Why Does Mozilla Look And Function Like Netscape?

[Charles Cobb Jr]

Please tell me how. So far, I haven't been able to do sort bookmarks in
Mozilla any way except manually. Thanks.

 

[John Corliss]

Please tell me how. So far, I haven't been able to sort bookmarks in
Mozilla any way except manually. Thanks.

Well to be frank, I didn't know there was any other way. Since my
bookmarks are the end result of surfing since Netscape first came out,
their order has evolved along with them. Is there supposed to be some
other way to sort them?

 

[John Corliss]

True, Netscape is dying. But so is Mozilla.

Where did you ever come up with that notion? More and more of my
friends and acquaintances are starting to use and love Mozilla.

With 95-98% of users running IE, web developers would love to drop support
for Netscape/Mozilla. The two camps differ in their object hierarchy,
forcing us to write special JavaScript code to deal with them differently.

And who's fault is that?

Since it's more productive to deal with the majority, new advances in the
Net/Moz camp come up against resistance. It's just easier for us to write
for IE.

And it's easier for Microsoft to make it necessary for website code to
be more proprietary for their browser so that they can further their
monopolistic idiocy.

Is a totally Microsoft world REALLY what you want?

 

[My Name]

Well to be frank, I didn't know there was any other way.
Since my bookmarks are the end result of surfing since
Netscape first came out, their order has evolved along with
them. Is there supposed to be some other way to sort them?

One could dtrl+b then click to sort on column descriptions.

 

[My Name]

One could dtrl+b then click to sort on column descriptions.

Heck, after ctrl+b take a look at the edit menu.

 

[null]

True, Netscape is dying. But so is Mozilla.

With 95-98% of users running IE, web developers would love to drop support
for Netscape/Mozilla. The two camps differ in their object hierarchy,
forcing us to write special JavaScript code to deal with them differently.

But why would you not want to serve the more informed and
security-minded users of Mozilla? Actually, it seems to me that web
developers such as yourself are in the minority since Moz works fine
on most all web sites I've ever accessed. Sites that aren't Moz
friendly aren't worth accessing, since that indicates the web designer
is too stupid or lazy to accomodate it. And Moz is no "dying puppy" by
any means. Quite to the contrary.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Brian Pipa]

With 95-98% of users running IE,

Probably 80% of the people I know use Mozilla. Anyone konw of a site
that has some actual browser statistics (precentages)? I ggogled and
couldn't find any.

 

[Aaron]

ROFL....Mozilla dying.

Really? Better tell everyone on Slashdot that.


No they wouldn't because alot of them run *nix for which Mozilla is
the leading browser.

Also this situation of 90% of people using IE isn't really new, has being
so for the last few years already.

Expect to die a slow death as more and more people realise that the
reason they've so much spyware on their PC is thanks to IEs complete
lack of security.

Every day more people are discovering Mozilla, Firefox and Opera. Once
they've got used to mouse gestures, built in popup blockers and their
spyware cleaner coming up with nothing everytime then they'll only use
IE if there is no other choice.

Then they discover IE shells which also offer mouse gestures, popup
blockers .......



Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Conor]

True, Netscape is dying. But so is Mozilla.

No they aren't.

Internet Explorer however is well and truly dead at least for
Win3.x,9x,NT4/2k/XP.

You WILL NOT see any new version of IE on Windows up to Windows XP. The
next new version of IE is going to be for LONGHORN ONLY and that'll not
come out until 2006.

So..

I wonder how good Internet Explorer will look in even 12 months time
with no updates planned compared to Opera, Mozilla, Firefox who are
constantly adding more functionality and improving speed etc?

I wonder just how many more holes the hackers and scrip kiddies are
going to find on a stagnant browser?

 

[Conor]

Then they discover IE shells which also offer mouse gestures, popup
blockers .......

IE development is dead. IE6 is the last version to be issued for any
current release of Windows. THe next version of IE will be in Longhorn
and not released for older OSes.

 

[scroob]

I don't understand why you're saying that. You can't even use a
separate email address for usenet posts with that version.

Since I don't use Mozilla (or Netscape) for email or Usenet, that's a moot
point for me. There are far better programs for each than Mozilla/Netscape.

 

[scroob]

Netscape 7.1 sorts them automatically. Manage Bookmarks>Sort folder. I
haven't seen a single version of either Mozilla or Firefox that can do
this. Questions asked around the Mozilla site get the response that it's
coming one day, but is not considered a high priority.

OK, Mozilla, how come Netscape 7.1 can do it? It didn't seem to be a big
problem to add the feature.

 

[scroob]

Well since AOL is basically out of the browser business, it will
always be behind.

It was recently announced that Netscape 7.2 will be out in June. I thought
Netscape was a done deal, but apparently not.

 

[scroob]

IE is a non compliant browser. I suggest it's time for all web developers
to write compliant script, so that IE users can see with their own eyes
that it's a patched up piece of garbage. Do you take delight in writing bad
script just because of IE?

 

[dszady]

IE is a non compliant browser. I suggest it's time for all web developers
to write compliant script, so that IE users can see with their own eyes
that it's a patched up piece of garbage. Do you take delight in writing bad
script just because of IE?

I believe you are replying to the wrong person.
This is the post that you are responding to:

True, Netscape is dying. But so is Mozilla.

With 95-98% of users running IE, web developers would love to drop support
for Netscape/Mozilla. The two camps differ in their object hierarchy,
forcing us to write special JavaScript code to deal with them differently.

Since it's more productive to deal with the majority, new advances in the
Net/Moz camp come up against resistance. It's just easier for us to write
for IE.

<My reply>
Who is is this us? Conformists like you and and FYIS.org/estore? Grow the
**** up you punk!
</reply>

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Netscape 7.1 sorts them automatically. Manage Bookmarks>Sort folder. I
haven't seen a single version of either Mozilla or Firefox that can do
this. Questions asked around the Mozilla site get the response that it's
coming one day, but is not considered a high priority.

OK, Mozilla, how come Netscape 7.1 can do it? It didn't seem to be a big
problem to add the feature.

Have a look at the "Edit" menu under "Bokkmarks->Manage Bookmarks." In
Moz 1.6 it sure looks like it says "Sort Folder..." and "Sort Folder by
Name."

What exactly are you trying to do?

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[monkeyman]

Have a look at the "Edit" menu under "Bokkmarks->Manage Bookmarks." In
Moz 1.6 it sure looks like it says "Sort Folder..." and "Sort Folder by
Name."

What exactly are you trying to do?

Cheers,
Gary B-)

The sort by folder and sort by name barely work at all. The solution
is to use an extension called Sort Bookmarks

http://cgi29.plala.or.jp/~mozzarel/addon/firefox/sortbookmarks/

Click on the sortbookmarks.xpi link and it will install automatically.
The links with numerals (i.e. sortbookmarks0_1.xpi) are previous
versions.

 

[Aaron]

It was recently announced that Netscape 7.2 will be out in June. I
thought Netscape was a done deal, but apparently not.

Well yes, that's why I said "basically". In any case, as one poster
mentioned , the history of Netscape is full of twists and turns, to fully
explain all of them would be a big undertaking.



Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Lester Horwinkle]

<My reply>
Who is is this us? Conformists like you and and FYIS.org/estore? Grow the
**** up you punk!
</reply>

Conformist? Perhaps.
Grow up? Done that.
Punk? Not at all.

The web is now (mostly) about business. As such, we prefer practicality over
purity and dogma.

If you say IE is non-compliant, so be it. But our development tools work
well with it. And since our hosting statistics show that IE users make up
95+% of all hits, it's wasteful to spend expensive development effort to
cater to the other 2% - 5%. Writing for multiple browsers costs more, that's
all.

As for IE being a "patched up piece of garbage" ... I don't control that.
The road may be bumpy, but the tools support our business.

There's money to be made using the web. But there's little to be gained by
complaining about IE.

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Lester Horwinkle wrote:
[SNIP]

Conformist? Perhaps.
Grow up? Done that.
Punk? Not at all.

The web is now (mostly) about business. As such, we prefer practicality over
purity and dogma.

If you say IE is non-compliant, so be it. But our development tools work
well with it. And since our hosting statistics show that IE users make up
95+% of all hits, it's wasteful to spend expensive development effort to
cater to the other 2% - 5%. Writing for multiple browsers costs more, that's
all.

As for IE being a "patched up piece of garbage" ... I don't control that.
The road may be bumpy, but the tools support our business.

There's money to be made using the web. But there's little to be gained by
complaining about IE.

But as IE does not run on anything else, for example, an UltraSPARC
running Solaris 9 or an Alpha running Tru64 5.1, it is of no use to
those of use who use such machines for _our_ businesses.

Yes, we could lug in a peecee and run it on that, but that could
(would?) compromise security requirements, and who wants to have to
certify yet another machine.

Cheers,
Gary B-)