What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors?

[Ant]

Hello,

I live in Los Angeles, CA area. I'd like to know if there are any stores
that still sell new CRT monitors (17" size). I am still not impressed
with LCD monitors because I don't always use the native screen
resolutions, have accurate colors as CRT, refresh since I play games and
watch videos (especially action ones), etc.

Thank you in advance.
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[chrisv]

Hello,

I live in Los Angeles, CA area. I'd like to know if there are any stores
that still sell new CRT monitors (17" size). I am still not impressed
with LCD monitors because I don't always use the native screen
resolutions, have accurate colors as CRT, refresh since I play games and
watch videos (especially action ones), etc.

Thank you in advance.

Good luck with that. No one wants to stock bulky and unfashionable
CRT monitors anymore. Fortunately you can still buy them online.

The bad news is that the models available are generally of mediocre
quality, as the high-performance models like the Sony F5XX and the
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro have been discontinued. Today's cut-rate 21"
CRT monitor is barely able to squeak-out 76Hz at 1600x1200.

 

[Ant]

Good luck with that. No one wants to stock bulky and unfashionable
CRT monitors anymore. Fortunately you can still buy them online.

The bad news is that the models available are generally of mediocre
quality, as the high-performance models like the Sony F5XX and the
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro have been discontinued. Today's cut-rate 21"
CRT monitor is barely able to squeak-out 76Hz at 1600x1200.

Thanks. That's a bummer about those higher ends. I don't need those big
ones and I can't even fit it on my desk. Heh. 17" is the maximum I can
go for its width. I wished SED was here so I can buy a LCD monitor.
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[Bob Myers]

Ant wrote:

Good luck with that. No one wants to stock bulky and unfashionable
CRT monitors anymore.

Which is primarily because no one wants to make them anymore.
Not the monitors, so much - there are still any number of places in
Taiwan, China, etc., that could do that - but the CRTs themselves.
Samsung's still making desktop-monitor types of CRTs in Korea,
but outside of that the vast majority of monitor CRT product (what's
left of it, at least) is in mainland China and elsewhere in S.E. Asia,
and it's almost completely aimed at very entry-level products.

Bob M.

 

[FKS]

eBay is your only hope.

 

[rjn]

I live in Los Angeles

And buy Sony.

Assume you'll need to cart it to San Diego for refurb.

 

[Bob Myers]

Assume you'll need to cart it to San Diego for refurb.

Bob, I'm not even sure they still DO that in Sandy Eggo....
been quite some time since I was down there, though.


Bob M.

 

[Guy]

Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.

 

[Ant]

Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.

Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area.
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[willbill]

Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area.

what's wrong with buying mail order?

my 22" and 19" Philips monitors came with
prepaid repair shipping both ways for the
1st 12 months. odds are it also applies to
the 17" Philips CRT that Newegg currently has

to confirm call Philips toll free support at
1-877-835-1838

fwiw, my prior response was intended to caution
you that getting an acceptable CRT monitor is
likely going to take one or two returns

afaik, buying a CRT monitor from a local source
(at a likely higher price) is unlikely to shield
you from having to return it

all ears

bill

 

[Ant]

Ant wrote:

what's wrong with buying mail order?

Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see
them in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor.

fwiw, my prior response was intended to caution
you that getting an acceptable CRT monitor is
likely going to take one or two returns

Plus, shipping fees are expensive!!
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[willbill]

Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see
them in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor.

imho, you need to start thinking straight

just seeing the monitor in a store means nothing.
the pix that newegg provides are adequate for that

what really counts are the specs and whether
there is free shipping both ways if there
are problems with the new unit that you get

... and what the CRT actually does when you
get it on your desktop

plus if it shows up with something seriously
wrong, newegg will help for the 1st 30 days

Plus, shipping fees are expensive!!

UPS ground is cheap

since you're in LA, it won't take
much of a beating (assuming they ship
it from City Of Industry, which is
where mine were shipped from)

the outfit Philips uses for repair,
Teleplan, is in Kentucky; and they
use DHL ground both ways (the best, imo).
they pay both way for the 1st 12 months.
years 2/3, you pay to send it, but they
still pay for the return

bill

 

[willbill]

"chrisv" wrote

fwiw, CRT monitors are clearly still the best

i know that you know that, but it's clear to
me the bob myers is a fan boy of flat screen

Which is primarily because no one wants to make them anymore.
Not the monitors, so much - there are still any number of places in
Taiwan, China, etc., that could do that - but the CRTs themselves.
Samsung's still making desktop-monitor types of CRTs in Korea,
but outside of that the vast majority of monitor CRT product (what's
left of it, at least) is in mainland China and elsewhere in S.E. Asia,
and it's almost completely aimed at very entry-level products.

fwiw, both my new Philips 22" CRT and 19" CRT
monitors are made in China

fwiw#2, i also have a very recent and very
decent 20" (4x3) Samsung 204B (1600x1200)

both Philips CRTs (shadom mask units) are
hands down better than the decent Samsung
204B flat screen, despite my aggrevation
with having to return them (the CRTs)
3x (so far)

no cost (for the returns) = no worries

assumming that the returned units will
give life for up to 10 years (like my
great ViewSonic 21" PT813 did)

i should be so lucky with the Samsung 204B

bill

 

[Bob Myers]

imho, you need to start thinking straight

In MY humble opinion, he's thinking just right already.

just seeing the monitor in a store means nothing.
the pix that newegg provides are adequate for that

Wow - you can see whether or not you like the overall image quality, the
focus (since we're talking about a CRT here), the geometry (ditto),
the contrast, etc., etc., etc. from looking at a photo on a web site?
That's pretty impressive.

what really counts are the specs and whether
there is free shipping both ways if there
are problems with the new unit that you get

Specs are meaningful only if (a) you are given a complete and
accurate set, (b) you know how to interpret them, and (c) all
of the products you're looking at provide the needed specs
using the same measurement methods and with the numbers
presented in a standard, comparable form. Without (a) and
(c), you don't really know much of anything, and few customers
are really capable of (b).

Bob M.

 

[willbill]

"The" bob myers? Wow...I'm a "the."

yes you are a "the"

do you still work for HP?

even if you don't, you clearly still
present youself as a "the"

But no, I'm not a "fan boy"

very doubtful

in my extensive experience with the
web's usenet, yes you *are* a fan boy
of both flat screen PC monitors, and
also of Intel CPUs, even though you
very recently started an interesting
thread in the ..chips newsgroup
regarding you having actually
recently bought an AMD CPU/modo

- I'm just someone who's been working in computer monitors
and other electronic displays for about 25 years now.

what a bunch of crud!

again, do you still work for HP?

The fact is
that the "flat screen," and specifically the LCD, is the 800-pound
gorilla in this market right now.

my very recent experience with CRT and
high end digital flat screen sez otherwize

the 800-pound gorilla is still the CRT
(in more ways than one). why is it that
you are so truly dumb on this?

you are a fan boy. admit it!

all ears

bill

 

[Bob Myers]

fwiw, CRT monitors are clearly still the best

"Best" is a value judgement, and it clearly depends on exactly what
you're looking for in a monitor. There most definitely are some areas
in which the CRT excels - there are others where it doesn't. The right
choice of monitor depends on what each individual is looking for.

By the way, be a bit more careful with your attributions. I didn't
write anything you've quoted above. I THINK chrisv wrote the line
beginning with "Good luck with that...," and he's completely right.
It's hard to find retail outlets that are willing to give shelf space to
CRT products these days. Not impossible, just hard. The CRT
monitors which are available now are almost entirely low-cost, entry-
level products on which the retailer (and the manufacturer, for that
matter) sees very little margin. Not that LCDs are much more
profitable - monitor LCD panels, with the exception of the high end
of that market, are basically commodity items today, with prices
not much over manufacturing costs.

i know that you know that, but it's clear to
me the bob myers is a fan boy of flat screen

"The" bob myers? Wow...I'm a "the." But no, I'm not a "fan
boy" - I'm just someone who's been working in computer monitors
and other electronic displays for about 25 years now. The fact is
that the "flat screen," and specifically the LCD, is the 800-pound
gorilla in this market right now. It may not always be so (although
there's certainly nothing on the horizon which is going to challenge
the LCD in the short term), but for now, it IS the truth. The CRT
has had a long (over 100 years) and distinguished history - and as
I said, it IS still the best at SOME things. The problem is that those
"some things" are not sufficiently important to the overall market to
justify continued CRT production for mainstream products. Hence
we see CRT plants shut down. You might not like that, but that's
not going to change what IS.

Bob M.

 

[willbill]

In MY humble opinion, he's thinking just right already.




Wow - you can see whether or not you like the overall image quality, the
focus (since we're talking about a CRT here), the geometry (ditto),
the contrast, etc., etc., etc. from looking at a photo on a web site?
That's pretty impressive.




Specs are meaningful only if (a) you are given a complete and
accurate set, (b) you know how to interpret them, and (c) all
of the products you're looking at provide the needed specs
using the same measurement methods and with the numbers
presented in a standard, comparable form. Without (a) and
(c), you don't really know much of anything, and few customers
are really capable of (b).

wow, you really are a fan boy of flat screen.

do you still work for HP?

anyhow, to me what is most meaningful is the
1st 30 days that you have a new monitor

short of that, the specs and dimensions get
my vote

despite the hassle i've gone thru with my
new 22" Philips CRT, it gets my vote over
my also new 20" Samsung 204B flatscreen

i routinely run the 22" CRT at 1920x1440
(75hz refresh) to 800x600 (75) to 640x480
(when i boot).

my Philips 19" CRT is usable at 1600x1200
and cost less than the 204B.

what's really still better are the blacks
and the gray scale and the response

bill

 

[Bob Myers]

yes you are a "the"

do you still work for HP?

Yes, I do, although every time I say that I also need to note that
I do not speak for the company here or in any other newsgroup;
any opinions given here are strictly my own.

very doubtful

I suppose it depends on just what you mean by "fan boy".

in my extensive experience with the
web's usenet, yes you *are* a fan boy
of both flat screen PC monitors, and
also of Intel CPUs, even though you
very recently started an interesting
thread in the ..chips newsgroup
regarding you having actually
recently bought an AMD CPU/modo

Now you apparently have me confused with someone else
(not at all unusual, and there's even more than one person with
my name working for my employer). I have absolutely no
opinion on Intel vs. AMD CPUs, and I have never written
anything to a .chips newsgroup. Re flat screen monitors, I'm
not even really giving an opinion here on that - simply reporting
the realities of the market.

what a bunch of crud!

Not at all; if you have some reason for disbelieving my
professional background, you might want to give it here.

my very recent experience with CRT and
high end digital flat screen sez otherwize

By "800 pound gorilla in this market," I refer to the fact that
LCD monitors presently account for well over 80% of the
worldwide desktop monitor market (by unit volume; in terms
of revenue, the LCD is already over 90% of the total dollar
volume of the market), and the share by both measures is
increasing. Almost all of the major manufacturers of high-end
CRT monitors have either exited the market or announced their
intention to do so (e.g., Sony, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Hitachi,
etc.); the remaining CRT displays in the desktop monitor market
are very low-end, entry level products, and a very, very few
high-end, specialized displays. If your "very recent experience"
contradicts any of this, then please state your case. Note that
this isn't about advantages or disadvantages in any given area
of performance - as I said, the CRT still enjoys some advantages
vs the LCD (or even other technologies). But even that situation
is very rapidly changing. And again, please note that I'm saying
nothing here regarding my own personal preferences (in point
of fact, I regularly use two different desktop monitors - one LCD,
and one CRT). But I also know the difference betwee personal
preference, and what's actually happening in the industry.

Bob M.

 

[Bob Myers]

what's really still better are the blacks
and the gray scale and the response

I'm not sure what you mean when you say the "gray
scale" is better - a better response curve, greater
dynamic range, what? Better blacks - unless you're
using the CRT under dark-room conditions, where the
lower black level is actually perceivable, I doubt this;
but if you ARE using the CRT in the dark, it should be
noted that this remaining advantage of the CRT is
rapidly going away. The CRT is no longet the champion
in terms of contrast/dynamic range (it's not the LCD, either
current, but LCDs ARE rapidly getting better in that regard).
By "response," I can only assume you mean response time -
and that is the other remaining major difference between the
two technologies. CRTs are faster in terms of response, but
it's also a very different sort of response - the CRT being
a true raster-scan device, while the LCD basically is a
"write and hold" sort of display. LCDs are now widely
available with response times well under a video frame
time - down in the 5 ms range and under - but the "hold"
behavior still makes for a different "look" to the display.
Various techniques are now being used to improve what's
called the "motion picture response time" - different from the
simple on/off transition rate - but those have to date mostly
been used in TV panels. They're only starting to trickle into
the monitor market.

But even that shows a very significant difference between the
two technologies - significant development is still going on in
the case of the LCD and other types. I can't recall the last
truly significant paper I saw on a new development in CRT
technology. R&D dollars go where the future is.

Bob M.

 

[willbill]

Yes, I do,

congrats, and i really mean that

otoh and imo and fwiw, your open anti
CRT position may risk your job

although every time I say that I also need to note that
I do not speak for the company here or in any other newsgroup;
any opinions given here are strictly my own.

agreed

you've been very upfront with stating
that every time i've seen

I suppose it depends on just what you mean by "fan boy".

to me "fan boy" means:
one who supports a future position even
though it isn't merited in the present

that was especially true 3 years ago,
when you posted strongly in favor of
flatscreen; also i'll grant that it's
a still closer call (against you) today

Now you apparently have me confused with someone else
(not at all unusual, and there's even more than one person with
my name working for my employer). I have absolutely no
opinion on Intel vs. AMD CPUs, and I have never written
anything to a .chips newsgroup.

interesting

we have a jerk by your name on the ..chips
n/g posting to his now being an owner of AMD
mobo/CPU, but still being a believer of Intel. :\

(see: Re: My lack of enthusiasm for AMD
dated: 1/12/2007)

Re flat screen monitors, I'm
not even really giving an opinion here on that - simply reporting
the realities of the market.




Not at all; if you have some reason for disbelieving my
professional background, you might want to give it here.




By "800 pound gorilla in this market," I refer to the fact that
LCD monitors presently account for well over 80% of the
worldwide desktop monitor market (by unit volume; in terms
of revenue, the LCD is already over 90% of the total dollar
volume of the market), and the share by both measures is
increasing. Almost all of the major manufacturers of high-end
CRT monitors have either exited the market or announced their
intention to do so (e.g., Sony, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Hitachi,
etc.); the remaining CRT displays in the desktop monitor market
are very low-end, entry level products, and a very, very few
high-end, specialized displays. If your "very recent experience"
contradicts any of this, then please state your case. Note that
this isn't about advantages or disadvantages in any given area
of performance - as I said, the CRT still enjoys some advantages
vs the LCD (or even other technologies). But even that situation
is very rapidly changing. And again, please note that I'm saying
nothing here regarding my own personal preferences (in point
of fact, I regularly use two different desktop monitors - one LCD,
and one CRT). But I also know the difference betwee personal
preference, and what's actually happening in the industry.

still sez to me that you are a flat
screen fan boy

i have a very recent Samsung 204B 20" flatscreen
(1600x1200) and a recent Philips 22" and 19" CRT

both CRTs get my vote over the 204B flatscreen

am i missing something?

bill