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[Jordon]

You might wonder what OS I'm using on this box. Just because I'm using a
Windows newsreader (see headers) does not mean that the OS behind it is
any flavor of Windows. (40tude Dialog is my only Windows software.)

I took a peak. What in the hell is...

X-WebTV-Stationary: Standard; BGColor=green; TextColor=red

Is WebTV still around? And red text on a green background?

 

[freemont]

I took a peak. What in the hell is...

You took a "peek". ;-)

X-WebTV-Stationary: Standard; BGColor=green; TextColor=red

Is WebTV still around? And red text on a green background?

Methinks BTS is just having fun with moronic WebTV users, much as the
late BtS did, although I do bleeb BtS actually set red text on a red
background.

If only there were a way to similarly handicap Google Groupers.

 

[walter]

I'll say that the stats at w3schools are skewed towards technical
people, as it is not a common site for the common man.

Really? I was under the impression the stats gathered there where from
"hits" to websites around the world.

That said, 5%
may be about right - at that site. Other sites claim about 1%.

Either way, "snuhwolf's" statemenet about Linux being "so popular" is
ridiculous.

However, there is no real way to accurately count Linux users as there
is no license to buy and record. You can download one .iso file, burn
one (or thousands of) CDs and install thousands of copies from that.

Are website trackers THAT unreliable? IF so? Why do they exist?

And since most stats come from web site analyzing of the browser User
Agent string, remember that those can be forged. Many do, because
sites sometimes tell you that you "need Internet Explorer" to use the
site.

Why would a linux user alter the "string" to make it look like he or she is
using another OS?

I wonder what they do with my UA string:
Borgzilla/31.0 (Resistance is futile)

You might wonder what OS I'm using on this box. Just because I'm
using a Windows newsreader (see headers) does not mean that the OS
behind it is any flavor of Windows. (40tude Dialog is my only
Windows software.)

No need to get that far into it.

Use what ya wanna use. I don't care if you run Windows, Mac, Linux or BEOS.
Doesn't affect my life one way or another.

Too bad "advocates" on both sides don't see it that way, eh?

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

When I tried it [Linux] a couple of years ago, it didn't have the
right driver for my printer, or my modem, or my graphics card.

That's because in the beginning you chose to buy hardware whose drivers
were designed for a preinstalled MS OS and then you attempted to impose on
that hardware a non-MS OS without getting adequate help from others who
were familiar with how to solve the problem.

Which puts me in the category of most Windows users who decide to
try Linux. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I go back to the tried
and true solution. Unfortunately, knowledgeable Linux help is still a
fairly scarce commodity. If Linux is to succeed, it must include drivers
for everything that Windows includes drivers for.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

And since most stats come from web site analyzing of the browser User
Agent string, remember that those can be forged. Many do, because sites
sometimes tell you that you "need Internet Explorer" to use the site.

I wonder what they do with my UA string:
Borgzilla/31.0 (Resistance is futile)

You'd fall into the "Other" category" which statistically is insignificant.
In most cases the UA string reveals the OS as well as the browser being used.

 

[walter]

When I tried it [Linux] a couple of years ago, it didn't have the
right driver for my printer, or my modem, or my graphics card.

That's because in the beginning you chose to buy hardware whose
drivers were designed for a preinstalled MS OS and then you
attempted to impose on that hardware a non-MS OS without getting
adequate help from others who were familiar with how to solve the
problem.

Which puts me in the category of most Windows users who decide to
try Linux. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I go back to the
tried
and true solution. Unfortunately, knowledgeable Linux help is still a
fairly scarce commodity. If Linux is to succeed, it must include
drivers
for everything that Windows includes drivers for.

Not only that, the Linux community needs to get together and form some kind
of "BASIC" standard.

As it is right now, Linux is pretty-much haphazard with all the different
distros.

That's the "problem with "open source" stuff.

Some will work "out of the box" on your PC, but others won't no matter HOW
hard you try.

Been there. Done that. Waste of Time (IMO)

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Jordon writ:

You took a "peek". ;-)

Ah! Another one to add to my page:
http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php

There is an occasional post from WebTV users in the groups I read. Rare,
but they are still out there.

Methinks BTS is just having fun with moronic WebTV users, much as the
late BtS did, although I do bleeb BtS actually set red text on a red
background.

Yep, Blinky showed no mercy; red on red. I at least give them a fighting
chance. (Oddly, none of them have ever mentioned it in a reply; maybe
they don't bother to read it.)

If only there were a way to similarly handicap Google Groupers.

Well, so far we can't annoy them, but I mark 'em.
!setcolor(default;$c0ffc0) Message-ID +googlegroups

 

[Aardvark]

Why would a linux user alter the "string" to make it look like he or she
is using another OS?

The same reason a user of any other OS would.

 

[Aardvark]

Unfortunately, knowledgeable Linux help is still a fairly scarce
commodity.

Hey.You're kidding,right?????

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Really? I was under the impression the stats gathered there where
from "hits" to websites around the world.

From their stats page, just above the grid:
"Statistics are important information. From the statistics below,
collected from _W3Schools'_log-files_ over a period of five years, ..."
[emphasis mine]

Either way, "snuhwolf's" statemenet about Linux being "so popular" is
ridiculous.

It's catching on. Conficker is helping.

Are website trackers THAT unreliable?

Sometimes I set my browser's UA string to:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
so I can view the page. Therefore, I get counted as a Windows and IE
user.

In fact, just yesterday I was assisting someone in fixing a web stat
counter's invalid JavaScript code, and had access to her stats page. It
was a new page, and there were only us two visitors so far, she on XP
and me on "Linux". As I tested, I changed my UA string to the IE6 above,
and poof! I was counted as Windows and Internet Explorer.

IF so? Why do they exist?

Somebody needs jobs in this economic downturn? ;-) Ask in a webmaster
or HTML group about how accurate web stats are.

Why would a linux user alter the "string" to make it look like he or
she is using another OS?

To bypass clueless web authors...

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

As it is right now, Linux is pretty-much haphazard with all the
different distros.

That's the "problem with "open source" stuff.

It's all about freedom of choice.

 

[William Poaster]

Really? I was under the impression the stats gathered there where from
"hits" to websites around the world.


Either way, "snuhwolf's" statemenet about Linux being "so popular" is
ridiculous.

Really? Well as it was a ridiculous statement, that would be why Ballmer
declared Linux as the Number One Threat to M$. It would also account for
why M$ have hired a Director of Open Source Desktop Strategy to
fight Linux on the *desktop*. "A strong team member to lead Microsoft’s
global desktop competitive strategy as it relates to open source competitors.â€
M$ also blamed its recent financial shortfall & subsequent layoffs
of 5,000 employees partly on the success of netbooks. Take a wild guess
which OS the majority of Netbooks run.

Are website trackers THAT unreliable? IF so? Why do they exist?

Google gave up on website stats *years* ago as they were unreliable.

Why would a linux user alter the "string" to make it look like he or she
is using another OS?

Probably because the website was built by an idiot, & it demands that IE
should be used.

 

[William Poaster]

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

When I tried it [Linux] a couple of years ago, it didn't have the
right driver for my printer, or my modem, or my graphics card.

That's because in the beginning you chose to buy hardware whose drivers
were designed for a preinstalled MS OS and then you attempted to impose
on that hardware a non-MS OS without getting adequate help from others
who were familiar with how to solve the problem.

Which puts me in the category of most Windows users who decide to try
Linux. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I go back to the tried
and true solution. Unfortunately, knowledgeable Linux help is still a
fairly scarce commodity. If Linux is to succeed, it must include drivers
for everything that Windows includes drivers for.

Not only that, the Linux community needs to get together and form some
kind of "BASIC" standard.

As it is right now, Linux is pretty-much haphazard with all the different
distros.

That's the "problem with "open source" stuff.

Some will work "out of the box" on your PC, but others won't no matter HOW
hard you try.

Been there. Done that. Waste of Time (IMO)

What a load of bollocks.

 

[William Poaster]

Hey.You're kidding,right?????

Looks like another windoze user showing off their ignorance. ;-)

 

[thanatoid]

When I tried it [Linux] a couple of years ago, it didn't
have the right driver for my printer, or my modem, or my
graphics card.

That's because in the beginning you chose to buy hardware
whose drivers
were designed for a preinstalled MS OS and then you
attempted to impose on
that hardware a non-MS OS without getting adequate help
from others who
were familiar with how to solve the problem.

Which puts me in the category of most Windows users who
decide to try Linux. If it doesn't work right out of the
box, I go back to the tried and true solution.
Unfortunately, knowledgeable Linux help is still a fairly
scarce commodity. If Linux is to succeed, it must include
drivers for everything that Windows includes drivers for.

I have yet to try Linux - Windows doesn't exactly work "out of
the box" - at least not the way that doesn't drive an
intelligent person nuts - but it is what I learnod on and
continue to use 98SE(Lite). With NO OTHER MS software installed
- the buggy OS is enough suffering for me.

Nonetheless, I HAVE read that when stupid Vista came out, there
were more Linux drivers available for then-currently-available
hardware then written for Vista for the same hardware.

And that is a trend which will continue.

I have my reservations about Open Source as well, but Linux
wouldn't be growing in popularity if it was as bad as some
/totally unusable/ Open Source software.

 

[freemont]

Ah! Another one to add to my page:
http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php

Another one that I always see in any thread about monitor setups:

dual | duel

"I have a duel monitor setup."

On imagines a pair of 22" Acers facing off with pistols at dawn.

 

[thanatoid]

Another one that I always see in any thread about monitor
setups:

dual | duel

"I have a duel monitor setup."

On imagines a pair of 22" Acers facing off with pistols at
dawn.

"On imagines" ???
;-#

You gotta proofread VERY carefully when complaining about
spelling!

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

"On imagines" ???
;-#

You gotta proofread VERY carefully when complaining about
spelling!

Are you jest trying to waist my time?

 

[Aardvark]

Ah! Another one to add to my page:
http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php

What about those idiots who say 'then' instead of 'than'?

 

[M.L.]

Sometimes I set my browser's UA string to:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
so I can view the page. Therefore, I get counted as a Windows and IE
user.

In fact, just yesterday I was assisting someone in fixing a web stat
counter's invalid JavaScript code, and had access to her stats page. It
was a new page, and there were only us two visitors so far, she on XP
and me on "Linux". As I tested, I changed my UA string to the IE6 above,
and poof! I was counted as Windows and Internet Explorer.

Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make. Websites that want
your Linux statistic will be friendly to your Linux browser. The
unfriendly sites probably don't want your Linux statistic and are
unlikely to be publishing statistics on OS usage. In any case, I think
your spoofing creates a statistical anomaly far too insignificant to
matter anyway.