What is the best way to scan book covers?

G

googleboy

I am having a bitch of a time... Partly because I am a bit anal about
getting things right, and I think my equipment is a bit deficient.
I have tried a mustek 1200 ub plus and a canon n670u. Both of these
seem to have an odd problem.

They don't seem to be quite properly square.

I put in a book, scan the cover, and the text is slightly off level. I
even tried doing things like using a metal rule in teh scanner to push
the book closer to the middle of the glass.

So I have to spend ages and ages adjusting the book ever so slightly
trying to get it right.

Second issue I have is the colours that I get back. Most of these
books are extremely spartan in their cover design. Nothing but a big
title on the front, a blurb on the back, a bar code all on a plain
solid single colour background.

What I get back in my scan is usually hundreds of colours, that
altogether may or may not approximate the colour of the book.

At this point, I haven't ruled out buying a new, newer scanner. But
I'd like to know these problems aren't still inherent in the latest
models.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Chau

Googleboy
 
D

Don

I am having a bitch of a time... Partly because I am a bit anal about
getting things right, and I think my equipment is a bit deficient.
I have tried a mustek 1200 ub plus and a canon n670u. Both of these
seem to have an odd problem.

They don't seem to be quite properly square.

That's a problem all flatbeds have to some degree. It's because
horizontal resolution is fixed (the distance between CCD cells) while
vertical resolution is "flexible" because it depends on the stepper
motor which shuffles the assembly down the scanner. Add to that the
slippage of various belts and cogs as well as the "stop-and-go" if
your bus can't keep up, and the vertical resolution ends up being a
very irregular approximation, at best.

I was also dismayed by this and ran a test where I scanned a ruler in
both orientations. It's quite an eye-opener!

I don't know if it's an option, but you may consider taking a picture
of the book with a digital camera (mounted on a tripod). That should
give you a perfectly square image but digicams have other problems,
even if you get one with acceptable resolution.

Also, it depends on what you intend to do with the scans.
Second issue I have is the colours that I get back. Most of these
books are extremely spartan in their cover design. Nothing but a big
title on the front, a blurb on the back, a bar code all on a plain
solid single colour background.

What I get back in my scan is usually hundreds of colours, that
altogether may or may not approximate the colour of the book.

You're probably experiencing what's known as a "moire" pattern. Are
these canvas covers? If the weave pattern and the scanner resolution
are just slightly off it will cause interference patterns. If
possible, try scanning at a higher resolution and then downsampling.

Otherwise, if you're examining the image at maximum magnification, and
noticing all sorts of colors that, again, is "normal". It's simply
noise and there are software solutions to "smooth this out" but some
people don't like it because it gives a "plastic" appearance. However,
this may not be as objectionable when scanning books. You can also try
to "fix" this by applying a small amount of Gaussian noise filtering.

The "proper" solution to suppress noise is to scan multiple times and
then average out. Some film scanners do this automatically
(multi-scanning). On flatbeds you'll have a problem of registration as
each scan will be slightly off. That means you will need to sub-pixel
align the images first before averaging them out.

Don.
 
T

TJ

Try scanning a photo and compare the results. Are your color issues
strictly book cover related or are your problems ubiquitous?

If you can stand it (I'm quite anal myself, so bear with me) try
scanning the book covers in grayscale or b&w. If the covers are as
simple as you say, perhaps this is a better option. If you wanted to
get real creative, you could then take your b&w scan, open in Photoshop
or another graphics app and colorize manually.

As far as the text being off level, I might have a way to fix that.
Someone pipe in if there's a better way to do this (I'm sure there is).
In fact, I'm sure there are some scanning programs that can fix that
skew for you automatically during the scanning process, but here's my
workaround because I have this problem too....

I do a lot of document scanning, importing to Adobe Acrobat, then
running OCR. During the OCR processes (and perhaps you can do this w/o
running OCR) the image is "deskewed". This, in effect, straightens up
the image. I then save the file as PDF. I'm *assuming* that you can
then take this PDF file and export as JPEG and the "deskewing" will
remain. Yes, a crazy workaround and it might not work as well as you'd
like, but I think it's worth a shot.

Please, some one save me from my crazy suggestion and let us know an
easy way to straighten up a scan!!
 
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false_dmitrii

googleboy said:
I am having a bitch of a time... Partly because I am a bit anal about
getting things right, and I think my equipment is a bit deficient.
I have tried a mustek 1200 ub plus and a canon n670u. Both of these
seem to have an odd problem.

Can't comment on your equipment.
They don't seem to be quite properly square.

I put in a book, scan the cover, and the text is slightly off level. I
even tried doing things like using a metal rule in teh scanner to push
the book closer to the middle of the glass.

So I have to spend ages and ages adjusting the book ever so slightly
trying to get it right.

It's close to impossible to get a scan that's perfectly parallel to the
image borders. If it really matters, perhaps you could find something
solid with a perfect right angle (a carpenter's square?), experiment
until you have it lined up properly, then attach it firmly over the
scanning area. Then you can line up the book against the square
instead of the edges of the case. That's assuming the text is
perfectly parallel to the book's edges. :)

For post-scan processing, the Windows-only image editors Corel Paint
Shop Pro and Ulead PhotoImpact have a very handy "straighten" tool that
works by having you align two points of a line along what ought to be a
horizontal line in your image. Takes away the guesswork. I couldn't
find a Photoshop Elements equivalent ("Straighten" made a mess of
things), but that program offers a real-time rotation tool that you
could use to eyeball the horizontal line as you adjust it. Note that
PSP, PI, and PE prior to v.3 are limited in their handling of color
managment and 16-bit-per-channel/48-bit/high bit depth images...if you
use them, try to feed them 8-bpc/24-bit images that have already been
converted to a color space (such as sRGB or AdobeRGB). There are
undoubtedly other image editors that offer similar straighten tools.
Second issue I have is the colours that I get back. Most of these
books are extremely spartan in their cover design. Nothing but a big
title on the front, a blurb on the back, a bar code all on a plain
solid single colour background.

What I get back in my scan is usually hundreds of colours, that
altogether may or may not approximate the colour of the book.

By "hundreds of colors," do you mean that you get some sort of unusual
pattern, a rainbow effect, or just more pixel-to-pixel variance within
a color range than you expected? If the former, it could be the moire
pattern Don suggested. If you scan at full DPI, or perhaps take a
magnifying glass to the cover, do you see any sort of fine line detail
that might be getting mushed together at your final DPI setting? Think
of it as similar to a split-second snapshot of the "motion" you see
when you look at a tiny barcode pattern. Remember that the scanner
will see the cover's *texture* as part of the 2D final image--texture
patterns count too. The solution for moire would be to scan at higher
DPI and apply a descreen filter in the scanner software or an image
editor, or apply a moire filter (PSP has one, not sure about the
others). You'll need to experiment with settings. Another possibility
could be interference from the scanner glass. If there's something on
it--cleaner, outgassing, or even just an aging coating, maybe the book
is pressing down on it and making an oil slick sort of effect. That's
just a wild guess. If it's less a "rainbow" or a pattern and more a
mottled appearance at full zoom, it might just be scanner noise. It's
hard to tell from your description.

If your main problem is a color shift in a particular direction, look
for color management settings in your scanner software. In one of my
first tests of color print scanning, I was bothered by a particular
shift from orange-red toward magenta. Switching the output color space
from the compressed sRGB to the wider AdobeRGB brought the colors much
closer to the original. You could also try using a standard color
chart to profile your scanner. If the color shift is consistent, a
single good profile will snap it back into place for multiple scans.
Full color management can be tricky (I only know some of the basics),
so if you don't already use it, you'll need to do some reading.
(There's also the possibility that your monitor isn't showing you what
the scanner sees. If it's not profiled and calibrated, try running
Adobe Gamma and seeing if things improve. Hardware-based calibration
is better, but AG should give you an idea if the monitor is a problem.)
Some inks and dyes will always show up differently under the scanner's
light than under ordinary (uncalibrated) room lighting; you'd have to
correct those in an image editor.
At this point, I haven't ruled out buying a new, newer scanner. But
I'd like to know these problems aren't still inherent in the latest
models.

The problems shouldn't be inherent in older models either. They might
be present, but if the hardware isn't malfunctioning, some of the above
suggestions should help.

I'm very much not an expert about all this, so no guarantees that my
answers are relevant. But I gave it my best shot. Hope it helps. :)
If I'm way off about anything, I'm sure someone will correct me.

false_dmitrii
 
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googleboy

Thanks for the fantastic replies. You guys have helped me quite a bit.

I will have a look for some of those filters and profiles in my current
imaging app (adobe fireworks) and try them out.

If I don't find them there, I will get myself a new imaging app!

Regards,

Googleboy
 

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