WinDefender is still far beyond competition !

[Guest]

If I compare the anti-spy results from Windefender Beta 2, and others,
Microsoft is still far beyond competion :
- CA Pest Patrol always find 5 times more pest on all full files and disk
scan than Defender.
- Other softwares : between 2 to 3 times more pest detected.
And they are all effective to kill the pest.
Defender cannot find the pests, and even then, it may not be able to kill
them.
And now there is more :
RootKits are being taken care by MacAfee 11.
Defender should really include a serious protection against them because
they are more and more a big threat !
When Defender will be more effective than competition, and also protect
against RootKits ? Maybe after 1 more year beta-testing, and after being 2
more years on the Market !!!
What do you think ?
Thanks.

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Are you really sure? You can't be serious man when you intimate that MS
product is completely crap! there are more than 25 million users
(according to MS website) and all these users can't be stupid to use a
crap product! Perhaps I am missing something here.

You do know what a beta product is do you?

 

[Guest]

I think you meant "far behind".

 

[Guest]

Good catch Mr Cat ;-)

I think you meant "far behind".

 

[Guest]

Yes, guys you were right with only 1 damn thing : I meant "FAR BEHIND" and
not "BEYOND" !!!...
BECAUSE :
YES, "Anonymous" : Windefender is REALLY a Complete crap !!!!
Are you working at Microsoft or are you blind or what ?
I have done so many tests with so many different softwares since so long
times in my Cyber Cafe (10 public PCs).
And pointing out the millions of downloads is making me mad : this is
absolutly not a reason enough ! This was not because millions of people
believed that the earth was flat, that it was a proof that it was the truth !
And you know that even now you can find thousands of dummy people to believe
such a stupidity about the earth ! So I guess that there may also still be
out there many milions people to be stupid enough to believe that Microsoft
software will save their PC ! I am sorry but whatever millions they can be :
THEY ARE ALL WRONG !!! They are just Consumer-JOE : they do stupid things
automatically without even thinking about it and just because a big compnay
has told them to do so (or at least has done a smart marketing to encourage
them to try their software) !
And dont talk me about beta !
I am beta-tester since many years at different moments !
I know that a soft in beta cannot be perfect...
BUT : this not an Alpha ! This not a Beta 1 ! This not the first build of
the Beta 2 neither (maybe the 3rd build or so ?) ! And this is about 2 years
that the process is going on !
And see the results :
When my customers infect my public PCs with pests in the disk, files, OS,
registry, emails, etc... : Defender is completely inefective at scanning !
Only other softwares (mainly Pest Patrol and MacAffee) can do the job ! And
the more recent or the more rare the pest is, the less Defender can do it,
and the more the competition still is on the track !
So tell me what is this joke of "SpyNet" : they will need 5 years of
existence to build a serious full up-to-date data base of all spywares in the
wild, because only competitors have full referenced all these pests, because
Microsft is comming to this market with 5 years too late !!!
One more thing :
The resident shield (I am not talking about the scans) :
Defender knows Windows Secrets better than competition, and there, it does a
pretty good job. For example, Pest Patrol resident shield has an efficiency
of ZERO to block a new pest at its installation (only a scan will do). But
even though, MacAfee has a very efficient resident shield, and Microsoft
should not believe that they have mastered their Windows protection simply
because they are Microsoft !
That's all folks !
Enjoy !
Test more and compare and come back here with some serious stuff, and no
more jokes please !...
Thanks.

 

[Guest]

If you seriuously beleive that anti-"spyware" products that identify every
last cookie as some kind of threat to mankind, then go with the garbage that
makes its authors look good in your eyes.

Frankly, I find anti-"spyware" tools that identify most cookies as threats
to be a great annoyance. Windows Defender is apparently not annoying enough
for you.

Here's a great idea, try running CCLEANER (CrapCleaner) before your next
PestScan or <insert favorite chest-thumping anti-"spyware" tool here>. You
might find the scan may also produce insufficinetly annoying resultsl.

Go figure! ;-)

 

[Tom Emmelot]

Hi Scott D,

I Quote:
Here's a great idea, try running CCLEANER (CrapCleaner) before your next
PestScan or <insert favorite chest-thumping anti-"spyware" tool here>.
You might find the scan may also produce insufficinetly annoying resultsl.

Strange i use CCleaner now for a long time, both the Crap and Registry
cleaner and never had any problems, i think with me a lot of people like
the program a lot and keep the PC clean and not just the MS side of the
PC!! Mistakes and bugs are in every program. We test WD now for more
than a year, still bugs and mistakes in it!!

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Scott D schreef:

 

[Paul Baker [MVP, Windows - Networking]]

Noone said that programs like CrapCleaner will cause you problems, although
a false positive could theoretically remove something that is vital to the
operation of a piece of software or even hardware, if it's a driver. But I
do agree that a common issue with this type of software is that it
identifies too many things that it shouldn't as threats, giving you a false
sense of security.

You say "mistakes and bugs are in every program", which is probably true.
However, no software is going to "fix mistakes" in other software. Only the
software vendor who has the source code can do that through new releases.
What this type of software does is things like remove orphaned registry
entries and so on caused by faulty install/uninstall software associated
with a program. Such registry entries weren't doing any real harm, that's
the whole point. In fact in many cases, it would be better to attempt to
reinstall the file that those registry entries refer to or that made those
registry entries than remove all traces of it. And much of the things this
kind of software finds are not a security concern. Software that confuses
spyware with relatively innocent cookies with orphaned registry entries that
promises to, in a sweepingly unclear generalization, "clean all sorts of
crap" should be taken with a grain of salt and, most likely, I wouldn't use
it. You just don't know what it's doing really, so you are expected just to
trust it. And I do not. Who's to say what is "crap" and what is not? It's
your computer and your files.

Remember that you are using a beta version of Windows Defender. You may find
that the final release does not exhibit the bugs you have noticed,
especially if you report them here.

Paul

 

[Tom Emmelot]

Hi Paul,

next time read the post well, maybe look what that person did the the
last year in this group, also look what is common in these groups, then
reply or don't. But thanks for your lecture anyway!

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Paul Baker [MVP, Windows - Networking] schreef: