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[Leythos]

So, in summary;as I am tiring off explaining that deceit is not acceptable;
when and if MS decides kb905474 is a requirement to do business with them;
My money and my free will; will go elsewhere.

The we only disagree on one point, the deceit part. I'm already using
alternative products where possible, but there are some things that MS
offers that are just too nice/featured filled to pass up in some
solutions.

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

OK LETS READ
1)USER consent- \

Downloading is de facto consent. I guess. At least it would be, in the
presence of full disclosure.

But wait! There's a knowledge base article for that purpose, right?

So, according to Microsoft, this is what I consented to:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905474/en-us

I must be retarded or learning disabled or something because I just
can't find in there where it says that it's going to load and phone home
at every start up.

Or maybe it's just that I lack the technical knowledge to understand
this knowledge base article.

Surely that must be the reason.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Jeff]

Yup,
Guess I'm sorta slow too!! Oh and missed the part about it collecting
hardware and 3rd party software info too!!
Jeff

 

[Leythos]

Downloading is de facto consent. I guess. At least it would be, in the
presence of full disclosure.

But wait! There's a knowledge base article for that purpose, right?

So, according to Microsoft, this is what I consented to:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905474/en-us

I must be retarded or learning disabled or something because I just
can't find in there where it says that it's going to load and phone home
at every start up.

Or maybe it's just that I lack the technical knowledge to understand
this knowledge base article.

Surely that must be the reason.

I don't see where it tells you that it does/does not contact MS, that it
does/does not run each time you reboot, in fact, the KB article shows
very little, and would cause me to wonder about the things you are
concerned about, but I would check more before consenting, unless I was
unworried about WGA in the first place.

 

[Jeff]

The point exactly Leythos,
Non-disclosure;deceit;not telling is as bad as lying.
Ah but would most even know to go as far as Rhonda has; I think not. You
well know;being that you are in the industry, that most people accept what
MS says is"high priority" as gospel truth. Therein lies the problem;again
deceit Leythos;pure and simple deceit. As you yourself have posted;in black
and white termsECEIT
Jeff

 

[Leythos]

The point exactly Leythos,
Non-disclosure;deceit;not telling is as bad as lying.
Ah but would most even know to go as far as Rhonda has; I think not. You
well know;being that you are in the industry, that most people accept what
MS says is"high priority" as gospel truth. Therein lies the problem;again
deceit Leythos;pure and simple deceit. As you yourself have posted;in black
and white termsECEIT

I don't consider it deceit, far from it in fact.

 

[Jeff]

Well,
That's the beauty of our system(so-far) (I won't even go there-LOL)
People are entitled to opinions; and I am sticking to mine; as I would
expect;you are to yours. So enough of this banter. Again, when and if MS
decides that kb905474 is their modus operandi???? I'm through with them.
Jeff

 

[kurttrail]

I just read the two posts that you provided, and this is something you
might have missed (from the OP) "I am pretty sure that I have a legal
copy of Windows".

So, when it's all resolved, let me know if the copies of Windows XP
were legit or pirated, if they were pirated then the OP was not
wasting any time and is actually in a better position for learning
about it.

Yep. Lamegirl is a French Poodle. She presumes guilt until otherwise
proven.

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Kurt Kirsch
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"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Leythos]

Yep. Lamegirl is a French Poodle. She presumes guilt until otherwise
proven.

No, but when the majority of the responses indicate what appears to be a
clear case of pirated software, well, it's fairly easy to understand. If
a person states that they got their computer off e-bay, had not COA
sticker, no media, is running Windows XP Prof, and has no restore
partition, well, it's fairly easy to see that the seller screwed the
purchaser with a pirated copy.

 

[Alias]

No, but when the majority of the responses indicate what appears to be a
clear case of pirated software, well, it's fairly easy to understand. If
a person states that they got their computer off e-bay, had not COA
sticker, no media, is running Windows XP Prof, and has no restore
partition, well, it's fairly easy to see that the seller screwed the
purchaser with a pirated copy.

Go to the web based WGA forum and count how many Dell owners are having
this problem. Are you saying that Dell ships computers with pirated
software?

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Go to the web based WGA forum and count how many Dell owners are having
this problem. Are you saying that Dell ships computers with pirated
software?

No, but until you get the specifics we don't really know what the
problem is caused by. I read the Dell User group on Usenet, very few
posts there about WGA.

I have a LOT of Dell computers, purchase over many years, not seen any
problems with properly licensed Dells yet.

 

[Alias]

No, but until you get the specifics we don't really know what the
problem is caused by. I read the Dell User group on Usenet, very few
posts there about WGA.

I have a LOT of Dell computers, purchase over many years, not seen any
problems with properly licensed Dells yet.

I didn't say "Dell User group on Usenet", I said the web based WGA
group, hosted by Microsoft:

http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=444&SiteID=25

Ya know, where everyone is supposed to post their WGA problems.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

I didn't say "Dell User group on Usenet", I said the web based WGA
group, hosted by Microsoft:

http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=444&SiteID=25

Ya know, where everyone is supposed to post their WGA problems.

Yes, I know, but I don't use web based forums and if it's not replicated
to Usenet I'm not going to see it.

 

[Alias]

Yes, I know, but I don't use web based forums and if it's not replicated
to Usenet I'm not going to see it.

You don't know how to surf the web? You don't have to "use" it. You
don't have to create a Passport account unless you want to post. You
don't have to sign in unless you have an account and want to post. ALL
you have to do is click on the messages and read them. Is that too
difficult for you? Try the messages that have "Dell" in the subject
field and then get back to me.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Try the messages that have "Dell" in the subject
field and then get back to me.

You and I both know that Usenet is full of complainers when it comes to
vendors groups, so you would expect there to be at least SOME complaints
in the Dell usenet group about it, but there don't seem to be any.

I'm not saying they are not having problems, and I'm sure they are based
on your statement, but I don't really have the time to go searching for
all the posts and determine why something isn't working for a few
people.

 

[Alias]

You and I both know that Usenet is full of complainers when it comes to
vendors groups, so you would expect there to be at least SOME complaints
in the Dell usenet group about it, but there don't seem to be any.

I'm not saying they are not having problems, and I'm sure they are based
on your statement, but I don't really have the time to go searching for
all the posts and determine why something isn't working for a few
people.

Translation: Leythos doesn't like to be proved wrong, despite what he's
said.

Alias

 

[antioch]

Translation: Leythos doesn't like to be proved wrong, despite what he's
said.

Alias

And of course those complaints re Dell computers are only from those who
know about newsgroups/forums etc.
There must a lot more who only know of one place to complain, and that's
Dell.

Antioch

 

[kurttrail]

No, but when the majority of the responses indicate what appears to
be a clear case of pirated software, well, it's fairly easy to
understand.

LOL! You see what you want to see. You want to see pirates all over
the place, to validate your copy-protection sycophantry.

If a person states that they got their computer off
e-bay, had not COA sticker, no media, is running Windows XP Prof, and
has no restore partition, well, it's fairly easy to see that the
seller screwed the purchaser with a pirated copy.

What about those that say they bought their computers from major OEMs
and major chain stores?

You clearly ignore all those complaints.

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And rattle your walls
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[Shenan Stanley]

maskedandanonymous.org says...

Try the messages that have "Dell" in the subject field and then
get back to me.

You and I both know that Usenet is full of complainers when it
comes to vendors groups, so you would expect there to be at least
SOME complaints in the Dell usenet group about it, but there
don't seem to be any.
I'm not saying they are not having problems, and I'm sure they
are based on your statement, but I don't really have the time to
go searching for all the posts and determine why something isn't
working for a few people.

Translation: Leythos doesn't like to be proved wrong, despite what
he's said.

And of course those complaints re Dell computers are only from
those who know about newsgroups/forums etc.
There must a lot more who only know of one place to complain, and
that's Dell.

Dell will point them to these newsgroups in many cases.
And just think - the newsgroups (these) are already practically pre-loaded
in Vista/Windows Mail 7 (at least the betas.)
Soon - everyone will be here. Yay.

 

[Leythos]

Translation: Leythos doesn't like to be proved wrong, despite what he's
said.

I believe I wrote that I believe you in a earlier reply, but that I
don't care to visit the site to determine the exact cause of their
problem.