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Robert Schulze Lutum
Laurence Payne said:
Hear, hear!
What Joe wrote about how to practice is on the money, nevertheless.
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Hear, hear!
What Joe wrote about how to practice is on the money, nevertheless.
M
Mr Flowers
the best easyest programe in the world, guiar pro. i use it and its great,
so simple and you can also get tabs off the internet to use in it, so you
dont have to input the tab yourself.
so simple and you can also get tabs off the internet to use in it, so you
dont have to input the tab yourself.
M
marcj
in reply to all this stuff.....and a load of other stuff i've read here
recently.... there really is no substitute to learning an instrument
and music theory properly from the ground up. If you do this, with
proper instruction (ok, it costs money and time, and you should start
young , thats the pay off (but if i had a pound for every person who
said to me" i used to take piano lessons but gave it up because of the
piss that was taken by the "crowd", the jocks, the sports beefs etc.
whoever )) and a desire to learn, plus a bit of natural talent, self
discipline and a will to learn, these issues of slowing stuff down etc,
become irrelevent.
Your aural training enables you to pick up a PENCIL and write down
what you HEAR on MANUSCRIPT PAPER (see google for those that dont know
what that is) you can even pick out a guitar solo from a band
track!!!!!. or a triangle part from a full orchestra, or if you want to
go deep, the violin from the viola, you have to listen a few times
though, not many people can get it first time....... which makes this
quote from Jim Carr seem a bit strange to me....you HAVE to be able to
Hear the instrument you want from the rest of the "sound"
""""""""Right. That's why jugglers start with six balls, and pole
vaulters start at
18 feet, and gymnasts start with the most complex moves. """""""""""
well.........no and yes..........
"""""""""""""""I wish I had the ability to slow things down when I was
younger. I find it
invaluable today. It helps me wrap my brain around it."""""""""""
Well.............if you did it right at the start ( IF YOU WANT TO JUMP
IN NOW AS A BEGINNER) your brain would be wrapped around the part you
needed to learn / wanted to hear anyway, so the notes would be there,
either in your brain or on paper.....then, if you can do the notes
bit, the timing bit would follow COS YOU LEARNED HOW TO READ / WRITE
MUSIC .
Then as the same man Jim Carr, says...and i quote
"""""""""""If you can't play it slow, then you're not playing it right
fast. Once
you've got it down slow, speed it up utnil you start to mess up, then
back
it down a bit until you can do it right again. Practice some more, then
speed it up. Repeat until you can play it at full speed. Then slow it
down
again and make sure you didn't start cheating when you started going
fast. """"""""""
Hes 100% right.
BUT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHATS RIGHT OR WRONG (NOTES OR WHATEVER)
THEN.....you need a teacher.
so lets take it that you know all this..........
then you set about working out the correct fingereing (or.....
(insert your instruments)) then learn the part as you would any other
part as you did a thousand million times when you were learning to READ
MUSIC and LEARNING TO PLAY. Then we could all use this forum to ask
questions about cubase score printing or some other software related
problem that musicians might have / you would not have Lawrence Payne
shout or swear at you (sounds like a grumpy fu**er to me but he's
always there!! mostly right, i like him) / not upset moderators by
being off topic (like I am now) and we could all concentrate on CUBASE
Believe me, learn to play with a REAL teacher, it will save time if
you put the work in. software like cubase will not help you to be a
better musician. there are no cheats to this. just deception, tricks
and the like.
recently.... there really is no substitute to learning an instrument
and music theory properly from the ground up. If you do this, with
proper instruction (ok, it costs money and time, and you should start
young , thats the pay off (but if i had a pound for every person who
said to me" i used to take piano lessons but gave it up because of the
piss that was taken by the "crowd", the jocks, the sports beefs etc.
whoever )) and a desire to learn, plus a bit of natural talent, self
discipline and a will to learn, these issues of slowing stuff down etc,
become irrelevent.
Your aural training enables you to pick up a PENCIL and write down
what you HEAR on MANUSCRIPT PAPER (see google for those that dont know
what that is) you can even pick out a guitar solo from a band
track!!!!!. or a triangle part from a full orchestra, or if you want to
go deep, the violin from the viola, you have to listen a few times
though, not many people can get it first time....... which makes this
quote from Jim Carr seem a bit strange to me....you HAVE to be able to
Hear the instrument you want from the rest of the "sound"
""""""""Right. That's why jugglers start with six balls, and pole
vaulters start at
18 feet, and gymnasts start with the most complex moves. """""""""""
well.........no and yes..........
"""""""""""""""I wish I had the ability to slow things down when I was
younger. I find it
invaluable today. It helps me wrap my brain around it."""""""""""
Well.............if you did it right at the start ( IF YOU WANT TO JUMP
IN NOW AS A BEGINNER) your brain would be wrapped around the part you
needed to learn / wanted to hear anyway, so the notes would be there,
either in your brain or on paper.....then, if you can do the notes
bit, the timing bit would follow COS YOU LEARNED HOW TO READ / WRITE
MUSIC .
Then as the same man Jim Carr, says...and i quote
"""""""""""If you can't play it slow, then you're not playing it right
fast. Once
you've got it down slow, speed it up utnil you start to mess up, then
back
it down a bit until you can do it right again. Practice some more, then
speed it up. Repeat until you can play it at full speed. Then slow it
down
again and make sure you didn't start cheating when you started going
fast. """"""""""
Hes 100% right.
BUT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHATS RIGHT OR WRONG (NOTES OR WHATEVER)
THEN.....you need a teacher.
so lets take it that you know all this..........
then you set about working out the correct fingereing (or.....
(insert your instruments)) then learn the part as you would any other
part as you did a thousand million times when you were learning to READ
MUSIC and LEARNING TO PLAY. Then we could all use this forum to ask
questions about cubase score printing or some other software related
problem that musicians might have / you would not have Lawrence Payne
shout or swear at you (sounds like a grumpy fu**er to me but he's
always there!! mostly right, i like him) / not upset moderators by
being off topic (like I am now) and we could all concentrate on CUBASE
Believe me, learn to play with a REAL teacher, it will save time if
you put the work in. software like cubase will not help you to be a
better musician. there are no cheats to this. just deception, tricks
and the like.
J
Jim Carr
"""""""""""""""I wish I had the ability to slow things down when I was
younger. I find it
invaluable today. It helps me wrap my brain around it."""""""""""
Well.............if you did it right at the start ( IF YOU WANT TO JUMP
IN NOW AS A BEGINNER) your brain would be wrapped around the part you
needed to learn / wanted to hear anyway, so the notes would be there,
either in your brain or on paper.....then, if you can do the notes
bit, the timing bit would follow COS YOU LEARNED HOW TO READ / WRITE
MUSIC .
How exactly does your technique negate what I described? I'm not saying what
you describe won't work. I am simply asserting that what I describe works
for a lot of people.
Believe me, learn to play with a REAL teacher, it will save time if
you put the work in. software like cubase will not help you to be a
better musician. there are no cheats to this. just deception, tricks
and the like.
It's up to you to point out the deceptions, which you haven't done. A great
teacher is a great thing to have. And expensive.
L
Laurence Payne
(but if i had a pound for every person who
said to me" i used to take piano lessons but gave it up because of the
piss that was taken by the "crowd", the jocks, the sports beefs etc.
whoever ))
Is it really peer pressure that makes kids give up? I usually find
it's unwillingness to practice.
CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect
M
marcj
"""How exactly does your technique negate what I described? I'm not
saying what
you describe won't work. I am simply asserting that what I describe
works
for a lot of people. """
It doesn't. you're not wrong. I'm just saying that you wouldnt need to
slow it down if you really knew what you were looking for. if you learn
aural along with practical it becomes a second nature thing. therefore
you dont need to think so hard about it.
""""It's up to you to point out the deceptions, which you haven't done.
"""""
The deceptions started many years ago. Maelzel and his mechanical
orchestra during Beethovens time, the organ with instrument tabs and
rhythm sections, the first time a vocal was comped many, many years
before software was available to help you do it. Multi tracking its
self is a sort of deception, Les Paul (i think it was) had a great
time making those early tracks, but it WAS a trick ( but at least he
could play) it would be very very difficult get a handfull of
guitarists to play like that live. Multi-tracking and gating and
compressing can all enhance the sound of music but orchestras never
needed it before it came along, big bands managed, even early pop music
was a mono single track recording. Is it not a deception to buy a song
on the strength of the quality and sound of the vocal, only to see it
live and sound like shit with high notes substituted for lower
alternatives cos the singer didnt really have that range outside of the
studio, where he took 20 times to get that high b, and couldnt cut it
in one long take?
The deceptions and tricks are so much a part of this business now that
we think its normal. Shit, theres even software to automatically TUNE
things like voices.... I mean... come on!!. Its not going to go away
as long as sample CDs, loops, synthesizers etc exist. Who needs to pay
for a drummer for an hour or two if you can comp together a drum track
from cds in a few hours?
(who can afford a string section, and why do we need one, i've got a
logan string machine in the garage!!!) joke btw, but it dates me well!!
but as long as these things exist, isnt it more satisfying to make your
own loops, played by yourself or a fellow musician, and not computer
generated or bought (or stolen!!).
Give a half trained guitarist powerful software like cubase, he comes
up with a hit in his bedroom, gets a few bob, suddenly hes hyped by his
record company as a "sombody", other kids copy him cos he's cool, maybe
they become only half as trained as he is, great at using software but
still only a half trained musician, at what point do we stop calling it
the music business!!!!
Sorry, i'm not having a dig at any of these posts, i'm just fed up
listening to this shit that passes for chart music these days, and this
sort of half arsed way of hiding behind software instead of learning to
play gets my goat a bit. God, i'm not old, still in my 30s but I've
seen some top musicians in the studio practicing for gigs between
takes, and they take it very seriously indeed, plus their studio time
is taken with capturing the vibe of a riff rather than learning to play
the bloody thing.( some of the more shall we say....mature.. ones (no
names...they know who they are) still look at computers like they just
saw a martian for the first time. I even heard of one guy who has a
brand new boxed atari st1040 and steinberg24 that he bought cos he
thought he needed to keep up with technology and its still shrink
wrapped, never been opened. it'll be worth a few bob on ebay i bet,
but i digress...)
My point to the original poster is learn to play your chosen instrument
to the best of your ability using as natural methods as possible, (your
ears, brain, eyes and fingers) and stop looking for a quick fix via
software. We've all seen it on the telly, the miracle abs. machine,
the thigh buster, arse fat reducer machine,. all these things just dont
work as well as the real thing, DISCIPLIN. ( you couldnt get away with
it as a sportsman, if you couldnt run fast / throw far / hit hard or
swim, you wouldnt be in the game.)
Cubase is a great peice of recording software and of course it can help
in your learning an instrument, or music theory. you can find midi
files of most stuff out there to play along to and adjust the tempo as
you improve, you can see how the notes look in score editor and even
work out how to read the notes if you wanted to, it tells you what they
are!!, its even fun to make exercises up and just use cubase as a
metronome, all be it a very powerful metronome!! but please, lets
encourage people to get back to what should be the most important
things in making music, MUSIC and MUSICIANS.
We got way off topic here and i'm sorry
Jim says
A great teacher is a great thing to have. And expensive.
I agree, but i also think you ultimatly get your money back. If you
are prepared to pay £600 for software, £500 for a sound card plus
£700 or more for a computer that will all be obsolete in a few short
years, dont you think a few quid spent on your musical education is
money well spent, especially as the knowledge and technique learnt
basically lasts as long as you want it to.
The software............its great, its a fine tool that helps us
realise our recordings, gives us access to many things we could only
have dreamed of a few years ago. How many people had the chance to try
out 5 or 6 compressors without paying the cost of a small house for the
pleasure. I love software, its a great thing for me as a musician to
try out 4 bass lines to my piano part, to print out the chart that the
drummer will ultimatly use on the session and him not having to try to
read my hand-written scrawl, I love the fact that the original poster
here , or indeed any of you, would be able to come to my studio and
have more than a fair idea and knowledge of how MY studio works, cos
its fundamentally the same as yours. Indeed, the colaborative
possibilities are endless, we use voiceovers live and direct from the
USA to Spain, we swap projects via email, ftp a piano part to a server
for collection as and when its needed. Theres no man in a beige lab
coat and pen in his top pocket like the guy you see in the background
at abbey road studio pictures keeping the studio running!!! No separate
reverb plate room, machine room, miles of cable, tones of solder joints
or false mystique. It gives us all the chance to be all things,
engineer, producer, drummer, pianist, guitarist, string arranger. (Who
knows if thats good or bad). Cubase and software like it, Its just a
very good tool but its only as good as what you actually record in to
it. (theres a whole other argument about mics here!!! anyone?)
Learn to play well the old way, its the best thing you can do for
yourself. its the ONLY thing you can take in to a big studio that they
wont already have or can buy (your playing style)its much, much easier,
more satisfying ultimatly and you can spend the time u save recording
multiple takes and comping a track together writing whining whinging
posts like this to forums of lovely people who give tonnes of great
advice for FREE!!!!
Plus, if you're good enough, you can teach!!!!And keep the cycle going
that bit longer before we're reduced to a handfull of musicians and a
shit load of programmers.
Im not a teacher by the way, i'm not good enough, but i do still play
my instrument every day between and during cubase sessions!!.
Peace to all here, we're all going for the same thing at the end of the
day!!
saying what
you describe won't work. I am simply asserting that what I describe
works
for a lot of people. """
It doesn't. you're not wrong. I'm just saying that you wouldnt need to
slow it down if you really knew what you were looking for. if you learn
aural along with practical it becomes a second nature thing. therefore
you dont need to think so hard about it.
""""It's up to you to point out the deceptions, which you haven't done.
"""""
The deceptions started many years ago. Maelzel and his mechanical
orchestra during Beethovens time, the organ with instrument tabs and
rhythm sections, the first time a vocal was comped many, many years
before software was available to help you do it. Multi tracking its
self is a sort of deception, Les Paul (i think it was) had a great
time making those early tracks, but it WAS a trick ( but at least he
could play) it would be very very difficult get a handfull of
guitarists to play like that live. Multi-tracking and gating and
compressing can all enhance the sound of music but orchestras never
needed it before it came along, big bands managed, even early pop music
was a mono single track recording. Is it not a deception to buy a song
on the strength of the quality and sound of the vocal, only to see it
live and sound like shit with high notes substituted for lower
alternatives cos the singer didnt really have that range outside of the
studio, where he took 20 times to get that high b, and couldnt cut it
in one long take?
The deceptions and tricks are so much a part of this business now that
we think its normal. Shit, theres even software to automatically TUNE
things like voices.... I mean... come on!!. Its not going to go away
as long as sample CDs, loops, synthesizers etc exist. Who needs to pay
for a drummer for an hour or two if you can comp together a drum track
from cds in a few hours?
(who can afford a string section, and why do we need one, i've got a
logan string machine in the garage!!!) joke btw, but it dates me well!!
but as long as these things exist, isnt it more satisfying to make your
own loops, played by yourself or a fellow musician, and not computer
generated or bought (or stolen!!).
Give a half trained guitarist powerful software like cubase, he comes
up with a hit in his bedroom, gets a few bob, suddenly hes hyped by his
record company as a "sombody", other kids copy him cos he's cool, maybe
they become only half as trained as he is, great at using software but
still only a half trained musician, at what point do we stop calling it
the music business!!!!
Sorry, i'm not having a dig at any of these posts, i'm just fed up
listening to this shit that passes for chart music these days, and this
sort of half arsed way of hiding behind software instead of learning to
play gets my goat a bit. God, i'm not old, still in my 30s but I've
seen some top musicians in the studio practicing for gigs between
takes, and they take it very seriously indeed, plus their studio time
is taken with capturing the vibe of a riff rather than learning to play
the bloody thing.( some of the more shall we say....mature.. ones (no
names...they know who they are) still look at computers like they just
saw a martian for the first time. I even heard of one guy who has a
brand new boxed atari st1040 and steinberg24 that he bought cos he
thought he needed to keep up with technology and its still shrink
wrapped, never been opened. it'll be worth a few bob on ebay i bet,
but i digress...)
My point to the original poster is learn to play your chosen instrument
to the best of your ability using as natural methods as possible, (your
ears, brain, eyes and fingers) and stop looking for a quick fix via
software. We've all seen it on the telly, the miracle abs. machine,
the thigh buster, arse fat reducer machine,. all these things just dont
work as well as the real thing, DISCIPLIN. ( you couldnt get away with
it as a sportsman, if you couldnt run fast / throw far / hit hard or
swim, you wouldnt be in the game.)
Cubase is a great peice of recording software and of course it can help
in your learning an instrument, or music theory. you can find midi
files of most stuff out there to play along to and adjust the tempo as
you improve, you can see how the notes look in score editor and even
work out how to read the notes if you wanted to, it tells you what they
are!!, its even fun to make exercises up and just use cubase as a
metronome, all be it a very powerful metronome!! but please, lets
encourage people to get back to what should be the most important
things in making music, MUSIC and MUSICIANS.
We got way off topic here and i'm sorry
Jim says
A great teacher is a great thing to have. And expensive.
I agree, but i also think you ultimatly get your money back. If you
are prepared to pay £600 for software, £500 for a sound card plus
£700 or more for a computer that will all be obsolete in a few short
years, dont you think a few quid spent on your musical education is
money well spent, especially as the knowledge and technique learnt
basically lasts as long as you want it to.
The software............its great, its a fine tool that helps us
realise our recordings, gives us access to many things we could only
have dreamed of a few years ago. How many people had the chance to try
out 5 or 6 compressors without paying the cost of a small house for the
pleasure. I love software, its a great thing for me as a musician to
try out 4 bass lines to my piano part, to print out the chart that the
drummer will ultimatly use on the session and him not having to try to
read my hand-written scrawl, I love the fact that the original poster
here , or indeed any of you, would be able to come to my studio and
have more than a fair idea and knowledge of how MY studio works, cos
its fundamentally the same as yours. Indeed, the colaborative
possibilities are endless, we use voiceovers live and direct from the
USA to Spain, we swap projects via email, ftp a piano part to a server
for collection as and when its needed. Theres no man in a beige lab
coat and pen in his top pocket like the guy you see in the background
at abbey road studio pictures keeping the studio running!!! No separate
reverb plate room, machine room, miles of cable, tones of solder joints
or false mystique. It gives us all the chance to be all things,
engineer, producer, drummer, pianist, guitarist, string arranger. (Who
knows if thats good or bad). Cubase and software like it, Its just a
very good tool but its only as good as what you actually record in to
it. (theres a whole other argument about mics here!!! anyone?)
Learn to play well the old way, its the best thing you can do for
yourself. its the ONLY thing you can take in to a big studio that they
wont already have or can buy (your playing style)its much, much easier,
more satisfying ultimatly and you can spend the time u save recording
multiple takes and comping a track together writing whining whinging
posts like this to forums of lovely people who give tonnes of great
advice for FREE!!!!
Plus, if you're good enough, you can teach!!!!And keep the cycle going
that bit longer before we're reduced to a handfull of musicians and a
shit load of programmers.
Im not a teacher by the way, i'm not good enough, but i do still play
my instrument every day between and during cubase sessions!!.
Peace to all here, we're all going for the same thing at the end of the
day!!
M
marcj
Is it really peer pressure that makes kids give up? I usually find
it's unwillingness to practice.
bit of both i think, tho its way cooler to be a musician these days.
If a boy danced when i was at school he'd be dead by play time, if a
boy sang he was gay and dead by play time and woe betide anyone who was
caught in the church choir with a DRESS on!!
yes it was homophobic, bigoted, racist, working class billy elliot
land. most of them faced life in a factory or out of work and are still
there.
I took the blows and got round the world playing piano, but i cant say
whos right or wrong
it's unwillingness to practice.
bit of both i think, tho its way cooler to be a musician these days.
If a boy danced when i was at school he'd be dead by play time, if a
boy sang he was gay and dead by play time and woe betide anyone who was
caught in the church choir with a DRESS on!!
yes it was homophobic, bigoted, racist, working class billy elliot
land. most of them faced life in a factory or out of work and are still
there.
I took the blows and got round the world playing piano, but i cant say
whos right or wrong
R
Robert Schulze Lutum
marcj said:Is it really peer pressure that makes kids give up? I usually find
it's unwillingness to practice.
bit of both i think, tho its way cooler to be a musician these days.
If a boy danced when i was at school he'd be dead by play time, if a
boy sang he was gay and dead by play time and woe betide anyone who was
caught in the church choir with a DRESS on!!
Still better than without a dress on ;-)
yes it was homophobic, bigoted, racist, working class billy elliot
land. most of them faced life in a factory or out of work and are still
there.
the record shows
I took the blows and got round the world playing piano, but i cant say
whos right or wrong
Same here. I never took any blows, though. I was just too bloody clever by
half and above playing in the school orchestra.
Nowadays I preach to any kid not blocking its (his/her) ears to play in the
school orchestra.
Alas, most of them are as stupid as I was in my day...
Not my son, though, he´s playing the clarinet in the school orchestra and
going on a tour to Workington in Jan. 2007.
He´s- a- so smart-a!
M
marcj
the record shows
Same here. I never took any blows, though.
I didnt mean physical blows, i'm not stupid, I did sport too, I did it
my way.
Not my son, though, he´s playing the clarinet in the school orchestra and
going on a tour to Workington in Jan. 2007.
Congratulations for you and him, I hope he has a great life travelling
and seeing the world in the name of music. Spread the word! musician
plays music.!!
I bet he's smart as a button computer wise aswell. What a great start
to life.
How proud are you???!!!!
I can spell discipline by the way!! Obviously not in capitals though.
M
marcj
the record shows
Same here. I never took any blows, though.
I didnt mean physical blows, i'm not stupid, I did sport too, I did it
my way.
Not my son, though, he´s playing the clarinet in the school orchestra and
going on a tour to Workington in Jan. 2007.
Congratulations for you and him, I hope he has a great life travelling
and seeing the world in the name of music. Spread the word! musician
plays music.!!
I bet he's smart as a button computer wise aswell. What a great start
to life.
How proud are you???!!!!
I can spell discipline by the way!! Obviously not in capitals though.
L
Laurence Payne
bit of both i think, tho its way cooler to be a musician these days.
If a boy danced when i was at school he'd be dead by play time, if a
boy sang he was gay and dead by play time and woe betide anyone who was
caught in the church choir with a DRESS on!!
yes it was homophobic, bigoted, racist, working class billy elliot
land. most of them faced life in a factory or out of work and are still
there.
I took the blows and got round the world playing piano, but i cant say
whos right or wrong
Blimey! Where did you go to school? The schools I attended in the
50s/60s weren't like that. Neither were the ones I taught at in the
70s/80s. And some were pretty rough.
CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect
M
marcj
Blimey! Where did you go to school? The schools I attended in the
50s/60s weren't like that. Neither were the ones I taught at in the
70s/80s. And some were pretty rough.
like i said, billy elliot land. there were some bitter, cruel kids.
Fair bit of un-employment, police no-go estates, there was a teenager
TONIGHT on the news punched a 10 month old baby in the face in the high
street. I live in Spain, and still heard about it!
didnt help that we lived in a private house on a street where every
other house had a pool( in the north east of england!!) or tennis
court, and a big fat BMW or Bently in the drive, that was sandwiched
between two fairly tough council estates, despite the fact that my
parents came from those council estates!! Ah, those were the days....
we used words like blimey! then too!!lol only in its biblical sense.
P
Porky
Laurence Payne said:Blimey! Where did you go to school? The schools I attended in the
50s/60s weren't like that. Neither were the ones I taught at in the
70s/80s. And some were pretty rough.
I went to school in the 50's/60's, and one of the reasons I originally
started playing music was because musicians were considered to be very cool!
Guys who played in a rock and roll band were invited to all the cool
parties, and it didn't matter what your social status was, if you played in
a band, virtually everyone was your friend. My high school was very
clic-ish, but musicians were welcome in any group. I actually think it's
considered less cool to be a musician now than it was back then.
R
Robert Schulze Lutum
the record shows
Same here. I never took any blows, though.
I didnt mean physical blows, i'm not stupid, I did sport too, I did it
my way.
I had assumed as much ;-)
Where is Billy Elliot Land?
I have a friend from Plymouth who lives in Torrevieja near Alicante
nowadays, along with a whole colony of british settlers.
They love to sing, so he earns money recording CDs for them which they then
give each other as birthday gifts
Where are you?
Not my son, though, he´s playing the clarinet in the school orchestra and
going on a tour to Workington in Jan. 2007.
Congratulations for you and him, I hope he has a great life travelling
and seeing the world in the name of music. Spread the word! musician
plays music.!!
I bet he's smart as a button computer wise aswell. What a great start
to life.
How proud are you???!!!!
Soso. It takes some coaxing (not to say blackmailing) to get him to
practice.
Q
QH
Thanks for all the responses. I have opted to use an old version of
Sibelius for this purpose as my machine is not happy at hosting Pro
Tools and Cubase simultaneously. I agree there are no quick fixes or
substitutes for practice, but I really dont see how playing along to a
slowed midi file fits into this category. Surely even a professional
guitarist doesnt play a difficult piece at full speed the first time he
is given it, and I would have thought it would be better to master
something slowly and then increase your speed, rather than playing
along at full tempo from the beginning and making loads of mistakes.
Even in the 1980s when I took music lessons, the teacher would record
pieces in parts via a tape recorder to assist my home practice.
Sibelius for this purpose as my machine is not happy at hosting Pro
Tools and Cubase simultaneously. I agree there are no quick fixes or
substitutes for practice, but I really dont see how playing along to a
slowed midi file fits into this category. Surely even a professional
guitarist doesnt play a difficult piece at full speed the first time he
is given it, and I would have thought it would be better to master
something slowly and then increase your speed, rather than playing
along at full tempo from the beginning and making loads of mistakes.
Even in the 1980s when I took music lessons, the teacher would record
pieces in parts via a tape recorder to assist my home practice.
M
marcj
Surely even a professional
I'm gonna get killed for this but i can't resist......maybe not a
guitarist........ !JOKE....just a JOKE. I know drummer ones aswell,
honest.
seriously, a properly trained one would be able to do it pretty damned
close first run thru. You should have heard my piano teacher sight
read, she was about 100, had tiny hands, and played all of my grade 8
pieces one after the other for me to choose which ones i wanted to
study. A drummer friend bought a Dave Wekel "minus one" cassette and
score while we were on the way to the studio one day, and did a damned
fine job first time round as soon as we arrived at the drum kit.
What do you think happens with bands on cruise ships etc. who get a
visiting cabaret on board one morning, they've never met before, might
not even speak the same language. They HAVE TO BE ABLE to sight read
this stuff to a decent level or they're out, whatever instrument they
play.
guitarist doesnt play a difficult piece at full speed the first time he
is given it,
I'm gonna get killed for this but i can't resist......maybe not a
guitarist........ !JOKE....just a JOKE. I know drummer ones aswell,
honest.
seriously, a properly trained one would be able to do it pretty damned
close first run thru. You should have heard my piano teacher sight
read, she was about 100, had tiny hands, and played all of my grade 8
pieces one after the other for me to choose which ones i wanted to
study. A drummer friend bought a Dave Wekel "minus one" cassette and
score while we were on the way to the studio one day, and did a damned
fine job first time round as soon as we arrived at the drum kit.
What do you think happens with bands on cruise ships etc. who get a
visiting cabaret on board one morning, they've never met before, might
not even speak the same language. They HAVE TO BE ABLE to sight read
this stuff to a decent level or they're out, whatever instrument they
play.
A
Afoklala
Op 2 Sep 2005 04:56:05 -0700 schreef QH:
Exactly. You first study something slowly (as slow as you need to do it
flawless!!!), then increase speed.
If you start off full speed, you'll introduce mistakes, that then 'sit in
the fingers' - in other words, you have trained your fingers to play the
tune with mistakes. You then have to UNtrain them again, so in the end it
takes you LONGER to learn a tune than when you started with playing it
slowly.
Standard practice method. I teach it to all my students. And so do all my
half decent colleagues.
--
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on hccnet point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)
And then there's this:
Teachers don't earn what they deserve; or they don't deserve what they
earn.
Thanks for all the responses. I have opted to use an old version of
Sibelius for this purpose as my machine is not happy at hosting Pro
Tools and Cubase simultaneously. I agree there are no quick fixes or
substitutes for practice, but I really dont see how playing along to a
slowed midi file fits into this category. Surely even a professional
guitarist doesnt play a difficult piece at full speed the first time he
is given it, and I would have thought it would be better to master
something slowly and then increase your speed, rather than playing
along at full tempo from the beginning and making loads of mistakes.
Even in the 1980s when I took music lessons, the teacher would record
pieces in parts via a tape recorder to assist my home practice.
Exactly. You first study something slowly (as slow as you need to do it
flawless!!!), then increase speed.
If you start off full speed, you'll introduce mistakes, that then 'sit in
the fingers' - in other words, you have trained your fingers to play the
tune with mistakes. You then have to UNtrain them again, so in the end it
takes you LONGER to learn a tune than when you started with playing it
slowly.
Standard practice method. I teach it to all my students. And so do all my
half decent colleagues.
--
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on hccnet point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)
And then there's this:
Teachers don't earn what they deserve; or they don't deserve what they
earn.
A
Afoklala
Op 2 Sep 2005 13:53:41 -0700 schreef marcj:
That's something else. The better musician you are, the higher the starting
speed with which you can begin to play a tune. And certainly, if you're a
professional teacher, you'll have no problem playing your student's tunes.
It would have surprised (and worried) me if your piano teacher had NOT been
able to do just that.
Same thing about the cruise ship band players: once you've mastered a
certain number of cabaret songs, you won't have much trouble with some
more. I certainly wouldn't. Now, sightreading a Xenakis piece or a Charlie
Parker transcribed solo, THAT would be feat...
--
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on hccnet point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)
And then there's this:
Teachers don't earn what they deserve; or they don't deserve what they
earn.
I'm gonna get killed for this but i can't resist......maybe not a
guitarist........ !JOKE....just a JOKE. I know drummer ones aswell,
honest.
seriously, a properly trained one would be able to do it pretty damned
close first run thru. You should have heard my piano teacher sight
read, she was about 100, had tiny hands, and played all of my grade 8
pieces one after the other for me to choose which ones i wanted to
study. A drummer friend bought a Dave Wekel "minus one" cassette and
score while we were on the way to the studio one day, and did a damned
fine job first time round as soon as we arrived at the drum kit.
What do you think happens with bands on cruise ships etc. who get a
visiting cabaret on board one morning, they've never met before, might
not even speak the same language. They HAVE TO BE ABLE to sight read
this stuff to a decent level or they're out, whatever instrument they
play.
That's something else. The better musician you are, the higher the starting
speed with which you can begin to play a tune. And certainly, if you're a
professional teacher, you'll have no problem playing your student's tunes.
It would have surprised (and worried) me if your piano teacher had NOT been
able to do just that.
Same thing about the cruise ship band players: once you've mastered a
certain number of cabaret songs, you won't have much trouble with some
more. I certainly wouldn't. Now, sightreading a Xenakis piece or a Charlie
Parker transcribed solo, THAT would be feat...
--
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on hccnet point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)
And then there's this:
Teachers don't earn what they deserve; or they don't deserve what they
earn.
B
BrettZell
Try to find a magic machine from Akai, called : U4
It allows you to sample, the loop any part of the sample, recude
drasticaly the speed WITHOUT changing the tune. Its a FANTASTIC
learning tool.
I play guitar since 40 years and had a few problems with easten europ
gypsy music wich is a hell to play.
Just try it !
It allows you to sample, the loop any part of the sample, recude
drasticaly the speed WITHOUT changing the tune. Its a FANTASTIC
learning tool.
I play guitar since 40 years and had a few problems with easten europ
gypsy music wich is a hell to play.
Just try it !
D
Dave W
Well, for scoring, your choices are: Sibelius, Finale and a new one called
Notion, if you want professional quality notation. If you just need basic
notation for editing, Sonar is not too bad.
Dave
Notion, if you want professional quality notation. If you just need basic
notation for editing, Sonar is not too bad.
Dave
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