What was planned for Longhorn?

[Marc Nutty]

Hi,

Well being relatively new to Windows beta releases (since beta 2 was
released) can anyone tell me (or give a link to) ideas which MS planned for
Longhorn/Vista but due to technical or coding faults they werent able to
finally implement?

cheers,

 

[Beck]

Hi,

Well being relatively new to Windows beta releases (since beta 2 was
released) can anyone tell me (or give a link to) ideas which MS planned
for Longhorn/Vista but due to technical or coding faults they werent able
to finally implement?

I am sure I read somewhere ages ago MS wanted to have a 1 second boot up
time.

 

[Intel Inside]

Considering that you are "relatively new to Windows beta releases" I think a
more appropriate approach would be to familiarise yourself with what Vista
*does* include rather than what it does not.

 

[Beck]

Considering that you are "relatively new to Windows beta releases" I think
a more appropriate approach would be to familiarise yourself with what
Vista *does* include rather than what it does not.

Did you get out of bed the wrong way? Its only a discussion ;-)

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

This is implemented. The support is in fact in Vista to take advantage of
the new hybrid drives and such drives should be available in a few months.
A hybrid drive has flash memory on board and the idea is to cache the system
there so that on power up Windows is just there without the delay caused by
reading from the hdd.

See: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/hybrid.mspx

 

[Beck]

This is implemented. The support is in fact in Vista to take advantage of
the new hybrid drives and such drives should be available in a few months.
A hybrid drive has flash memory on board and the idea is to cache the
system there so that on power up Windows is just there without the delay
caused by reading from the hdd.

Ah right so its dependent on a new type of drive?
Thanks for the clarification Colin.

 

[Intel Inside]

No I'm not having a bad day.
I thought it was a logical deduction for the fellow to focus on features
that were actually implemented.
It appears that you do not concur, and your comment has been noted.

 

[Beck]

No I'm not having a bad day.
I thought it was a logical deduction for the fellow to focus on features
that were actually implemented.
It appears that you do not concur, and your comment has been noted.

I think its good to discuss both.
I see no harm in discussing the future of Vista and if that involves
discussion of what might have been then so be it. This is not just a place
for people who have Vista problems

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Yes, it is dependent on the new technology.

Ah right so its dependent on a new type of drive?
Thanks for the clarification Colin.

 

[Marc Nutty]

Ok, so thanks for all the replies...

Would I be right in saying that Vista is here to stay for longer than
previous versions of Windows? For example., there will be no need for a
'Next' Windows until technology is introduced that will need a new OS?

 

[Beck]

Ok, so thanks for all the replies...

Would I be right in saying that Vista is here to stay for longer than
previous versions of Windows? For example., there will be no need for a
'Next' Windows until technology is introduced that will need a new OS?

Who knows. MS are probably working on the next OS after Vista right now.
Trouble is with technology is that it is forever changing and changing too
quickly. For example we have seen a triple in processor speeds in only 5
years. Forget dual core processors, they are probably working on designing
triple core now.

 

[Beck]

This is implemented. The support is in fact in Vista to take advantage of
the new hybrid drives and such drives should be available in a few months.
A hybrid drive has flash memory on board and the idea is to cache the
system there so that on power up Windows is just there without the delay
caused by reading from the hdd.

See: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/hybrid.mspx

Interesting. Do you think that a current laptop would accomodate a hybrid
drive or would it require a new special motherboard?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I think it would only require a BIOS update (in addition to the new style
drive). The problem would be how to boot from the hard drive if the flash
memory boot fails. I would think that the flash memory would have to appear
as a boot device so you could change the boot priority setting just as you
might for a cd drive to get around such a corruption.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Vista is a milestone. Windows is a long-term project (the roadmap covers
the next ten or twenty years). The next milestone is Vienna and overall
planning has been underway for a little while. Carry-over features not
implemented in Vista plus features still on the roadmap for Windows but
requiring a lot more work to implement form the core of Vienna. Some
features on the long-range roadmap await developments in technology and/or
standards and protocols.

 

[Homer J. Simpson]

Would I be right in saying that Vista is here to stay for longer than

previous versions of Windows?

Well, for one, Steve Ballmer has gone on the record to say that he doesn't
want to wait yet another 5 years before the next version of Windows is
released.

Personally, one thing I'll miss about this phase we're currently in is that
you're pretty much guaranteed that any hardware you buy now has XP drivers
right in the box. In the late 90's, MS went ape-shit with new
releases...95/a/b/c, NT4, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000...all within 5 years. That was
just too much.

With Vista, we're getting back to the
wait-for-brand-new-drivers-and-pray-they-work phase.

 

[Peter]

I am sure I read somewhere ages ago MS wanted to have a 1 second boot up
time.

That sounds exactly like a computer without Windows only running DOS from
floppy
I remember when i have used XP for more than two months it was about 3 to 4
minutes before i was able to use the computer with all programs loaded...
Vista is about the same...


// peter

 

[Bill Condie]

<<I remember when i have used XP for more than two months it was about 3 to
4
minutes before i was able to use the computer with all programs loaded...
Vista is about the same...

That's not XP or Vista. It's a computer problem.

I've just been through the same with one XP Pro machine and SVCHOST.

Finally fixed it, but I don't know how :-(