Widescreen LCD Monitor HP L2335 has some motion blur in Quake 3.

S

Skybuck Flying

Hello,

I am not completely happy with my new monitor. It's connected to my old PC
via the analog vga signal. Soon I'll have a new PC with the digital signal
but I doubt the screen quality will improve.

So here am I writing a preliminary report/review and also requesting some
information about alternative "just-as-good" crt monitors ?

My main complaints about the LCD monitor and maybe LCD technology in general
are:

1. Motion blur in quake 3. (Just a little bit but definetly noticeable).
2. Fuzzy screen because of the grid lines between the pixels. It's like
looking at a holographic sticker/image.
3. Little bit darker near the left and right edge. (Because of viewing
angle) Only noticeable with white or other bright colors. (However I don't
mind this so much).

The text is also incredibly sharp... a bit too sharp maybe... but ok.

I think my 10 year old 17 inch monitor gives a better quality image/video
than this new monitor. So that's pretty shocking isn't it ;) !!!!

Maybe this is one of the best (widescreen) LCD monitors out there but
compared to CRT it blows donkey's dick.

The only adventage is more screen space which is relaxed for strategy games
like civilization 3 conquest.

So my I am already thinking about selling this monitor and buying a big ass
CRT monitor.

The new CRT monitor should be bigger than 17 inch because I at least want a
bit more screen space.

So I ask this newsgroup... what's the biggest and best CRT monitor you ever
saw/found and what did you pay for it.

I payed 1000 bucks for this LCD monitor and a big ass CRT monitor will
probably cost less than 500 bucks and have 10 times better quality, that's
my probable conclusion.

If I do buy a new CRT monitor I will first compare it to the LCD monitor and
then sell off the LCD monitor...

What kinda pisses me off is that I spent 1200 euro's for two 7900 gtx 512 MB
cards and now the LCD monitor will probably **** up the graphics. That sux.

Also in the future I might have to lower the resolution... and the LCD also
kinda sucks at that.

Sure it can scale up... but a CRT monitor will look much better.

So you see what I am getting at... LCD <- baaaaddddd deal.

The question/problem is... what is good CRT monitor ? ;)

Yes I want the best of the best !

What's the best of the best CRT monitor... <--- that's the question !!!

Oh and I also forgot to mention that the LCD monitor has one dead sub
pixel. It's a little bit green.. but you only see it when everything is
black or dark. So that's another major drawback for the future... more dead
pixels ! yak ;)

One final note:

I have seen many people write reviews and raves about this LCD monitor and
other LCD monitors like the dell stuff. I don't know what those people are
raving about... maybe they LCD freaks... maybe they had bad LCD's before
this one... but I am coming from the CRT scene if you know what I mean...
and I am true gamer... I played at least 50+ shooters... and I am telling
you don't buy this monitor if you want to enjoy shooters to the max ! Those
people writing great reviews about this monitor don't know jack shit about
playing games and especially shooters. Don't believe them ! ;)

Later I will test my monitor with the digital signal... but I am pretty sure
the quality won't improve. The motion blur will probably remain, the fuzzy
look in general will probably remain.

I rather have a monitor with bad colors and some aliasing then this crap...
it's also quite bright...

The only thing that makes me doubt is the radiation of the CRT monitor...
The CRT monitor might give me cancer in the long run... so that's a major
concern for me... and ofcourse the weight... but if it's in place it's in
place ;)

The cancer shit is scaring the pants off off me... so I ll have to sleep
many night on this though decision lol.

You can expect a new post as soon as I test the digital signal as well. But
don't expect any fireworks.

Bye,
A disappointed ****ed up, ripped off (?) Skybuck :((( ;) :D
 
M

Michael Hawes

Skybuck Flying said:
Hello,

I am not completely happy with my new monitor. It's connected to my old PC
via the analog vga signal. Soon I'll have a new PC with the digital signal
but I doubt the screen quality will improve.

So here am I writing a preliminary report/review and also requesting some
information about alternative "just-as-good" crt monitors ?

My main complaints about the LCD monitor and maybe LCD technology in
general
are:

1. Motion blur in quake 3. (Just a little bit but definetly noticeable).
2. Fuzzy screen because of the grid lines between the pixels. It's like
looking at a holographic sticker/image.
3. Little bit darker near the left and right edge. (Because of viewing
angle) Only noticeable with white or other bright colors. (However I don't
mind this so much).

The text is also incredibly sharp... a bit too sharp maybe... but ok.

I think my 10 year old 17 inch monitor gives a better quality image/video
than this new monitor. So that's pretty shocking isn't it ;) !!!!

Maybe this is one of the best (widescreen) LCD monitors out there but
compared to CRT it blows donkey's dick.

The only adventage is more screen space which is relaxed for strategy
games
like civilization 3 conquest.

So my I am already thinking about selling this monitor and buying a big
ass
CRT monitor.

The new CRT monitor should be bigger than 17 inch because I at least want
a
bit more screen space.

So I ask this newsgroup... what's the biggest and best CRT monitor you
ever
saw/found and what did you pay for it.

I payed 1000 bucks for this LCD monitor and a big ass CRT monitor will
probably cost less than 500 bucks and have 10 times better quality, that's
my probable conclusion.

If I do buy a new CRT monitor I will first compare it to the LCD monitor
and
then sell off the LCD monitor...

What kinda pisses me off is that I spent 1200 euro's for two 7900 gtx 512
MB
cards and now the LCD monitor will probably **** up the graphics. That
sux.

Also in the future I might have to lower the resolution... and the LCD
also
kinda sucks at that.

Sure it can scale up... but a CRT monitor will look much better.

So you see what I am getting at... LCD <- baaaaddddd deal.

The question/problem is... what is good CRT monitor ? ;)

Yes I want the best of the best !

What's the best of the best CRT monitor... <--- that's the question !!!

Oh and I also forgot to mention that the LCD monitor has one dead sub
pixel. It's a little bit green.. but you only see it when everything is
black or dark. So that's another major drawback for the future... more
dead
pixels ! yak ;)

One final note:

I have seen many people write reviews and raves about this LCD monitor and
other LCD monitors like the dell stuff. I don't know what those people are
raving about... maybe they LCD freaks... maybe they had bad LCD's before
this one... but I am coming from the CRT scene if you know what I mean...
and I am true gamer... I played at least 50+ shooters... and I am telling
you don't buy this monitor if you want to enjoy shooters to the max !
Those
people writing great reviews about this monitor don't know jack shit about
playing games and especially shooters. Don't believe them ! ;)

Later I will test my monitor with the digital signal... but I am pretty
sure
the quality won't improve. The motion blur will probably remain, the fuzzy
look in general will probably remain.

I rather have a monitor with bad colors and some aliasing then this
crap...
it's also quite bright...

The only thing that makes me doubt is the radiation of the CRT monitor...
The CRT monitor might give me cancer in the long run... so that's a major
concern for me... and ofcourse the weight... but if it's in place it's in
place ;)

The cancer shit is scaring the pants off off me... so I ll have to sleep
many night on this though decision lol.

You can expect a new post as soon as I test the digital signal as well.
But
don't expect any fireworks.

Bye,
A disappointed ****ed up, ripped off (?) Skybuck :((( ;) :D
Click to expand...
What resolution are you using? Should be 1920x1200. Have you enabled
cleartype?
Mike.
 
G

GregS

Hello,

I am not completely happy with my new monitor. It's connected to my old PC
via the analog vga signal. Soon I'll have a new PC with the digital signal
but I doubt the screen quality will improve.

So here am I writing a preliminary report/review and also requesting some
information about alternative "just-as-good" crt monitors ?

My main complaints about the LCD monitor and maybe LCD technology in general
are:
Click to expand...

I have seen some large expensive screens, but for the most part I agree with your observations.
I don't really have all that much experiance with different screens, but some really
are problematic!

greg
 
C

Charlie Wilkes

Hello,

I am not completely happy with my new monitor. It's connected to my old PC
via the analog vga signal. Soon I'll have a new PC with the digital signal
but I doubt the screen quality will improve.
Click to expand...

The DVI connection makes a huge difference with my LCD monitor.

Charlie
 
J

Jim Thompson

The DVI connection makes a huge difference with my LCD monitor.

Charlie
Click to expand...

Are there any KVM's out there that handle DVI?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
S

Scotter

I am running two Dell 2405 FPWs (24").

I started running them on a card that had only one DVI-out and the other
VGA. The difference was noticable. The LCD connected via VGA wasn't as bad
as you describe but it had a few noticable annoyances.

Now I have them both hooked up to a card with two DVI outs and they both
look fantastic.

When connected via DVI: Perfect image quality. Fast response. Not even
ghosting while watching videos are playing 3D shooters. Very bright. Very
crisp. Images and text.

TWO RULES OF LCDs:
(1) Run only at their native resolution
(2) Use DVI (instead of VGA) when possible

--
Scotter
Tyan Thunder K8WE
Dual Opteron 252s (2.6ghz)
4 gig Corsair XMS DDR400 RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256 w/VGAsilencerV3
500 gig Hitachi SATA 300
160 gig Seagate SATA 150
Dual Dell 24" wide aspect LCDs
550W Antec power supply
X-Fi Platinum Soundblaster
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S

Skybuck Flying

Here is how to test the motion blur:

Download and install the Quake 3 Arena demo.

Then strafe left/right looking at a wall.

The wall will blur while moving.

Then when you stop, the wall will suddenly be sharp again.

Please test this with your monitors and dvi and let me know the results.

That would be very interesting !

With slower games like battlefield2 I have not noticed any motion blur so
far.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Skybuck Flying said:
Here is how to test the motion blur:

Download and install the Quake 3 Arena demo.

Then strafe left/right looking at a wall.

The wall will blur while moving.

Then when you stop, the wall will suddenly be sharp again.

Please test this with your monitors and dvi and let me know the results.

That would be very interesting !

With slower games like battlefield2 I have not noticed any motion blur so
far.
Click to expand...

Little addition:

That's because battlefield2 only runs 15 fps per second on my old computer.

The motion blur will only be visible/noticeable with high frame rates.

Later I will also test one more time with my 17 inch crt monitor to make
sure that it doesn't have the motion blur... I am pretty sure it doesn't
since I never noticed it ;) but I have to be 100% sure so I'll report that
back later as well :D

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
H

Half_Light

Little addition:

That's because battlefield2 only runs 15 fps per second on my old computer.

The motion blur will only be visible/noticeable with high frame rates.

Later I will also test one more time with my 17 inch crt monitor to make
sure that it doesn't have the motion blur... I am pretty sure it doesn't
since I never noticed it ;) but I have to be 100% sure so I'll report that
back later as well :D

Bye,
Skybuck.
Click to expand...

On thing about LCD moitors. Always run with vsync on or esle you will
get real bad tearing. Now your FPS is maxed at 60 -75.
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Well I was so curious I am immediatly tested it. So here is the report.

The CRT monitor is indeed twice as sharp when moving but the screen also
shakes a little bit more. I actually enjoyed the LCD monitor a bit better
because it moved more smooth. The thing is the blur gets magnified because
the LCD is so big... which makes it more noticeable.

Well now I have to find something else to complain about lol... what is
starting to annoy me a little bit so to speak is the automatic resizing/auto
adjustment of the screen... it takes two seconds everytime when switching
resolutions. Most of the time it works really well which is quite nice...
but sometimes in a game I have to press the auto button so it adjusts
properly...

It's a very nice feature... ofcourse CRT monitors auto adjust as well to the
resolution but sometimes the screen will be offset wrongly... with LCD this
can happen as welll but the auto button fixes it... the LCD probably needs
some content to be displayed otherwise it might fail... so if the screen is
all black it might still go wrong. So nothing much to complain about really.

I no longer think the blur effect is worth getting a CRT monitor... however
the pixelized fuzzy look remains on the LCD... which still annoys me. Also
the 17 inch looks really tiny and idiotic compared to the 23 sssspppaccceee
:) but that's comparing apples to peaches ;) lol... the screen on the 17
inch is also kinda bold/curved like a ball but one gets used to that real
fast. The LCD is more the opposite like a theater/film etc... a bit curved
on the inside it seems. but that s probably just because of the perspective
of the eye ball ? ;)

Anyway... I'll have to wait for the digital signal to give my final
verdicht. I hope the digital signal will get rid of some of the fuzzy
look... if it does that that would be great... and if it decreases some of
the blur as well than that would be totally awesome.

Later,
Skybuck.
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Half_Light said:
On thing about LCD moitors. Always run with vsync on or esle you will
get real bad tearing. Now your FPS is maxed at 60 -75.
Click to expand...

Some games have a vsync option.

However I searched for sync via
/cvarlist *sync
and
/cmdlist *sync

Quake 3 Arena doesn't seem to have a vsync option ???

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
H

Half_Light

Some games have a vsync option.

However I searched for sync via
/cvarlist *sync
and
/cmdlist *sync

Quake 3 Arena doesn't seem to have a vsync option ???

Bye,
Skybuck.
Click to expand...
I use ATI Tray Tools and create game profiles and always force it on
to 60hz for each game. You can force it on with the CCC drivers too
but some games override the CCC setting. ATI Tray tools always forces
it on.
 
H

Half_Light

... however
the pixelized fuzzy look remains on the LCD... which still annoys me.
Click to expand...

You sure your running at the LCD's native res?

And why are you crossposting to this group?

sci.electronics.design
 
S

Skybuck Flying

Half_Light said:
You sure your running at the LCD's native res?

And why are you crossposting to this group?

sci.electronics.design
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Why not...

There are a few million transistors in my monitor. They could still be too
slow... so hint hint make-them-faster lol.

Next time they should include a hanky... to wide any dirt of the screen...
it's so black I can see every little dust and cell partical of my body
fingers hands etc ;)

I'll mention this improvement in my final review/report of the dream system
as well =D

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
D

Dromiz

Had to do some looking but see your unit has a 16 ms response rate and that
is going to give LCD ghosting in some game. LCD with 8 ms or less have far
less ghosting. I have a 27" Olevia HDTV with 8 ms have very little ghosting
($799.00)
 

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