What is wrong with Norton?

[shawn]

I have heard okay things about Norton Corporate. My friends in help desk for
a pharmaseutical (sp?) company and that's what they use.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir and see
if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

 

[Unknown]

Very simply, NORTON causes various problems and is not needed. Why allow
something not needed to
cause problems???

 

[db ´¯`·.. >]

constructiveness is the
responsibility of norton.

simply because you have
not incurred any issues with
it, does not mean that
everyone else has not.

thus I really don't see the
point of your thread on this
newsgroup.

perhaps, the discussion and
sales pitch for norton should
be held at a norton newsgroup.

they do have one, right?
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[db ´¯`·.. >]

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

funny question....

I suppose if Bill G posted something
you would ask if he is the chairman
of Microsoft.

however, in all fairness for your
question: Al Gore is the inventor
of win patrol

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Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir and see if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

If it is a resource hog it doesn't seem to have any effect on my machine.
Never had any problems related to Norton as far as I know.

 

[Gerry]

Bill

Your have far more RAM than many home users have. Your computer can
therefore handle the high resource demands Norton makes.

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[Gerry]

Ian

Are you counting all the processes? Which are you counting?


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[Gerry]

Bear

It's impact will be less obvious with 2 gb RAM.

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Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir
and see if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

If it is a resource hog it doesn't seem to have any effect on my
machine. Never had any problems related to Norton as far as I know.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Never assume!

Bear

It's impact will be less obvious with 2 gb RAM.

Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir
and see if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

If it is a resource hog it doesn't seem to have any effect on my
machine. Never had any problems related to Norton as far as I know.

Isn't being a resource hog enough?

Bill P wrote:
I see lots of posts advising people not to install Norton products.
Would
someone please explain what the problem is and not just complain
that it is
a "resource hog".

 

[Gerry]

Assume what Bear? Bill P said he has 2 gb RAM.


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Never assume!

Bear

It's impact will be less obvious with 2 gb RAM.

Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir
and see if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

Bill P wrote:
If it is a resource hog it doesn't seem to have any effect on my
machine. Never had any problems related to Norton as far as I know.

Isn't being a resource hog enough?

Bill P wrote:
I see lots of posts advising people not to install Norton
products. Would
someone please explain what the problem is and not just complain
that it is
a "resource hog".

 

[Twayne]

I keep tripping over machines that have problems
caused by Norton
products. Yesterday I had one where the Norton
uninstall routine
refused to continue unless I gave it its install
CD, which, of
course, the client had discarded. This required
a lot of registry
hacking to really clean out all traces of the
various Norton
utilities. Peter Norton had some excellent ideas
in the old DOS days
but I now get the impression that the company
excels in ramming its
products down as many throats as possible, by
having it pre-installed
on new PCs.

Did you try their free removal tool? I've found
it does a pretty respectable job. Caveat is, it
gets rid of ALL Symantec products; no choice of
which one to remove! So you can't, say, get rid
of NIS and keep Ghost, etc.. But it seems to do
what it says it does.

Twayne

 

[xoactivity]

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]PA Bear, thanks for asking to clear up any confusion. You'll usually
see me as "BillP" or "BillPStudios". I have a pretty strong opinion
on Norton being a resource hog but as a professional courtesy I
wouldn't necessarily post it in public.

Bill Pytlovany

 

[Twayne]

Norton much like McAfee are resource hogs and

take over you computer
and sometimes do not even let you use it. I
don't like them for they
exibit much the same characteristics that
virus/malware programs do.
They happer your system, bog it down then hassle
you to purchase it.
Sometimes you can't even tell them not to bother
you anymore for they
still will. Just try to get them off your
machine, YOU CAN'T without
a special tool. Hmmm, that what I do to get rid
of virus/malware on
my customers machines...

lol, and you're an "installation specialist"? The
very wording of your post is pretty telling of a
few things about you.
Bill asked to not hear about just "resource
hogs" and what's that I see in your first
sentence?

 

[Twayne]

constructiveness is the

responsibility of norton.

simply because you have
not incurred any issues with
it, does not mean that
everyone else has not.

thus I really don't see the
point of your thread on this
newsgroup.

perhaps, the discussion and
sales pitch for norton should
be held at a norton newsgroup.

they do have one, right?

Hmm, likewise, I've always had good luck with
Norton/Symantec products also. IME the machines
that have had problems with Symantec/Norton stuff
had other problems, too. Take care of those and
the "dreaded" Norton stuff works just fine. The
only problem I've ever had with Norton stuff was
Symantec's screwing up the documentation so badly
during the switch-over, or machines that weren't
up to running MSO let alone Norton's stuff. And
my only gripe with Norton/Symantec is that it's
getting prohibitively expensive for
subscriptions - that is very close to becoming a
deal breaker for me. I don't mind paying for a
good product, but I do mind overpaying for a good
product which IMO has now occurred. Guess I'll
see when the time comes.

 

[Twayne]

Must be a grape grower:

Missing System Restore<----- Meaningless

Duplicate emails<-------- Nope

Emails wont send<-------- Sometimes with a slow
system/connection; so change your defaults if
you have that problem.

Resource hog<-------- Nope. Fix your system.
Use it on the system with resources it's
designed for.

Impossible to remove fully and COMPLETELY
without a reformat of system<------ Completely
wrong: Not even close to "impossible" and NEVER
requires a reformat of system for a full
removal.



Not enough then there is more

Long time ago when Peter Norton was at the helm
it was a fairly nice
suite. Since Symantec got a hold of it has been
trouble all the way

Norton wasn't even always a suite. It used to be
just a few separate utilities in the 'old days'.
Good stuff.

 

[Twayne]

I have heard okay things about Norton Corporate.

My friends in help
desk for a pharmaseutical (sp?) company and
that's what they use.

Norton is now owned by Symantec.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Hi
I see lots of posts advising people not to install Norton products. Would
someone please explain what the problem is and not just complain that it
is a "resource hog".
Regards Bill

See this recent thread. Just another Norton issue with OE.
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...c0-9056-8f4080be11aa&cat=&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1

 

[JS]

Yep, that's always been one of my biggest grips.
The tool removes all Symantec products, even
those you want to keep (Like Ghost).

Why can't they create a separate removal tool
for each product is beyond me. It doesn't take
any smart programming to accomplish this.

 

[almostbob]

never assume ::
that the impact will be less

secret norton opcode UseRam, allocates memory of SystemRam+64Kbytes

this attempt at humor failed dismally

the lawyers're after me for revealing corporate secrets

Actually Norton at 2009 has a smaller JackBootprint than 2007/8 (Way much)
Shocked I am
pc still bogs at boot time
so glad I have multiple bootables to mess with


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Assume what Bear? Bill P said he has 2 gb RAM.


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Never assume!

Bear

It's impact will be less obvious with 2 gb RAM.


PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Uninstall it, run the removal tool, reboot, install, e.g., AntiVir
and see if performance improves after several more reboots.

[Bill, are you the author of WinPatrol Bill P?]

Bill P wrote:
If it is a resource hog it doesn't seem to have any effect on my
machine. Never had any problems related to Norton as far as I know.

Isn't being a resource hog enough?

Bill P wrote:
I see lots of posts advising people not to install Norton
products. Would
someone please explain what the problem is and not just complain
that it is
a "resource hog".

 

[Gerry]

Bill

Nobody has mentioned the Symantec search engine. It been a while since I
used it but I doubt it has changed. Endless duplicated results mostly
not relevant to your query wasting hours of your time trying to find the
answer.

Another undesirable habit Symantec has. Buying market leaders, spending
no money on developing the product and ending support when revenues had
declined to the point it was not worth continuing.

Interfering with the operating system. It creates a major problem for an
inexperienced user at a difficult time when they need to use System
Restore.

How many software providers need to provide a Removal Tool for a user
wishing to uninstall. This is suppose to be a major software provider
not a new entrant to the software market.



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