windows mail and the dreaded top posting

[=?iso-8859-2?Q?Maciej_So=B3tysiak?=]

Hi,

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without top
posting
but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when I
reply
to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

Any ideas?
I wish windows mail had conformed to this sort-of-a-standard and stop making
people
top post all the time.

 

[dev]

/Maciej Sołtysiak/ said:

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without top
posting but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when I
reply to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

Any ideas?
I wish windows mail had conformed to this sort-of-a-standard and stop making
people top post all the time.

Try TOOLS|OPTIONS|ADVANCED tab.

"Compose reply at bottom of message"

Also, try not pressing the <return> key to start new lines, but instead
let word wrap do it. MAY make for a cleaner presentation. You might
also experiment with your character encoding setting.

 

[John C. Iliff]

Hi

I'm just the opposite...I've already read the post, and don't need to see it
again, but for those that insist on 'repeating' the post and all of the
replies, I'd just as soon open a response and see that...WITHOUT all the
posts! I'm not too sure about the 'sort-of-a-standard'...and If I could
change it, I would!

John

 

[Rick Rogers]

It was once a usenet standard, it no longer is (contrary to the popular
arguments). I commonly top post or in-line post because it simply makes more
sense. If you read a post and go to the response, why should you have to
reread it or scan through that which you've already read to get to the next
segment? It'd be like turning to the next chapter in a book and being forced
to first reread the chapter you just finished. Bottom posting makes sense
when one reads only the final post in a thread via an archive, but that's
not what most people do, most follow it while it's in progress.

As dev has told you, you can now set Winmail to bottom post by simply
selecting that option in the advanced section, just like in knode.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Steve Cochran]

It was once a usenet standard, it no longer is (contrary to the popular
arguments). I commonly top post or in-line post because it simply makes more
sense. If you read a post and go to the response, why should you have to
reread it or scan through that which you've already read to get to the next
segment? It'd be like turning to the next chapter in a book and being forced
to first reread the chapter you just finished. Bottom posting makes sense
when one reads only the final post in a thread via an archive, but that's
not what most people do, most follow it while it's in progress.

As dev has told you, you can now set Winmail to bottom post by simply
selecting that option in the advanced section, just like in knode.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Side posting also is nice sometimes. Especially when people complain a lot about top posting. <G>

steve

 

[Jeff]

lol-suhweet-colors too
Jeff

It was once a usenet standard, it no longer is (contrary to the popular
arguments). I commonly top post or in-line post because it simply makes more
sense. If you read a post and go to the response, why should you have to
reread it or scan through that which you've already read to get to the next
segment? It'd be like turning to the next chapter in a book and being forced
to first reread the chapter you just finished. Bottom posting makes sense
when one reads only the final post in a thread via an archive, but that's
not what most people do, most follow it while it's in progress.

As dev has told you, you can now set Winmail to bottom post by simply
selecting that option in the advanced section, just like in knode.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org


Side posting also is nice sometimes. Especially when people complain a lot about top posting. <G>

steve

 

[Jack]

Top posting is the way to go!
How many times you want to read quoted text, when browsing through replies?
Jacek

 

[William]

What is your problem with top posting? I prefer top posting because I do not want to have to wade through all the crap that I have read a dozen times just to get to the reply. Top posting is best.


Hi,

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without top
posting
but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when I
reply
to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

Any ideas?
I wish windows mail had conformed to this sort-of-a-standard and stop making
people
top post all the time.

 

[DCR]

Oh yeah, TOP posting is best. If not interested can go on to next post with arrow key. Don't have to take my hands off the keyboard and fool with the scroll bar. I've always considered bottom posting kind of rude.
What is your problem with top posting? I prefer top posting because I do not want to have to wade through all the crap that I have read a dozen times just to get to the reply. Top posting is best.


Hi,

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without top
posting
but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when I
reply
to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

Any ideas?
I wish windows mail had conformed to this sort-of-a-standard and stop making
people
top post all the time.

 

[CMShepard]

If you will open mail and select Tools and Options and Advanced, you will
see a place where
you can tell mail to reply at the bottom. Whether it works or not is for you
to discover.

Oh yeah, TOP posting is best. If not interested can go on to next post with
arrow key. Don't have to take my hands off the keyboard and fool with the
scroll bar. I've always considered bottom posting kind of rude.
What is your problem with top posting? I prefer top posting because I do not
want to have to wade through all the crap that I have read a dozen times
just to get to the reply. Top posting is best.


Hi,

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without top
posting
but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when I
reply
to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

Any ideas?
I wish windows mail had conformed to this sort-of-a-standard and stop making
people
top post all the time.

 

[Breaker]

steve

Top posting or bottom posting doesn't matter too much to me.

HTML posting in USENet newsgroups does bother me. Newsgroups are for
Text posting only. Leave the HTML crap for email or web pages.

 

[Steve Cochran]

This is not USENET, its msnews.

steve

in message

 

[Jeff]

OMG,
Really people;get a grip;top posting-bottom posting;who really cares?
Usenet standard;msnews standard-lol-is this a writing class?
Personally; I like the sidepost.lol

Jeff- if I can read it-good enuf-lol

 

[Breaker]

This is not USENET, its msnews.

steve

You have got to be kidding me. You really think this is not a USENet
newsgroup?

Just because it is hosted on the MSnews server does not make it
something totally seperate from USENet.

 

[Scott]

Just because it is hosted on the MSnews server does not make it
something totally seperate from USENet.

Last time I checked the Vista groups weren't (yet?) propagated to the
rest of Usenet. However, the other umpteen Microsoft groups are.

 

[Scott]

Hi,

is it possible to somehow change windows mail to create replies without
top posting
but commenting under the quoted text? I write messages in HTML and when
I reply
to a message I can't really write underneath the text (there's also this
black line)

I was most impressed when I started to read this post. I was thinking
"ah-ha! Someone that actually cares about netiquette". Then I became
immediately disillusioned when I read "I write messages in HTML".

So much for netiquette....

 

[Scott]

Hi

I'm just the opposite...I've already read the post, and don't need to see it
again, but for those that insist on 'repeating' the post and all of the
replies, I'd just as soon open a response and see that...WITHOUT all the
posts!

If done properly, a post with many follow-ups will have responses that
are trimmed to include only the pertinent information.

What happens of you arrive at a thread where the originally post(s) are
expired? The reply with no reference may very well make no sense.

I'm not too sure about the 'sort-of-a-standard'...and If I could change it, I would!

It is indeed a standard. See --> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

And if you really delve into it it does make perfect sense.

And if done right, you'll note that I did more than just bottom-post
here. I interspersed my response with your remarks.

This is the way it's "supposed" to be done. Of course if you want to be
arrogant (or a typical Outlook Distress user) you can just say "I don't
care as long as it makes me happy. It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"


A: You figure it out.
Q: Why is that bad?
A: Writing your reply above the original message.
Q: What is top-posting?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

 

[Scott]

It was once a usenet standard, it no longer is (contrary to the popular
arguments).

Prove it.

Has this been deprecated? :http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

Point me to the updated RFC.

commonly top post or in-line post because it simply makes
more sense.

Hummmm

A: You figure it out.
Q: Why is that bad?
A: Writing your reply above the original message.
Q: What is top-posting?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

If you read a post and go to the response, why should you
have to reread it or scan through that which you've already read to get
to the next segment? It'd be like turning to the next chapter in a book
and being forced to first reread the chapter you just finished.

Only if the posts above it weren't trimmed properly. Another common
faux pas.

 

[Scott]

Side posting also is nice sometimes. Especially when people complain a
lot about top posting. <G>

Interesting.

What do you come up with for people who complain about HTML in Newsgroup
posts?

 

[Scott]

Top posting is the way to go!
How many times you want to read quoted text, when browsing through replies?
Jacek

If quoted correctly quite often. How the hell do you know what to reply
to, if you've not read what was posted previously?