What do u think of water cooling ?

[Steph]

Hi there !

I have a problem with my Barton 2500+
I bought it together with an A7V8X-X and I asked the reseller to install the
cpu+fan on the mobo, thinking they know better than me how to do it...
Well, using it with any software my system used to freeze randomly...
So, after some advice I got on this newsgroup, I checked the temperature...
Asus Probe reported high temp from 70C idle to >85C under load !!
I underclocked it at 1467 MHz (133*11) and now it does not crash anymore but
the temp is still between 64 to 70C under load
1) Is the cpu still in "danger" and should I underclock it to, say, 1100 MHz
(100*11) ?
2) I'm thinking of using water cooling to reduce the temp and the noise,
what do you think of it ?
3) I don't have any case fan, is it mandatory for such a cpu?
4) How can I check if the heatsink is well installed on the cpu?

Thanx in advance ;-)
Stef

 

[Andrew]

I have a problem with my Barton 2500+
Asus Probe reported high temp from 70C idle to >85C under load !!

That is very high, mine is around 40 at idle and 50 under load.

3) I don't have any case fan, is it mandatory for such a cpu?

I don't know about mandatory, but in your case would be a good thing
to look into. You should also state what the mobo and room
temperatures are.

 

[DaveW]

You need case fans with that setup!

 

[Blaedmon]

I presume youve used a good quality heatsink with some type of thermal
grease or something? Such a little thing makes a big difference in my
experience. As for case fans, its always a good idea to get airflow going in
there, especially with anything amd
You're not overclocking are you? You mobo is great for it, but relies on the
cpu to allow decent oc's - you could always try a 2500+xp-m (mobile) which
is built for laptops and being default voltage 1.4v - excellent for oc'ing
on your mobo.

 

[Roland Scheidegger]

Hi there !

I have a problem with my Barton 2500+ I bought it together with an
A7V8X-X and I asked the reseller to install the cpu+fan on the mobo,
thinking they know better than me how to do it... Well, using it with
any software my system used to freeze randomly... So, after some
advice I got on this newsgroup, I checked the temperature... Asus
Probe reported high temp from 70C idle to >85C under load !!

Looks definitely too high.

I underclocked it at 1467 MHz (133*11) and now it does not crash
anymore but the temp is still between 64 to 70C under load 1) Is
the cpu still in "danger" and should I underclock it to, say, 1100
MHz (100*11) ?

That temperature should be ok for the cpu, in fact silent setups usually
aim to achieve about such temperatures.

2) I'm thinking of using water cooling to reduce the temp and the
noise, what do you think of it ?

A bit overkill maybe? It should be possible to cool a (non-overclocked)
Barton 2500+ without too much noise with a decent and still cheap hsf.

3) I don't have any case fan, is it mandatory for such a cpu?

Depends on the case and what else you have installed - with a small
cramped case with other power-hungry devices (such as high-end
graphic cards, multiple harddisks) the answer is probably yes, otherwise
possibly no, you could use the case temperature as an indicator
(probably shouldn't exceed 40 degrees or so).

4) How can I check if the heatsink is well installed on the cpu?

I'd take it off and reinstall it. A good way to get way too hot
temperatures is if you forget the thermal interface material (either a
pad or paste) ;-).

Roland

 

[Darkfalz]

Hi there !

I have a problem with my Barton 2500+
I bought it together with an A7V8X-X and I asked the reseller to install the
cpu+fan on the mobo, thinking they know better than me how to do it...
Well, using it with any software my system used to freeze randomly...
So, after some advice I got on this newsgroup, I checked the temperature...
Asus Probe reported high temp from 70C idle to >85C under load !!
I underclocked it at 1467 MHz (133*11) and now it does not crash anymore but
the temp is still between 64 to 70C under load
1) Is the cpu still in "danger" and should I underclock it to, say, 1100 MHz
(100*11) ?
2) I'm thinking of using water cooling to reduce the temp and the noise,
what do you think of it ?
3) I don't have any case fan, is it mandatory for such a cpu?
4) How can I check if the heatsink is well installed on the cpu?

Intel users don't have to underclock their systems to keep from crashing.
You went AMD and payed the price.

 

[Derek Hawkins]

English is read downwards,
Nonsense! If you use Google often to search for things, as I do, you'll
begin to appreciate top posting. Typically, I end up ignoring long bottom
posts, just too much hassle to get at. Read the top post and move on to the
next. The thread history is irrelevant once you've read the first post.
Thank God for top posters. Bottom posting has very little practical merit,
its proponents are followers of outdated e-mail etiquette.

 

[BigBadger]

Intel users don't have to underclock their systems to keep from crashing.

You went AMD and payed the price.

Darkfalz..you're a moron

 

[Andrew]

Nonsense! If you use Google often to search for things, as I do, you'll
begin to appreciate top posting. Typically, I end up ignoring long bottom
posts, just too much hassle to get at. Read the top post and move on to the
next. The thread history is irrelevant once you've read the first post.
Thank God for top posters. Bottom posting has very little practical merit,
its proponents are followers of outdated e-mail etiquette.

Bottom posting without appropriate trimming is as bad if not worse
than top posting. I don't bother read messages where I have to scroll
down the page to read the first part of a resopnse.

 

[Sept1967]

Watercooling is an extreme reaction to heat. With a properly built system,
air cooling with quality components, is sufficient.

Some items just became "standard' to me, with hotter CPU's. Silver thermal
paste. A copper base/core cooler built correctly (MANY THIN fins/not larger
thick cheap fins). A CPU shim (just to keep the heavy cooler seated
correct).
Case fans (at least one intake). And Build the system inside, with airflow
in mind. Keep data cables and power cables
out of the way. Allowing airflow to actually reach the CPU / Video card.

You can buy better made case fans (Vantec Stealth and the likes that dont
cost any more then generic) that dont sound like a Harrier Jump Jet. And
better made dual fan power supplies are preferred.

And the trurth is, AMD systems do need more air flow. So more sound, but it
is always managable. My AMD XP 2400+ doesnt hurt my head listening to it,
and it's in an mATX case. But only tops out at 109f under full load.
(Enermax 365w quiet dual fan PS - 2 Vantec Stealth case fans - solid copper
Thermalright CPU heatsink - copper CPU shim).

 

[Darkfalz]

Darkfalz..you're a moron

Nope. I have a friend with the same problem. When the weather gets hot, he
actually has to reboot his system and underclock it or it locks up every few
minutes. That's a poorly designed CPU with an equally poorly designed
cooling unit.

No such problems for any of my Intel processors. Buying AMD is a mistake.

 

[Leythos]

Nope. I have a friend with the same problem. When the weather gets hot, he
actually has to reboot his system and underclock it or it locks up every few
minutes. That's a poorly designed CPU with an equally poorly designed
cooling unit.

No such problems for any of my Intel processors. Buying AMD is a mistake.

Any CPU, if not properly managed with a good heat sink will have random
faults if not fail entirely.

The OP needs to check the spec's for the CPU, install the required
cooling system and then adjust the case cooling to provide an adequate
air-flow for the CPU cooler to do it's job.

In many cases, a small or mid tower design is just not enough room for
proper airflow. A typical case should have a CPU FAN, a power supply
fan, and a front and rear case fan.

While AMD CPU's do "seem" more subject to heat related problems, a
properly installed Heat Sink and proper airflow should be enough in
almost every instance.

Now, if you are running them in a room that is 90+ degrees "F", then you
may have problems. Over-clocking is also a significant factor in
excessive heat.

 

[BigBadger]

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Nope. I have a friend with the same problem. When the weather gets hot, he
actually has to reboot his system and underclock it or it locks up every few
minutes. That's a poorly designed CPU with an equally poorly designed
cooling unit.

No such problems for any of my Intel processors. Buying AMD is a mistake.

The guy was looking for some advice to solve a cooling problem... not some
ill founded anti AMD rant.

Tell me...do you actually own a current AMD system???? or is your entire
knowledge of the subject based on the 'friend' of yours???

There are thousands of people running AMD CPU's without any heat problem
....just because your 'friend' and the guy starting this thread have problems
does not make the AMD CPU a bad design. A poorly built Intel system is just
as likely to run hot as an AMD, though admittedly the PIV does have better
thermal management which means the CPU is less likely to become unstable.

I build and run both AMD and Intel systems and I can say with absolute
certainty that as long as they are properly built with decent components
neither have any cooling problems whatsoever.

 

[Sept1967]

OH please...
Your friend has a poorly designed and built, case, plus a cheap
heatsink/cooler.

If your support systems are crap, your PC is going to run like crap. The CPU
has nothing to do with it.

 

[Tim Draper]

tried removing the sidepanel to get rid of some heat (temporary test
measure)?

remove HSF, clean off HS paste (i bet they used the HSF thermal pad) - Artic
silver3/5 is some of the best around. you aim for a thin layer of paste -
dont slap it on as it's conductive, and your only aiming to fill in the
pores/grooves of the metal surfaces. also, you`ll notice the HSF will have a
step on 1 side of the HS. this goes over where it says 'socket 462'. (HS
step at the top of the board on the a7n8x's)

why watercool? i`m running watercooling, and you need to spend around £200
UKP for a 'proper' kit.

case fans are more of less essential in newer PC's. both to cool the cpu,
but also the GPU.

tim