has spent most of their time on WLMD. Perhaps, an attempt
to push users towards that adware crap.

I am using NOD32, by the way.


Take care,

Michael

 

[Steve Cochran]

Bugs such as this are very hard to reproduce and consequently fix. But
there are several others that could be fixed, if effort were put into it.

Your second last paragraph hits the nail on the head.

steve

 

[MICHAEL]

I'm really not a Microsoft basher... I'm just a bit underwhelmed by
Vista and I am amazed that Windows Mail was released in such
poor condition. Yes, I use Vista full-time now and I think it's as good
as XP. But, it should be more than "as good as XP". The real "wow"
was going from Win98 to XP. Yes, there were problems then, too.
But, going from 98 to XP was moving to an entirely new code base,
and when the masses make such a move, there's going to be problems.
All of us can look back and say, it sure as hell was worth it.
Moving from XP to Vista is not the same. It's not like Vista's code
base is brand new, it's not. So, after all these years in development,
being born from the solid code base that is Windows 2003 Server, and
"$6 billion" later- we have an OS that is "as good as XP" and a mail client
that absolutely blows. After the "unprecedented" beta testing that went into
Vista- I feel like we are still beta testing. Vista should be better than it is.
Microsoft has so much talent, so many resources... I find it hard to believe
this is the best they could do.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110256.asp
On the time and money it took to develop Windows Vista: "Best $6 billion I ever spent. You
don't need to feel bad for us in terms of the profitability of the Windows business. Did we
learn? Yes. … It's pretty exciting to see how the things we learned will let us do even
better."

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/30/it-s-here.aspx

"Thank you to everyone in the community (more than 5M testers) who contributed to making this
the best OS we've ever released!" -Nick White

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w.../windows-vista-releases-to-manufacturing.aspx

"You gave us unprecedented support in testing and providing your feedback while we designed,
developed and refined Windows Vista -- so much so that it has in many ways become a reflection
of your involvement." -Nick White

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/technology/09vista.html?ex=1176091200&en=a0b40cbc6e30e7fb&ei=5070

The test data from the second beta release of Vista alone generated 5.5 petabytes of
information — the equivalent of the storage capacity of 690,000 home PC’s.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista

Development of Windows Vista

 

[...winston]

It was actually my first suspicion. Removing Avast, disabling Windows Defender and Windows Firewall had no impact. Even went so far to try it with and without Avast's email scanner installed- no impact.

I thought I had it solved after a complete clean install with nothing else installed but Vista default apps. For about a week it was fine...then reappeared. So I repeated the clean install(via an image restore) and ran for about a week and half without Windows Defender and the Windows firewall, and then it reappeared again.

Restored the image again and contrary to all security, I ran for a few days(my max comfort zone) without the router, defender,av, or firewall but directly connected to the cable modem..no change.

Restored my image with all my software and preferred settings then reported it here once someone else had a similar issue.

Since I hate unknowns, recently modified the search index to not include any of the default settings(offline files, user folder, start menu)....no impact or change.

Lol..there aren't too many items remaining to disable. What's clear is there is a relationship to time of use before it occurs after a clean install and the odd impact that Windows Calendar has on alleviating the issue.


...winston




: Any possibility it could be caused by your Avast AV?
: I'm not using Avast.
:
: Gary VanderMolen
:
: This 'bizarre weirdness' as its been labeled remains a mystery on the relationship between the two(mail and calendar)
:
: Maybe more will become available..who knows it could be a unique situation common to a piece of hardware or software.
:
: As you have proven, it is not universal machine to machine. As far as this end. Two machines so far:
: Both are Micron.
: Vista Ultimate RTM 6000, Vista Pre-Release 5840
: Both have 2GB RAM
: One has an Nvidia Geforce 7900, the other Geforce 6200
: Both Pentium 4(3.2 Ghz, 3.0Ghz) with Avast AV, Office 2007, Acronis True Image and Disk Director, Sun Java JRE6 and Windows Mail
: Compact Tool. Identical Sony DVD-RW drives, identical external USB WD same model/capacity drives, identical MX700 usb logitech
: mouse, and microsoft ps2 multimedia kb.
:
: Networked(hard cable lan 1 and lan2) to a dlink di-624 wireless router and motorola surfboard cable modem(wan), and networked hp
: printer.
:
: No other differences than noted save the RTM is installed in a dual boot with XP Pro.
:
:
: Feel like guessing? ...I gave up..just suggesting the possible fix when appropriate.
:
: ...winston
:
:
:
:: Is the problem related to using Calendar? I've never even opened it and
:: never seen the slowing problem.
::
:: :: Yes...Rob, it is not a permanent fix.(Calendar has to be opened on each
:: instance of opening Windows Mail). It remains intact until Windows Mail is
:: closed.
:: Why this works is still a mystery.
::
:

 

[MICHAEL]

It's also weird, that before you pointed out the Windows Calendar
"fix", having Windows Mail opened for a period of time, also
alleviated many of the issues I was experiencing. Anywhere
from 30 minutes to an hour seemed to "fix" things. I'm not sure
if it was strictly a time thing or just using it "fixed" it. So, I just
started leaving it open. Even putting my computer to sleep with
WinMail opened. It stayed "fixed" even after waking my computer.
Since I use Outlook's Calendar, I rarely even opened Windows Calendar,
maybe once or twice. Of course, I open it a lot now.


-Michael

It was actually my first suspicion. Removing Avast, disabling Windows Defender and Windows
Firewall had no impact. Even went so far to try it with and without Avast's email scanner
installed- no impact.

I thought I had it solved after a complete clean install with nothing else installed but Vista
default apps. For about a week it was fine...then reappeared. So I repeated the clean
install(via an image restore) and ran for about a week and half without Windows Defender and
the Windows firewall, and then it reappeared again.

Restored the image again and contrary to all security, I ran for a few days(my max comfort
zone) without the router, defender,av, or firewall but directly connected to the cable
modem..no change.

Restored my image with all my software and preferred settings then reported it here once
someone else had a similar issue.

Since I hate unknowns, recently modified the search index to not include any of the default
settings(offline files, user folder, start menu)....no impact or change.

Lol..there aren't too many items remaining to disable. What's clear is there is a relationship
to time of use before it occurs after a clean install and the odd impact that Windows Calendar
has on alleviating the issue.


...winston




: Any possibility it could be caused by your Avast AV?
: I'm not using Avast.
:
: Gary VanderMolen
:
: This 'bizarre weirdness' as its been labeled remains a mystery on the relationship between
the two(mail and calendar)
:
: Maybe more will become available..who knows it could be a unique situation common to a piece
of hardware or software.
:
: As you have proven, it is not universal machine to machine. As far as this end. Two machines
so far:
: Both are Micron.
: Vista Ultimate RTM 6000, Vista Pre-Release 5840
: Both have 2GB RAM
: One has an Nvidia Geforce 7900, the other Geforce 6200
: Both Pentium 4(3.2 Ghz, 3.0Ghz) with Avast AV, Office 2007, Acronis True Image and Disk
Director, Sun Java JRE6 and Windows Mail
: Compact Tool. Identical Sony DVD-RW drives, identical external USB WD same model/capacity
drives, identical MX700 usb logitech
: mouse, and microsoft ps2 multimedia kb.
:
: Networked(hard cable lan 1 and lan2) to a dlink di-624 wireless router and motorola
surfboard cable modem(wan), and networked hp
: printer.
:
: No other differences than noted save the RTM is installed in a dual boot with XP Pro.
:
:
: Feel like guessing? ...I gave up..just suggesting the possible fix when appropriate.
:
: ...winston
:
:
:
:: Is the problem related to using Calendar? I've never even opened it and
:: never seen the slowing problem.
::
:: :: Yes...Rob, it is not a permanent fix.(Calendar has to be opened on each
:: instance of opening Windows Mail). It remains intact until Windows Mail is
:: closed.
:: Why this works is still a mystery.
::
: