Which bad effects does pirating software have?

O

Onno Tasler

Because there have been requests for pirated software lately, I would like
to say some words to this topic. Not the standard "It is illegal, do not do
it", neither do I want to warn about the possible dangers, at least
Microsoft sees no sense in prosecuting ordinary private home users for
pirating software - it is probably to expensive compared to the loss.
Instead, I want to try to explain which effects pirating software has.

There are two, seemingly contradicting positions towards pirated software:
"It destroys the software market!" does the one side say, "Only this way,
Microsoft could get its position!" the other proclaims.

Now, who is right? The BSA or the software pirates? Or are both wrong? I
would say neither nor, both are right - and both lie, nonetheless. Seems a
bit confusing, but hold on.

First, let's think whose software is the one that is pirated most often?
Usually, it is the market leaders software. Taking a look at the statistics
verifies this assertion, MS Office and MS Windows are not only market
leader in their respective markets but also the programs in that market
which are pirated the most often. In some areas the pirated versions of MS
Office alone have a bigger share of the market than the second placed
competitor!

It is a well known fact in Marketing (and not only there) that the market
leader often has an advantage just by being the market leader, but in the
software market being the market leader has even a bigger advantage. Since
office computers are most often used to exchange data, all other programs
have to be able to import the market leaders file formats, while the market
leader itself can afford having only import filters for the numbers three
and four (or sometimes none at all). People will rather ask why someone
uses "such a strange format" instead of the "standard format" of the market
leaders software than complain toward the manufacturer of the own program.

(This applies to almost any kind of software, even though the specific
reasons differs by application. Games for example have a smaller need for
exchanging data, but while playing the market leaders game you cannot play
the competitors [much cheaper] game either.)

Thus, having a big market share is a big advantage in the software market
because it allows one to somehow dictate the used file formats. Or would
anybody consider putting Word Perfect files on his homepage when the file
is meant for general access? Few think twice about doing so with a MS Word
document, it is expected to be readable by everyone.

Pirating software increases your share of the market, thus gives you the
advantage of a commonly used software, mentioned above. For that reason,
many companies started to give away their software for free for home users,
because that is the only way they see they can compete in this market. This
leads to point 2: Pirating software destroys the market. Of course,
companies who specialised in writing software for the private sector are
the losers of this game, their chosen home is turned into a battlefield.
Even though their software might have been well written, fairly priced and
better suited for private use they stand just no chance against the
professional software which is given away for free. The effect remains the
same even if the big players are not giving away their software for free on
purpose but just by ignoring the pirated versions (as MS does).

This way, of the many manufacturers that were there in the beginning only a
few remain. What remains is a market with a strong market leader and a
handful of small competitors, which are often specialised in certain niche.
Of course, this destroys the market -- one of the main requirements for a
working market is competition, after all.

Thus, in a vicious circle, the market share (to which the pirated versions
count) improves the position of a company, the better the position in the
market the bigger the pressure on the other companies to support your file
format, the wider spread your file format the bigger the need for your
software, the bigger the need for your software the stronger your place in
the market, the stronger your place in the market the more pirates...

Also, pirating software is not lowering the price, a fact which can already
be understood by basic market principles: Pirating something is expressing
a demand, and the higher the demand, the higher the price. This is truly
what happens: By pirating MS Office, you prevent other companies (whose
product are fairly priced and of high quality) of earning money, thus
preventing competition on the software market, thus reducing the necessity
for the market leader to raise quality and lower the price.

In case you truly read till here, you will probably be able to draw the
conclusion yourself: Pirated software destroys the market /because/ it gave
Microsoft its leading position and is now cementing it! Pirating MS Office
is not harming Microsoft, but all these small manufacturer's whose fairly
priced product you otherwise might have bought -- and that way, in the end
you are harming yourself by granting a monopoly.
 
J

Joe P

Exactly! So people should complain to the sender whenever they receive
any proprietary file format and demand an open standard. Ask for rich
text, PDF, anything other than a format that locks you in to the market
leader.

And don't pirate, use the best freeware choices. Isn't that why most of
us are in this group?

Joe

Onno Tasler wrote:
 
F

Fran

PDF? I thought Acrobut has all but the monopoly on the format. Never could
see why so many people like it, anyway.
 
J

JIM

Joe said:
Exactly! So people should complain to the sender whenever they receive
any proprietary file format and demand an open standard. Ask for rich
text, PDF, anything other than a format that locks you in to the market
leader.

And don't pirate, use the best freeware choices. Isn't that why most of
us are in this group?

Joe

Onno Tasler wrote:


the end

I recall something from back in the bad old DOS days.

I was at one of the first "software" awards conference when there was a
real boo-ha after the selection of COPYIIPC for an award.

COPYIIPC was a copy program used to duplicate a floppy disk for personal
backup and security reasons.

Not that anyone would ever make a copy of anything for a friend. ;)

-Jim
 
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[quoting a previous post]
I think Thunderbird has finally surpassed OE in the bad quoting
department. :(

I don't mean to single you out, JIM; it's the software's fault, not
yours.
 
B

Bill Yerkes

Very well reasoned and presented.

Onno said:
Because there have been requests for pirated software lately, I would like
to say some words to this topic. Not the standard "It is illegal, do not do
it", neither do I want to warn about the possible dangers, at least
Microsoft sees no sense in prosecuting ordinary private home users for
pirating software - it is probably to expensive compared to the loss.
Instead, I want to try to explain which effects pirating software has.

There are two, seemingly contradicting positions towards pirated software:
"It destroys the software market!" does the one side say, "Only this way,
Microsoft could get its position!" the other proclaims.

Now, who is right? The BSA or the software pirates? Or are both wrong? I
would say neither nor, both are right - and both lie, nonetheless. Seems a
bit confusing, but hold on.

First, let's think whose software is the one that is pirated most often?
Usually, it is the market leaders software. Taking a look at the statistics
verifies this assertion, MS Office and MS Windows are not only market
leader in their respective markets but also the programs in that market
which are pirated the most often. In some areas the pirated versions of MS
Office alone have a bigger share of the market than the second placed
competitor!

It is a well known fact in Marketing (and not only there) that the market
leader often has an advantage just by being the market leader, but in the
software market being the market leader has even a bigger advantage. Since
office computers are most often used to exchange data, all other programs
have to be able to import the market leaders file formats, while the market
leader itself can afford having only import filters for the numbers three
and four (or sometimes none at all). People will rather ask why someone
uses "such a strange format" instead of the "standard format" of the market
leaders software than complain toward the manufacturer of the own program.

(This applies to almost any kind of software, even though the specific
reasons differs by application. Games for example have a smaller need for
exchanging data, but while playing the market leaders game you cannot play
the competitors [much cheaper] game either.)

Thus, having a big market share is a big advantage in the software market
because it allows one to somehow dictate the used file formats. Or would
anybody consider putting Word Perfect files on his homepage when the file
is meant for general access? Few think twice about doing so with a MS Word
document, it is expected to be readable by everyone.

Pirating software increases your share of the market, thus gives you the
advantage of a commonly used software, mentioned above. For that reason,
many companies started to give away their software for free for home users,
because that is the only way they see they can compete in this market. This
leads to point 2: Pirating software destroys the market. Of course,
companies who specialised in writing software for the private sector are
the losers of this game, their chosen home is turned into a battlefield.
Even though their software might have been well written, fairly priced and
better suited for private use they stand just no chance against the
professional software which is given away for free. The effect remains the
same even if the big players are not giving away their software for free on
purpose but just by ignoring the pirated versions (as MS does).

This way, of the many manufacturers that were there in the beginning only a
few remain. What remains is a market with a strong market leader and a
handful of small competitors, which are often specialised in certain niche.
Of course, this destroys the market -- one of the main requirements for a
working market is competition, after all.

Thus, in a vicious circle, the market share (to which the pirated versions
count) improves the position of a company, the better the position in the
market the bigger the pressure on the other companies to support your file
format, the wider spread your file format the bigger the need for your
software, the bigger the need for your software the stronger your place in
the market, the stronger your place in the market the more pirates...

Also, pirating software is not lowering the price, a fact which can already
be understood by basic market principles: Pirating something is expressing
a demand, and the higher the demand, the higher the price. This is truly
what happens: By pirating MS Office, you prevent other companies (whose
product are fairly priced and of high quality) of earning money, thus
preventing competition on the software market, thus reducing the necessity
for the market leader to raise quality and lower the price.

In case you truly read till here, you will probably be able to draw the
conclusion yourself: Pirated software destroys the market /because/ it gave
Microsoft its leading position and is now cementing it! Pirating MS Office
is not harming Microsoft, but all these small manufacturer's whose fairly
priced product you otherwise might have bought -- and that way, in the end
you are harming yourself by granting a monopoly.
 
O

Onno Tasler

Fran scribebat:
PDF? I thought Acrobut has all but the monopoly on the format.

Adobe created and maintained it, but laid the definitions open so that
everybody can write a software to read and create PDFs. Otherwise, you are
right, Adobe controls the definition of new PDF-versions.
Never could see why so many people like it, anyway.

Well, at the moment it is the most efficient way to exchange layouted
documents, including encryption and signatures. The DTP-people likes it a
lot because it makes their life so much easier.
 
O

Onno Tasler

Joe P scribebat:
Exactly! So people should complain to the sender whenever they receive
any proprietary file format and demand an open standard.

Yes, that is a good choice of behaviour.
And don't pirate, use the best freeware choices. Isn't that why most of
us are in this group?

Yes, luckily it is. That is why I presented the text here, for allowing
group members to argue against software piracy without appearing as kind of
BSA-agents. There are so many myths about software piracy that it is
difficult to discuss about it, I just wanted to expound some consequences.
 
C

Conor

PDF? I thought Acrobut has all but the monopoly on the format. Never could
see why so many people like it, anyway.
[/QUOTE]
Quite easy I would've thought...

You can guarantee that the person opening it will get it laid out
exactly how you intended it to be seen. PDFs can't end up having all the
layout screwed from vesion incompatibility/problems with file format.
 
R

Roger Johansson

Conor said:
You can guarantee that the person opening it will get it laid out
exactly how you intended it to be seen. PDFs can't end up having all
the layout screwed from vesion incompatibility/problems with file
format.

For that purpose you can use png, gif, or jpg file format, they give
total control of the final result and are a lot easier to handle than
PDF.

PDF is not good for documents you may want to change or disassemble
again. It is a display format, not a document format.

HTML is a much better format. It is free, open, well known, there are
thousands of programs for viewing and editing HTML.

HTML allows the final user to adjust the display to suit the viewer.

PDF is a stupid file format, popular among stupid control freaks.

A few years later they show up here and ask for some way to restore the
original documents from the pdf files they have created.

PDF's should never be created, only un-created, or ignored. No
intelligent person will ever put anything really valuable in the PDF file
format.

Don't support Microsoft and Adobe by using Internet Explorer, Outlook
Express or PDF's. There is no need for their proprietary crap, there are
good and free alternatives.
 
H

H-Man

For that purpose you can use png, gif, or jpg file format, they give
total control of the final result and are a lot easier to handle than
PDF.

Graphics formats are really good at presenting graphics, but are not so
good at representing text. Text quality in a PDF file is much easier to
read in a PDF as it is represented in a vector format.
PDF is not good for documents you may want to change or disassemble
again. It is a display format, not a document format.

This is very true, and when used as such is very effective.
HTML is a much better format. It is free, open, well known, there are
thousands of programs for viewing and editing HTML.

Not true. A formatted document may include fonts not on the recipients
system and will not be properly rendered. Graphics are seperate files so
you can't keep things in a single container like a PDF. PDF is popular
because it does many things very well that you can't get in other formats.
HTML allows the final user to adjust the display to suit the viewer.

I'm not sure I understand this but PDF is intended to show the document the
same way, same format, same layout on any supported platform that a
compatable reader might be on. Can't do this with any other format I know
of, not even HTML, as pages get redered differently on different platforms
with different fonts. Even different browsers on the same machine have
differences.
PDF is a stupid file format, popular among stupid control freaks.

Huh? You have no use for it so name calling is in order?
Bad form!
It is no different, from that regard, than faxing a document to someone.
Are all people who use fax machines control freaks?
A few years later they show up here and ask for some way to restore the
original documents from the pdf files they have created.

This is true, people do need to understand that PDF is a one way
conversion, kinda like printing out a document created in your word
processor. Once it's on paper, you can mark it up, but you need the word
processor and original file to really edit it.
PDF's should never be created, only un-created, or ignored. No
intelligent person will ever put anything really valuable in the PDF file
format.

Your choice.
Don't support Microsoft and Adobe by using Internet Explorer, Outlook
Express or PDF's. There is no need for their proprietary crap, there are
good and free alternatives.

By using PDF, you aren't really supporting Adobe bercause the reader is
given away for free, and free alternatives exist, and many freewares exist
to create PDFs. You really don't need Adobe for anything. In contrast, if
you use proprietory Microsoft formats, you help cement the format creators
market position as no freeware alternatives exist to faithfully reder the
format. The obvious exceptions here are the freewares that have done an
exceptional job reverse engineering the formats, but it is still hit and
miss with this in my opinion.
 
D

Dewey Edwards

For that purpose you can use png, gif, or jpg file format, they give
total control of the final result and are a lot easier to handle than
PDF.

For who? Certainly NOT the author.
PDF is not good for documents you may want to change or disassemble
again. It is a display format, not a document format.

That's it's purpose. For documents you have NO right to change, it
shouldn't be easy to do so. It's an author's choice.
HTML is a much better format. It is free, open, well known, there are
thousands of programs for viewing and editing HTML.

Again, it's an author's choice.
HTML allows the final user to adjust the display to suit the viewer.

Was it Rumsfeld, who demanded that all classic (immodest) art be
"covered" before he entered the room? Kind of kills the author's
message, doesn't it?
 
O

Onno Tasler

Roger Johansson scribebat:
For that purpose you can use png, gif, or jpg file format, they give
total control of the final result and are a lot easier to handle than
PDF.

Oh yeah, then please tell me how to create a .PNG from my term paper for
printing at university or a copy shop. Up to now, I used .PDFs for this. It
was quite easy, just clicking on "create PDF" in OOo. The size was quite
small as well, it fitted easily on a floppy disk.

Before you come along with .RTF, I tried this - it failed. The document got
completely messed up when I printed it on the university's PC.
HTML is a much better format. It is free, open, well known, there are
thousands of programs for viewing and editing HTML.

No, HTML is better for another purposes. It is not generally better. HTML
is meant for transporting content regardless of look, PDF is meant for
carrying look regardless of content.

http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/pdf/index_reference.html
| The PDF Reference provides a description of the Portable Document Format
| and is intended for application developers wishing to develop
| applications that create PDF files directly, as well as read or modify
| PDF document content.

As you see, the specifications for PDF are open as well. Go to the page I
linked and download them for yourself. Write this other PDF-Reader, it is
not only allowed, but, as you can read in the quoted paragraph, Adobe even
encourages you to do so.

BTW, I know at least three different free programs which can create PDF's:
OpenOffice.org, pdfTeX and Ghostscript.
No intelligent person will ever put anything really valuable in the PDF
file format.

That is nonsense. Any DTP'ler does this, because there is no better way for
sending your layouted document to a printer. Even if you might be unable to
imagine it, there are (quite a lot) of cases where having control over the
way a document is displayed is quite important. What no sane person will do
is keeping only a PDF of their data for storage purposes.
 
B

Bob Adkins

That is nonsense. Any DTP'ler does this, because there is no better way for
sending your layouted document to a printer. Even if you might be unable to
imagine it, there are (quite a lot) of cases where having control over the
way a document is displayed is quite important. What no sane person will do
is keeping only a PDF of their data for storage purposes.

Onno,

I have no problem with PDF format, but do with the PDF reader. I find
Acrobat is heavy and cumbersome.

Do you know of another reader besides Acrobat that actually works?

Thanks,,,

-- Bob
 
D

dszady

[...]
Was it Rumsfeld, who demanded that all classic (immodest) art be
"covered" before he entered the room? Kind of kills the author's
message, doesn't it?

John Ashcroft
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

For that purpose you can use png, gif, or jpg file format, they give
total control of the final result and are a lot easier to handle than
PDF.

PDF is not good for documents you may want to change or disassemble
again. It is a display format, not a document format.

HTML is a much better format. It is free, open, well known, there are
thousands of programs for viewing and editing HTML.

HTML allows the final user to adjust the display to suit the viewer.

PDF is a stupid file format, popular among stupid control freaks.

A few years later they show up here and ask for some way to restore the
original documents from the pdf files they have created.

PDF's should never be created, only un-created, or ignored. No
intelligent person will ever put anything really valuable in the PDF file
format.

Excuse the lack of snipping, but I think that's all relevant. I agree
with much of what you say; I personally feel that the .pdf format is
grossly overused and .rtf would usually be equally good and more
parsimonious in bandwidth.

However, the main use of .pdf is for business and law, where forms and
documents are required that can be, to all intents and purposes,
guaranteed not to be altered by the end-user and to conform to a
specified layout, content and format.

As an example, the Births, Deaths and Marriages Registration Service
in Scotland uses .pdf for all its computerised forms. Each document
has considerable legal import and both registrar and client know that
these forms are fixed and will not fail to be acceptable for their
intended puposes. Genuinely, it has its uses for which nothing else
would be better. Unfortunately, that's not where we mostly see it :-(
 
J

JanC

Bob Adkins schreef:
Do you know of another reader besides Acrobat that actually works?

GSview + GhostScript works.
And there are some payware viewers too.

And if you are on a linux/bsd/unix system, there is xpdf/gpdf/kpdf/etc.
 
R

Roger Johansson

Not true. A formatted document may include fonts not on the recipients
system and will not be properly rendered. Graphics are seperate files
so you can't keep things in a single container like a PDF. PDF is
popular because it does many things very well that you can't get in
other formats.

It should be up to the end user to decide what fonts he likes and want to
use when reading.
I'm not sure I understand this but PDF is intended to show the document
the same way, same format, same layout on any supported platform that a
compatable reader might be on. Can't do this with any other format I
know of, not even HTML, as pages get redered differently on different
platforms with different fonts. Even different browsers on the same
machine have differences.

You forget that people are different and have different needs and wishes.

The information is not in the layout or the fonts, the information is in
the text and in the pictures. The layout is a personal preference.
 
H

H-Man

It should be up to the end user to decide what fonts he likes and want to
use when reading.

This is not the case if I send you a document in a non-proprietory word
processing format. I agree with you that if you wish for the end user to
have this flexability, then please feel free to send documents in HTML. I
am not saying that it's a bad idea, just saying that it's not for everyone.
You forget that people are different and have different needs and wishes.

This is true, seems in your post you forgot this as well. I completely
agree, and shouldn't have implied that sending docs in HTML is wrong. As
you've said, people have different needs, and PDF fills one of those needs.
I agree, however, that it doesn't fill everyone's needs.
The information is not in the layout or the fonts, the information is in
the text and in the pictures. The layout is a personal preference.

That's not always true, as layout can convey a great deal of information,
but essentially you are correct. Condsider this, a well layed out document
can convey professionalism, and image. If the user decides to have their
system use kiddie fonts, it can make a professional document look far less
professional. Not eveyone out there has the sense to consider that they
have chosen these fonts, they only consider what they see. For business
anyway, I think PDF's will be around for a while.

I would also consider the way the two document types are created. One way
uses the document creation software of your choice, available to everyone
who can use a computer. The other requires either a web page creation
program, or HTML programming knowledge. Not nearly as comfortable as using
your favorite word processor for most people anyway.

Again, I'm not saying to you that you shouldn't do things the HTML way, I'm
just saying that one should consider peoples needs, and one flavor
definitely does not suit all.
 

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